Left 4 Dead 2 Catch All

I paid full price for and gave a decent chance to Aliens Colonial Marines simply because it allows you to play as the non-humans. L4D coop is quaint, but you’re missing the real thrill of the game.

Nowadays, is 1 or 2 considered the better game? I’m tempted to jump back in.

Chad

Yea next I am going to try Killing Floor 2 next for the first time. I avoided it originally because I took it for a L4D knock off and was happy with L4D.

I do agree that both Co-Op and Versus were a lot of fun. I think I preferred Co-Op more because when we ran 8 for Versus there was a lot of blame game. Playing as the infected was definitely a whole side of the game missed through the campaign though.

chooka1 wrote:

Nowadays, is 1 or 2 considered the better game? I’m tempted to jump back in.

Chad

I show in my videos L4D 2 includes L4D 1 maps. So buy L4D2 (if you don't have it) and you get both for the most part. L4D1 had fewer special infected and no cooldown on knockback, but I would get L4D2 so you get all the maps and characters.

It goes on super sale every Steam event, but is also many hours of enjoyment.

To be honest, I always preferred coop to vs. Vs is still a ton of fun, but I felt the heart of the game was overwhelming odds. I remember for about six months, McChuck, Bill_Lewis, Switchbreak, and I would have almost a standing appointment on Friday nights to play L4D. We tackled a few Expert maps, but never without a loss or two. I remember the gulf between Expert and Advanced being huge. We could breeze through No Mercy Advanced and then wipe on the first map on Expert.

Coop was where it was at. I felt I let the infected side down every time I tried Vs.

GoldenDog wrote:
chooka1 wrote:

Nowadays, is 1 or 2 considered the better game? I’m tempted to jump back in.

Chad

I show in my videos L4D 2 includes L4D 1 maps. So buy L4D2 (if you don't have it) and you get both for the most part. L4D1 had fewer special infected and no cooldown on knockback, but I would get L4D2 so you get all the maps and characters.

It goes on super sale every Steam event, but is also many hours of enjoyment.

Thank you. Will buy!

Anybody want to play some co-op on Friday? Quarantine is leaving me a desire to kill some zomies.

This thread inspired me to put L4D into the Xbox for a little nostalgia last night. The AI director is still phenomenal at knowing when to throw those hordes at you; it's still such a solid game. Still have enough memory that I was able to make it through all the buildings and the sewer in No Mercy.

Solo mode? Or can you play with/against others still too?

Keithustus wrote:

Solo mode? Or can you play with/against others still too?

Solo, don't want to bother with even trying to play competitive, as anybody who's playing at this point is probably insanely good. I just want to run through the campaigns for the hell of it.

I'll just leave this here...

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

anybody who's playing at this point is probably insanely good.

I wish. No, don’t worry about it. There are percentile-wise as many newb goobers who need to be carried now as ever before.

Gumbie wrote:

I'll just leave this here...

Interesting. The real disincentive to playing any of the scavenge maps was lack of tanks. Competitive could have been very fun there but they dropped the ball and made playing it pretty lackluster. Maybe they’ll finally resolve that with this update.

So after all this talk, has anyone managed to schedule a game of this yet?

My wife and I randomly play couch co op on our Xbox. The port to Xbox One seemed to work ok. We are awful, but still have fun.

Keithustus wrote:

I wish. No, don’t worry about it. There are percentile-wise as many newb goobers who need to be carried now as ever before.

Wow, you're really making a case for showcasing the welcoming attitude of the L4D community there...

So after all this talk, has anyone managed to schedule a game of this yet?

I got a game on with some local friends, my first in 3 or 4 years! Family considerations make regular games tough for them though.

imbiginjapan wrote:
Keithustus wrote:

I wish. No, don’t worry about it. There are percentile-wise as many newb goobers who need to be carried now as ever before.

Wow, you're really making a case for showcasing the welcoming attitude of the L4D community there...

Really, as well as showcasing the exact type of community I don’t want to have any kind involvement with.

My daughters and I have been playing this roughly once or twice a week for the past several months. I’ve also got a buddy who jumps in from time to time, but other than that I don’t do multiplayer. Works pretty good because there are three of them, and with me that makes a full coop game. When one of them is busy my buddy usually jumps in. I’ve tried public games, but no one ever seems to want to work together. The only fun I’ve ever had playing with people I don’t know personally is with the GwJ crew back when they were doing regular games every week.

imbiginjapan wrote:

Wow, you're really making a case for showcasing the welcoming attitude of the L4D community there...

Being welcomed nicely is dependent on new players’ attitude, at least in versus. I can’t speak to coop since I haven’t played it in pretty much forever. If someone is willing to learn the game and listen to the vets, great, mistakes are fine. On the other hand there are a lot of people with no patience or sense of timing who play L4D as if it’s COD or something and inevitably lead to team failure. GWJ nights are great since everyone is mature enough to learn the game. Joining public matches on the other hand means mostly carrying teammates.

The game evolves two levels up as experienced players join: with all vets and no randoms, it’s quite a tense affair, with winners determined by who can better strategize, communicate, and pull off great plays when biled, charging off ledges, and in tank play. (Witches are mostly irrelevant.) Above that, with known teams, it’s normally a very close affair with little determining the outcome except tank play and finale strategy. In this, L4D is very easy to compare to both American football and international football/soccer. There are lots of pick-up, neighborhood, casual games, but also organized high school and college and low-tier pro games, and finally elite-tier, pro league, and Olympic/World Cup play. Learning the game well enough to move between those categories takes deliberate study and experience.

There was a period about a decade ago where there were some competitiveness within GWJ and this game (just go back around 250 pages), but most games with GWJ isn't about winning and being carried. it is about having fun, laughing with each other when we do make those mistakes. It is why we ran the mod that let you talk to the person you had pounced on, or boomed.

Keithustus wrote:
imbiginjapan wrote:

Wow, you're really making a case for showcasing the welcoming attitude of the L4D community there...

Being welcomed nicely is dependent on new players’ attitude, at least in versus. I can’t speak to coop since I haven’t played it in pretty much forever. If someone is willing to learn the game and listen to the vets, great, mistakes are fine. On the other hand there are a lot of people with no patience or sense of timing who play L4D as if it’s COD or something and inevitably lead to team failure. GWJ nights are great since everyone is mature enough to learn the game. Joining public matches on the other hand means mostly carrying teammates.

The game evolves two levels up as experienced players join: with all vets and no randoms, it’s quite a tense affair, with winners determined by who can better strategize, communicate, and pull off great plays when biled, charging off ledges, and in tank play. (Witches are mostly irrelevant.) Above that, with known teams, it’s normally a very close affair with little determining the outcome except tank play and finale strategy. In this, L4D is very easy to compare to both American football and international football/soccer. There are lots of pick-up, neighborhood, casual games, but also organized high school and college and low-tier pro games, and finally elite-tier, pro league, and Olympic/World Cup play. Learning the game well enough to move between those categories takes deliberate study and experience.

I miss those vs games. I was a regular. I don't play a lot of online co-op or competitive multiplayer games. That was the only one I ever got really into. It was also one of the few multiplayer games i ever felt like i was good at. L4d 1&2 combined is by far the most time I have on games on my steam account. Like a total of over 800 hrs.

Keep me in mind if anyone wants to plan more games. Or if people need an extra on a non-vs game. I think I'm generally open to new players. I like helping them. A huge part of the fun of L4D, is getting overwhelmed and panicking and then chaos happens.

l4d2 is how I got pulled into the gwj community by my college buddies.

Has this thread been getting so much activity because we're thinking about actually playing again? I moved on to Vermintide for a couple of years after l4d2 tapered off, but I still miss the weekly game.

Friday night?

I may not be down for VS, especially without snare speak. But I'd love to do some co-op.

Hmm, neat.

Donut pops up in my Steam chat, wanting to play this, occasionally.

cartoonin wrote:

Hmm, neat.

Donut pops up in my Steam chat, wanting to play this, occasionally.

Donut squealing when being pulled or listening to a drunk on wine Vega own your survivor was fun.

I'll reinstall. Got nothing but time these days. Team Jerk drunkenly caroling through the mall while we got stomped by the pubbies we intended to stomp is a fond memory.

Man, I miss the nights when we used to play this. Those were some of my favorite gaming experiences by far. I'd love to have a night to get everyone back together to do this.

Bonus_Eruptus wrote:

I'll reinstall. Got nothing but time these days. Team Jerk drunkenly caroling through the mall while we got stomped by the pubbies we intended to stomp is a fond memory.

If you're ever trying to get a game going, feel free to send an invite my way

Background on the new content: https://www.nme.com/en_au/gaming-fea...

They claim to have been doing bug fixes. The finales working incorrectly so often and being so exploitable belies that.

Reminds me of LobsterMobster...

Is it dusty in here?