Discuss police violence, the victims of police violence (including George Floyd and Breonna Taylor), the Black-led protests against said violence, and related topics.
So, not only was that photo-op unannounced, they had to violently clear out the large group of priests on the church patio to stage it:
Can we not play sh*t on every attempt Nomad tries to make? His engagement seemed authentic and just because he quoted an examiner didn't mean we needed 3 follow-up posts of antagonization. Assume some positive intent please. That could have been posted by several others without scrutiny.
This is a time to find new ways to put aside differences and come together. Let's start with our community when they attempt to engage with the current situation. There is a larger enemy than our friends.
Thank you.
*sigh* He's congratulating himself in his own tweet....
D.C. had no problems last night. Many arrests. Great job done by all. Overwhelming force. Domination. Likewise, Minneapolis was great (thank you President Trump!).
And this....
This is an important message from the District of Columbia AlertDC system.
The United States Secret Service (USSS) reports the following roadways will be closed to vehicular traffic until further notice.
Constitution Avenue NW, between 15th and 17th Street
17th Street NW, between Constitution Avenue and H Street
15th Street NW, between Constitution Avenue and H Street
H Street NW, between 15th Street and 17th Street
Stele wrote:mudbunny wrote:So, currently Canada does not accept "refugees" from the US because the US is a safe country.
Wonder if that will change in the coming days/weeks?
Eh?
We'll let you in.
Reaper81 wrote:mudbunny wrote:So, currently Canada does not accept "refugees" from the US because the US is a safe country.
Wonder if that will change in the coming days/weeks?
I have a Master's degree, understand hockey, and can make maple syrup.
You too.
MilkmanDanimal wrote:As a resident of the Minneapolis-St. Paul area, I live further north than a healthy portion of Canada's population, so I'm willing to help teach residents learn how to cope with cold weather.
You as well
aboot
What kind of checks and balances does the United States have btw to pretty much ignore Trump as he tries to escalate things to civil war?
As a Canadian I have no clue.
The helicopters buzzing protestors is very concerning. For how limited the Presidents powers are in some cases requiring Congress/Senate don't tell me he can pick up a phone and essentially start ordering the military to do as he pleases especially domestically.
What kind of checks and balances does the United States have btw to pretty much ignore Trump as he tries to escalate things to civil war?
Well, technically we have the other two branches of Government. Legislative and Judicial.
and f*cking at them being checks and balances at this point.
What kind of checks and balances does the United States have btw to pretty much ignore Trump as he tries to escalate things to civil war?
As a Canadian I have no clue.
The helicopters buzzing protestors is very concerning. For how limited the Presidents powers are in some cases requiring Congress/Senate don't tell me he can pick up a phone and essentially start ordering the military to do as he pleases especially domestically.
He cannot normally deploy the military domestically outside of Washington D.C. without the explicit consent of the governors of each state. However, the statutes of the Insurrection Act allows the President to deploy the military within the U.S. if local authorities are unable or unwilling to enforce federal laws and maintain order. The Insurrection Act was last invoked during the L.A. riots in 1992; prior to that, it was used to prevent looting after a hurricane, to enforce desegregation, and to massacre Native Americans.
The end of this New York Times explainer sums up the situation pretty well:
Originally, the statutes set clearer limitations, like a sunset provision for the use of military forces, and a required judicial review, Professor Vladeck said.But after those provisions were repealed, it became “somewhat unclear how an abuse of the statute could be reined in,” he said.
“We’ve been lucky, historically, that political considerations have prevented presidents from abusing these authorities,” he said. “But there is no guarantee that comparable considerations would restrain President Trump.”
So yet again, we're counting on "norms" to maintain checks and balances.
Theoretically, Congress could amend the Insurrection Act (it's been amended multiple times before) to re-impose some kind of judicial review, to reimpose a sunset of military force, or to repeal the law entirely. But I cannot imagine that passing the Senate, and I cannot imagine Trump actually obeying any kind of oversight or review from Congress.
What kind of checks and balances does the United States have btw to pretty much ignore Trump as he tries to escalate things to civil war?
As a Canadian I have no clue.
I'm over in Northern Ireland pondering the same.
So we really think the congress that would not impeach him will say no to him at this point?
I think there is a better chance of the military disobeying any of his unlawful orders or carefully obeying lawful orders and not harming civilians than that happening(and I don't hold out a lot of hope for these options either).
So we really think the congress that would not impeach him will say no to him at this point?
I think there is a better chance of the military disobeying any of his unlawful orders or carefully obeying lawful orders and not harming civilians than that happening(and I don't hold out a lot of hope for these options either).
Unfortunately bingo StealthPizza.
I am honestly sick from what I've seen and exhausted reading about it. Edit: So to be specific the response to peaceful protests by constantly agitating protesters with various tactics, gas, pepper spray, attacking unprovoked, etc is what has brought me down so far today.
I hope some police start walking off and joining the protest and protecting them but that's some pipe dreams my friends.
So we really think the congress that would not impeach him will say no to him at this point?
I think there is a better chance of the military disobeying any of his unlawful orders or carefully obeying lawful orders and not harming civilians than that happening(and I don't hold out a lot of hope for these options either).
I think the most likely outcome is Trump getting spooked when polling shows public opposition to military deployment against the protests, and it remains a threat that he trots out to rile up his base but doesn't act on. Kinda like his endless threats to override governors on pandemic measures that he never tried to do but talked a lot about.
Or, he decides to damn the torpedoes and go full steam ahead with a military overthrow of the country and f*ck the election.
Yeah, the only real check that exists given the state of the GOP and the Senate is the people. Do police walk away. Does the military disobey orders. Do people in the streets overwhelm authorities. I think Trump can do whatever he wants at this point. It's just a question of what he wants.
Yeah, the only real check that exists given the state of the GOP and the Senate is the people. Do police walk away. Does the military disobey orders. Do people in the streets overwhelm authorities. I think Trump can do whatever he wants at this point. It's just a question of what he wants.
And the problem here is that many if not most of those in police & armed forces fall into trump camp lapping up the dumb rhetoric being fed to them. Most of them see protesters as criminals and white nationalists causing problems or dumb GOP supporters showing up with violent actions as saviors/good people.
What kind of checks and balances does the United States have btw to pretty much ignore Trump as he tries to escalate things to civil war?
As a Canadian I have no clue.
The helicopters buzzing protestors is very concerning. For how limited the Presidents powers are in some cases requiring Congress/Senate don't tell me he can pick up a phone and essentially start ordering the military to do as he pleases especially domestically.
People have already been shot and killed by police firing into crowds.
Does anyone seriously believe that adding more guns with live ammunition, held by military kill-or-be-killed trained soldiers to the equation will make things better?
More people will die. Honestly just a few more bystanders dying from stray bullets is a best case scenario right now. We'll be lucky if there isn't a massacre.
Gross....
Attorney General William P. Barr's Statement on Protests in Washington, D.C.
Attorney General William P. Barr released the following statement:“Last night was a more peaceful night in the District of Columbia. Working together, federal and local law enforcement made significant progress in restoring order to the nation’s capital.
I am grateful to Chief Peter Newsham and the Metropolitan Police Department for their outstanding work and professionalism. The District is well served by this exceptional police force.
I also thank Secretary of Defense Mark Esper, Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman General Mark Milley, and the men and women of the Department of Defense for their support. I am particularly impressed by the citizen-soldiers of the D.C. National Guard, who are committed to serving their community, and did so with great effectiveness last night.
Not least, I am grateful to the many federal law enforcement agencies and personnel who helped protect the District, including the FBI, Secret Service, Park Police, ATF, DEA, Bureau of Prisons, U.S. Marshals Service, Capitol Police, Department of Homeland Security’s CBP and Border Patrol units, and others.
There will be even greater law enforcement resources and support in the region tonight. The most basic function of government is to provide security for people to live their lives and exercise their rights, and we will meet that responsibility here in the nation’s capital.”
The most basic function of government is to provide security for people to live their lives and exercise their rights
I mean, that's exactly why this is happening, because this government is failing that.
Trevor Noah talking about Legitimacy is poignant. This government is illegitimate from the perspective of anyone but a rich white family (or just racists I guess)
I mean, that's exactly why this is happening, because this government is failing that.
Trevor Noah talking about Legitimacy is poignant. This government is illegitimate from the perspective of anyone but a rich white family (or just racists I guess)
yup, Barr just didn't say it out loud...
The most basic function of government is to provide security for white people to live their lives and exercise their rights
Washington (CNN)Attorney General William Barr on Monday evening ordered authorities to clear a crowd of protesters that had gathered near the White House, according to a Justice Department official, minutes ahead of President Donald Trump's televised address from the Rose Garden.
Barr had been told that police believed protestors were gathering rocks to throw at law enforcement, and while he was in the park, water bottles were thrown in his direction, the official said. CNN did not witness any water bottles being thrown at the attorney general. Camera footage shows him standing and watching the crowd for several minutes, flanked by a security detail and two senior department officials.
Twitter thread:
So basically kidnapped by cops and held in a garage with limited food and water for 10+ hours. WTF
I absolutely adore Senator Duckworth.
Straight up calls the Secretary of Defense and Chairman of the JCoS "Lapdogs," and then donald a "Five-time draft dodging coward."
The Intercept: MINNEAPOLIS POLICE UNION PRESIDENT: “I’VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THREE SHOOTINGS MYSELF, AND NOT A ONE OF THEM HAS BOTHERED ME”
IN AN INTERVIEW in April, Lt. Bob Kroll, head of Minneapolis’s police union, said that he and a majority of the Minneapolis Police Officers’ Federation’s board have been involved in police shootings. Kroll said that he and the officers on the union’s board were not bothered by the shootings, comparing themselves favorably to other officers.
Last fall Bob Kroll, the head of the Minneapolis police union, appeared at a Trump rally, where he thanked the president for ending Barack Obama’s “oppression of police” and letting cops “put the handcuffs on criminals instead of us.”
Today your job is to eat sh*t and have people explain the various ways you are a monster for five hours.
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