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videos with subject matter more suited to d&d than everything else. to be discussed and / or debated, with offshot threads if discussion on a particular video or subject warrants it.

OG_slinger wrote:
jdzappa wrote:

But in this case sounds like the driver was the hero and the protester who was completely OOC.

Or the driver had been drinking for hours--at a nearby bar and in his parked truck--had picked fights with people earlier in the evening, hurled racial slurs, and threatened people with a hatchet before getting beat down.

Considering the OregonLive article quotes The Daily Caller as well as a guy who runs a YouTube "news" channel called "Lives Matter" (as in All Lives Matter), who knows what really happened. I just know I'm not going to 100% trust the "Lives Matter" guy--the source of the video--because he clearly has an agenda to paint BLM--who he repeatedly refers on social media as "twisted," "militants," "racists," "thugs," and worse--in the most negative light.

What I’ve heard locally matches the drunk hatchet narrative but I don’t know anyone who personally witnessed it. Some people on r/Portland pointed out that several of the attackers on video were agitators involved in the armed takeover of Riot Ribs* so they were probably looking for a fight anyway.

*Riot Ribs was a free, donation only, adhoc food service set up at the protests downtown In July. They dissolved because a group of people who had been volunteering as cooks took over the operation and tried to force the original founders out at gunpoint after getting caught stealing donations.

There’s also been an increasing number of attacks from right-wingers coming to the protests to pick fights, though, including this weekend when some Patriot Prayer stooges fired live rounds at protestors from a moving car (they wildly missed anyone, thankfully).

Yeah, part of the problem with telling any accurate story about Portland is that there are actual Nazis coming into the city DAILY to harass people. I have a friend whose trans partner was beat up by some of these psychopaths. They just drive around in trucks looking for people to assault.

So when I see a story like this I always pause and wonder if this was a situation where moments earlier the driver was trying to kill someone, because it happens way more often here than you might think.

Sad I missed this but I’m lucky enough to still have a regular job: Protestors playing “The Guillotine” by The Coup outside the Multnomah Co. Office building.

Just wanted to give a quick thank you for the Portland updates. I boosted the comments from BLM leaders on my social media feeds and pointed out the pipe bomb incident which obviously isn’t getting play in conservative media.

As much as people need constant reminders as to how the 2016 election went down, I hope this isn't merely another stage in trying to make Comey out to be some kind of American hero.

Guy Made Fox News Into An '80s Power-Pop Song, And It's A Real Earworm

Can we refrain from posting video of people getting beaten, attacked, or brutalized, please? Click-through warnings aside, it creeps a little too close to revenge fantasy or torture porn territory for my comfort.

Discussion and education around gross abuses of power and injustice is important. Vilifying monsters and spotlighting their terror is an important act, as well. Sharing video of people getting their asses beat doesn't really support the discussion so much as it's just kinda fuel for bloodlust/vengeance/etc?

NSFW

I know it should not be shocking, and it isn't. But it is still stunning to watch this.

Nominee for least f*cks given:

Beautiful

There is actually a longer version, where she signs off by saying, "Not what I asked. I thought I had a 21st century man who might have had something to say about what kind of people we choose to represent us."

Thought Slime has started a new video series exploring American hate groups, starting with the obvious:

Video's not posted to Youtube yet and I can't figure out how to embed vids from CNN (if it's even possible) so here's the link:

Chris Cuomo: Why are you surprised Lindsey Graham would eat his words?

Jaime Harrison's campaign should make sure this video, or something similar, gets played every day from now until the election.

Because pointing rampant hypocrisy has worked so well in the past?

Mixolyde wrote:

Because pointing rampant hypocrisy has worked so well in the past?

it's not going to change is behavior, or the support of the hardcore racist 30%, but it might sithome the the casual Rs who think integrity is important, and mobilize the casual non-voters who feel uncomfortable with quiet part loud politics.

thrawn82 wrote:
Mixolyde wrote:

Because pointing rampant hypocrisy has worked so well in the past?

it's not going to change is behavior, or the support of the hardcore racist 30%, but it might sithome the the casual Rs who think integrity is important, and mobilize the casual non-voters who feel uncomfortable with quiet part loud politics.

From the latest poll of likely voters (Quinnipiac, last week), the SC Senate race is basically a dead heat.

Right now, even influencing a very small number of people could have a really big impact.

Well I sit corrected. Go to town!

That poll is great news, but the 538 average (while inching away from Graham) still has that toad at 80% of re-election.

Vote him out!

Badferret wrote:

Vote him out!

I'm just shocked he had a mask on.

He later claimed not to have heard the boos, and that they weren't very loud.

Ordinarily I'd post these thoughts upstairs in one of the TV threads in Everything Else, but a wiser man than me would immediately say we're on the train to Cleveland, so here we go:

Showtime's The Comey Rule: Night One

Me, a month ago wrote:

As much as people need constant reminders as to how the 2016 election went down, I hope this isn't merely another stage in trying to make Comey out to be some kind of American hero.

And after the first night, I don't think it does and while this is a work of historical fiction, some pieces expressed in the first episode jump at me. First, men can't understand how women really felt about Hillary Clinton's candidacy or loss in the election, which was primarily expressed in the interaction of the Comey family, coming to a head on election night. Second, how men and some women actively rooted for Hillary Clinton's defeat, to the point where men such as Comey's oncologist and a random stranger at the voting booth were cheering him on for the FBI's investigations. Third, just how the establishment handled concurrent investigations into both Clinton and Trump. Comey seemed more concerned about the integrity about the FBI just as Obama in the all of two minutes he appeared in 2016 seemed concerned about the integrity of the vote despite both being warned by the intelligence community of a Russian operation to win Trump the presidency. Finally, and I hope I'm tying this all together, just how no man and how few in law enforcement (99% men based on how the show presented it) took a Trump presidency serious enough until it was suddenly dropped on their laps.

It's what's led this country to become what it is, four years later. At least so far in the first episode.

Any way to get this without a cable subscription?

“Not from the Jedi.”

Well, I mean, you can get it without cable, but you can't get it without a subscription. Showtime is an addon for all the streaming services that have addons. I think it even has a standalone subscription.

Showtime's The Comey Rule: Night Two

Really not much more to say on this since the entire two hours of the episode covers events we all saw or read about in great detail as they happened. Brendan Gleeson looks like the spitting image of Donald Trump, particularly in profile. I do wonder how long it took for him to get his make-up applied each day, especially if it takes the actual Trump 3.5 hours to get made-up to look like Trump. One thing I forgot to mention when speaking of the first episode is that each of the major players get a caption identifying them and their title when they first appears, like something out of a World War II movie like The Longest Day or Tora, Tora, Tora. The final text that spoke of Trump's lack of acknowledgement of Russian interference in 2016 or in 2020 felt kind of tepid, but that's probably due to the show being produced before everything else in 2020 happened.

It’s a long one, but it gets into Q anon and the propensity for conspiracy theories in general.

Zona wrote:

It’s a long one, but it gets into Q anon and the propensity for conspiracy theories in general.

Thanks for that. The first ten minutes where he sets up his cameras on the lake then shows the pan down to demonstrate the curvature is a must see. Watching the trees shrink behind the waves is breathtaking.

I'll have to come back later for the deep dive into the conspiracy nuts.