[News] The Internet Was a Mistake

A thread for updates on the various ways the internet is destroying everything and the undying hellsites of social media. Let's all laugh at the abyss.

What a bunch of jackasses.

ruhk wrote:

This week that site vanished. Watkins unpublished it. No public statement has been made, but presumably he didn’t like being openly linked to it.

I'm assuming you guys saw this?

QAnon Key Figure Revealed as Financial Information Security Analyst from New Jersey

Edit: Found the Bloomberg story that specifically mentions the site going dark.

The fact-checking site Logically.ai identified Jason Gelinas of New Jersey on Sept. 10 as the “developer and mouthpiece” for the site. New Jersey state records connect QAppAnon to Gelinas’s home address, Bloomberg found.

Reached outside his home, Gelinas declined to comment on the Logically report, saying only that someone had sent it to him on Twitter after it was published.

“I’m not going to comment on any of that,” Gelinas said when asked if he was behind the website Qmap. “I’m not going to get involved. I want to stay out of it.”

Wearing an American flag baseball cap, Gelinas said that QAnon is a “patriotic movement to save the country.”

Hours after the initial contact from Bloomberg News, the website was no longer accessible.

Definitely him, then.

Prederick wrote:

Definitely him, then.

It would be really f*cking funny if, after working themselves into a crazy frenzy, it turned out they had distinct evidence that "Q" was just some random dipshit.

I was just coming to post that.

Unfortunately none of this will likely move the needle for any Q adherents but it’s still fun. I’m 100% certain that QAnon will survive the end of the Trump Administration practically unscathed.

It won't matter, QAnon is as culty as cults can get.

I do enjoy him immediately turtling, like the cowards these dudes always are.

ruhk wrote:

I was just coming to post that.

Unfortunately none of this will likely move the needle for any Q adherents but it’s still fun. I’m 100% certain that QAnon will survive the end of the Trump Administration practically unscathed.

But that’s the thing right? It’s the SAME OLD tropes dressed up in modern language to convince the gullible. It seems the difference now is that things like Facebook let those groups connect and grow and flourish in ways they could not before because there was too much effort/expense. Now it’s cheap and easy to find like minded individuals who share a common gullibility and love for snake oil.

The only possible bad outcome for Q is to have multiple grifters all claiming to be the original famous Q. Kinda like Original Rays pizza.

What is unfortunate and scary about QAnon is how much it's metastisized into the mainstream. By which I mean, it's not that you'll hear everyone repeating chapter and verse Q drops, but as the hysteria over Wayfair shipping children in cabinets and now, the French film "Cuties" on Netflix has ramped up, I've seen plenty of people who I would not describe as Q acolytes repeating stuff that's basically Pizzagate/QAnon lite.

Prederick wrote:

What is unfortunate and scary about QAnon is how much it's metastisized into the mainstream. By which I mean, it's not that you'll hear everyone repeating chapter and verse Q drops, but as the hysteria over Wayfair shipping children in cabinets and now, the French film "Cuties" on Netflix has ramped up, I've seen plenty of people who I would not describe as Q acolytes repeating stuff that's basically Pizzagate/QAnon lite.

Heck, there was one person on this very site saying that the people who watched it should be investigated by the FBI.

ClockworkHouse wrote:
Prederick wrote:

What is unfortunate and scary about QAnon is how much it's metastisized into the mainstream. By which I mean, it's not that you'll hear everyone repeating chapter and verse Q drops, but as the hysteria over Wayfair shipping children in cabinets and now, the French film "Cuties" on Netflix has ramped up, I've seen plenty of people who I would not describe as Q acolytes repeating stuff that's basically Pizzagate/QAnon lite.

Heck, there was one person on this very site saying that the people who watched it should be investigated by the FBI.

Which is f*cking hilarious given said person's political leanings.

God, the "D&D is Satanism" conspiracy theory would have been terrifying in the 2020s.

(As far as I'm concerned, the only bad thing about Jack Chick passing away was that it didn't happen sooner. That guy messed up a lot of kids' lives for personal profit.)

Malor wrote:

God, the "D&D is Satanism" conspiracy theory would have been terrifying in the 2020s.

(As far as I'm concerned, the only bad thing about Jack Chick passing away was that it didn't happen sooner. That guy messed up a lot of kids' lives for personal profit.)

OMG yes. That and this jerk: Mike Warnke: The Satan Seller And lo and behold it was all BS. Who'd a thunk it.

This shit was all the rage in my school in the 80s.

Malor wrote:

God, the "D&D is Satanism" conspiracy theory would have been terrifying in the 2020s.

It would absolutely be called grooming for sexual predators.

Highlander wrote:
Malor wrote:

God, the "D&D is Satanism" conspiracy theory would have been terrifying in the 2020s.

(As far as I'm concerned, the only bad thing about Jack Chick passing away was that it didn't happen sooner. That guy messed up a lot of kids' lives for personal profit.)

OMG yes. That and this jerk: Mike Warnke: The Satan Seller And lo and behold it was all BS. Who'd a thunk it.

This shit was all the rage in my school in the 80s.

Fortunately, my local D&D group all had parents that listened to us. They treated us like actual people, it was kind of amazing.

But, man, we collected plenty of death stares from other parents. It would be so much worse today.

Magic The Gathering was TEH SATANISM in my high school. We just called D&D a different name.

Had a guy telling me about Reset 2020, and how I needed to download the app from the Reset 2020 website. Apparently they are resetting the entire world economy. There is info at a UN web page that explains this.

I asked him directly if it was QAnon crap. He said no, but he just looked embarrassed. This is a long time member, and one of the ones I would have assumed were "normal" with. Ruined my day at the park. Guy wouldn't go away.

On top of that, he was warning everyone about the black guy in the parking lot and defending the McCloskeys. So he went from normal, to every talking point. When he said to me, "You know that one that stole Lacy's seat was the one leading them," like I was supposed to realize the error of my ways.

I just said, "I know. I voted for her. Her name is Cori Bush, and I'm glad we have a progressive voice going to DC and not some QAnon crackpot."

So I left, and stopped by the car and let the guy know QAnon guy was in their telling everyone to watch him. Not sure if that was right, but it felt like I should give him a heads up, even if I was really of no help. I was just another white dude reminding him that white dudes suck.

All I wanted to do was play fetch with my pup, and it turns into this crap.

"They're resetting the world economy in 2020"

"Yeah? Go ahead and give me all your savings, then. It's no use to you now anyway."

Again, not good. If 1 in 5 Americans believe in this stuff, that's 20% of the populace, and while that might seem small, a motivated 20% of a populace can do a lot of damage.

Prederick wrote:

a motivated 20% of a populace can do a lot of damage.

See: Trump voters

The Reset thing is related to NESARA, which started out as a civilian economic policy proposal back in the 90’s but quickly turned into a conspiracy theory after getting co-opted by a new age cult. Quite a few Q adherents believe in it but it’s not fully part of the Q canon (yet).

Maybe we’ve hit on the answer to the Fermi paradox: as technology advances, civilizations are destined to be destroyed through the proliferation of ever more dumbass, immensely harmful conspiracy theories.

Social media disinformation on US west coast blazes ‘spreading faster than fire'

Thursday’s highway standoff highlights the real life consequences of the wave of disinformation on social media about the cause of wildfires raging across the Pacific north-west. Many of the rumors baselessly claim that the fires were lit by political activists, either by the far-right group the Proud Boys or the leftist activists known as antifa.

Although there have been arrests for alleged arson amid the fires, authorities have vehemently denied political motivations. The majority of fires across Oregon and the west appear to have been sparked by power lines and other ignitions, and have exploded amid dry, hot and windy weather conditions in a landscape primed for fire because of drought.

Officials in Oregon have turned to Facebook to knock down the competing narratives, and the FBI has said it has investigated several claims and found them to be untrue. But the rumors have found fertile ground in a state already divided after months of protests. They are complicating the emergency response, including by motivating armed patrols in towns gripped by rumors of antifa arson attacks, and inspiring vigilante acts like the incident with Howard.

On the source of his assailants’ behavior, Howard said, “it has to be Facebook”, noting that in his own monitoring of Estacada Facebook groups during his reporting in the area, he had noticed the same rumors of antifa looters and arsonists that are still firehosing through similar pages throughout the west.

Posts made this week inside an Oregon-based private Facebook groups, and viewed by the Guardian, are indicative of the way that these rumors are forming a nexus between local communities, sometimes-violent protest groups, and even elected officials in rural areas.

On Wednesday evening, in Curry News and Views, a private Facebook group associated with far south-western Curry county, two GOP-aligned elected officials appeared to promote disinformation.

Christopher Paasch, a Curry county commissioner, had previously spread a viral meme that baselessly claimed that seven antifa activists had been arrested for arson in Medford, and in a post to the group, a local Facebook user accused him of spreading an “unsubstantiated rumor”.

In comments on the post, Paasch first falsely denied that his original post “said they were antifa”, and then added a further post discussing an unrelated fire in Gold Beach, with the comment, “You think no one is lighting fires and trying to burn down towns and hurt people, wake up.”

Later, Oregon state representative David Brock Smith weighed in to defend Paasch, and the post, writing, “there are individuals out there hellbent on destruction. I’m not saying they’re associated with any group, but more information is coming to light by the hour.”

Paasch did not immediately respond to questions about who they thought was deliberately lighting fires, and for what purpose.

Smith responded to questions in an email, writing: “I was very clear in my comments; on a post from an individual who constantly vilifies individuals that do not agree with her, and stated multiple times that I am not associating arson activities to any group”, attaching screenshots and links to a series of unrelated arsons, or suspected arsons, in disparate areas of the state.

There were more concentrated streams of disinformation inside the private group for COPS NW, an organizing network that has recently promoted a series of pro-Trump, pro-police and anti-Black Lives Matter demonstrations around north-west Oregon that have at times culminated in violent confrontations with Black Lives Matter protesters.

In past days, COPS NW has featured intense discussions on a series of false stories and rumors about antifa arsonists, including baseless claims that an activist had been arrested for lighting fires near Salem and another had been rammed while lighting fires in now-evacuated Beavercreek. The group also discussed a viral post that falsely claimed that the fires were a “coordinated and planned attack” and that an arsonist had been shot and killed by a property owner near Damascus.

The leader of COPS NW, Audra Price, has consistently said in public to have peaceful aims, but suggested after days in which such material had been circulating virtually unchallenged in the group that perhaps violence was necessary. “Maybe allowing Antifa to terrorize our cities for as long as they did, was the wrong choice for us to make. I sure hope our passivity didn’t contribute to what’s going on now. I won’t lie. I’m very torn about whether or not, my encouraging people to remain peaceful, was the right choice,” Price wrote.

On Friday, Price posted a message she said came from “an LEO in Clackamas”, using an abbreviation for law enforcement officers. The post pleaded with the group to stop circulating false information about the fires and echoed other pleas from first responders aimed at staunching the flow of false information.

“The false info spreading faster than the fire is hindering our efforts,” the message said. “NO Antifa have been arrested for arson in our area. This false info is making our jobs more difficult by having to check fictitious problems and deal with neighborhood militias that mean well, but are interfering with our efforts.”

Price prefaced the relayed text with a disclaimer: “I am just as confused by his message as all of you are and I told the officer that. I explained that I have a few people who I trust make the claim that CCSO and other LE told them it is antifa.”

Most commenters in the group flatly rejected the idea that they were believing and were spreading false information. One user said of alleged antifa arsonists, “So unless it’s tattooed on their forehead it’s not true? I’ll judge for myself thank you.” Another remarked, “This is disappointing, especially when we know better. I feel like someone is running a large scale cover up from the top.”

In response to questions about disinformation in her group, and her apparent call for violence, Price wrote in a Facebook message, “I have no comment to you. You twist things and you lie. Why in the world, would I give you any answers?”

Prederick wrote:

What is unfortunate and scary about QAnon is how much it's metastisized into the mainstream. By which I mean, it's not that you'll hear everyone repeating chapter and verse Q drops, but as the hysteria over Wayfair shipping children in cabinets and now, the French film "Cuties" on Netflix has ramped up, I've seen plenty of people who I would not describe as Q acolytes repeating stuff that's basically Pizzagate/QAnon lite.

Republicans are going all-in on "Cuties" now, of course. Don Jr.'s accusing Democrats of "normalizing" pedophilia and making it mainstream thought.

One of the things that they talk about in that article is that, it's hard to figure out a way to make a country work where your two political sides don't only sharply disagree, but exist in entirely separate realities.

Why doesn't someone just ask those conspiracy nutters to provide some names of antifa individuals who have been detained, arrested, and/or killed by homeowners?

They could prove their case in an instant if they just provided names.

How many excuses, I wonder, could they come up with for not providing names? Arrest records are public information. Coroner's reports are public records.

I mean, they certainly can come up with some "names" and "pictures" that prove it, and of course they won't show up in public records. The Deep State is suppressing the information. It's all one big coverup, and that's why you can only trust Patriots Truth Gazette on Facebook.

But seriously, RE: "Cuties," it was always just a matter of time before R's went either Full Q or Q-adjacent, and we seem to be there in record time.

God, f*ck Zuckerberg, seriously.

Hundessa was assassinated on June 29 while driving through the capital Addis Ababa. The man police charged with Hundessa’s killing told prosecutors that he was working as an assassin for the Oromo Liberation Front, an armed nationalist group linked to numerous violent attacks — and who told the shooter that Oromia would benefit from the death of one of its most famous singers.

Hundessa’s death at age 34 set off a wave of violence in the capital and his home region of Oromia. Hundreds of people were killed, with minorities like Christian Amharas, Christian Oromos, and Gurage people suffering the biggest losses.

This bloodshed was supercharged by the almost-instant and widespread sharing of hate speech and incitement to violence on Facebook, which whipped up people’s anger. Mobs destroyed and burned property. They lynched, beheaded, and dismembered their victims.

The calls for violence against a variety of ethnic and religious groups happened despite the government shutting down the internet within hours of Hundessa’s murder. Soon, the same people who’d been calling for genocide and attacks against specific religous or ethnic groups were openly posting photographs of burned-out cars, buildings, schools and houses, the Network Against Hate Speech, a volunteer group tracking hate speech in Ethiopia, told VICE News.

These attacks reflect the volatile nature of ethnic politics in Ethiopia. Abiy’s rise to power in 2018 led to a brief period of hope that Ethiopia could be unified under the first Oromo to lead the country. But that quickly evaporated, and the country has since been wracked by violence, coinciding with a rapid increase in access to the internet, where Facebook dominates. And rather than helping to unify the country, Facebook has simply amplified existing tensions on a massive scale.

“When the violence erupts offline, online content that calls for ethnic attacks, discrimination, and destruction of property goes viral,” Berhan Taye, Africa policy lead at digital rights group Access Now, told VICE News. “Facebook's inaction helps propagate hate and polarization in a country and has a devastating impact on the narrative and extent of the violence.”

And it’s not as if Facebook hasn’t been warned. In October 2019, a viral Facebook post led to the deaths of over 80 people, and in May, the U.N. published a report highlighting the dangers of hate speech on its platform.

Posted here, in part, because first and most importantly, f*ck Facebook, but secondly, if you can't see how "Democrats are literally baby-eating pedophiles," an opinion it is not hard to find on FB in the U.S., could lead to similar outcomes, I dunno what to tell you.

Facebook and YouTube genuinely have done irreperable damage to society. Like, around the world.

Facebook Refused to Take Down a Live-Streamed Suicide. Now It's All Over TikTok

A video of a Mississippi man taking his own life — which was originally live-streamed on Facebook — has gone viral on TikTok with children as young as 13 being exposed to the shocking footage.

TikTok has said it is proactively working to block the spread of the footage and ban those who upload it, but users are finding workarounds to continue to share the video.

The footage was originally broadcast on Facebook Live on August 31, when Ronnie McNutt, 33, an Army veteran, took his own life. Facebook initially refused to remove the video, saying it did not breach the company’s own Community Standards.

McNutt, who served in Iraq, and was suffering from PTSD and had recent relationship troubles, according to his friend Josh Steen.

Steen, who recorded a podcast with McNutt, told Heavy that someone contacted him on the evening of August 31 to say his friend had begun a live stream and had accidentally fired a gun.

Steen tuned in and saw that McNutt was drunk and rambling. He immediately flagged the live stream to Facebook while McNutt was still alive, but received no reply. Steen also contacted the police, who watched the live stream while standing outside McNutt’s apartment.

McNutt died by suicide at 10.30 pm, but it wasn’t until 11.51 pm that Steen received a response from Facebook, saying the video did not breach the company’s Community Standards and would not be removed, according to a screenshot Steen shared with Heavy.

Facebook told VICE News it removed the video “shortly” after it was posted, but would not comment on why it initially said the video did not breach its Community Standards.

Steen said it wasn’t until after 1 am that the video was finally removed from the platform, but by that point, it was too late.

Anyway, Charlie Warzel has it right. FB can't be reformed.

Prederick wrote:

I mean, they certainly can come up with some "names" and "pictures" that prove it, and of course they won't show up in public records. The Deep State is suppressing the information. It's all one big coverup, and that's why you can only trust Patriots Truth Gazette on Facebook.

I guess what I'm suggesting is that these groups be regularly challenged on their turf. Of course they'll come up with nonsensical responses, but my hope is with steady, calm insistence on facts, maybe some people will recognize that they're being lied to.

I don't see this happening right now. I don't see anyone confronting the information in front of the group. I hear anecdotes all the time about individuals butting heads with their friends and family, but is anyone taking on the group as a whole? Is anyone challenging their narrative directly in front of them?

How would that even happen, Ken?

Breitbart isn't going to front-page a sensible critique of QAnon. Fox News isn't going to say "you know what guys, actually we've been wrong".

The solution to a self-isolating, fact-proof echo chamber that you're proposing is to pour facts into that echo chamber?