Playstation 5 Catch-All

ClockworkHouse wrote:
Spikeout wrote:

Excellent! Love these new console reveal events even if hype does take over a little too much

Can't wait to see what Housemarque is cooking up, a look at what Bluepoint is working on & I'm hoping for Gran Turismo 7 & a new Ratchet & Clank to be shown off.

I'd love to see a new IP in there & lastly some gameplay from Horizon 2 or whatever the follow up is called.

I'm tempering my expectations and going in pleasantly surprised if we get more than an "exciting sneak peek" at an upcoming Ubisoft game and this year's Call of Duty.

That's a good frame of mind to go into the event with. I'm glad time wise it's going to be around the hour mark, plenty of time for multiple games to be shown.

Have you any hopes in what games you'd like to see at the event?

The teaser for the event has the Dual Sense in the video but in black & it looks amazing, possibly hinting at two colours (or more) at launch.

RnRClown wrote:

Housemarque. I still play Resogun to this day. I may not revisit Alienation or Nex Machina as often, but when they were in the mix I was addicted to them just the same. Sad to hear about Stormdivers. Maybe they can resurrect it down the road. Whatever they put out next I'll be there wallet in hand!

Resogun is not only my favourite launch game ever but one of the finest playing games of all time. If Housemarque somehow recreate that magic but in a brand new title, even if there was no other launch title I'd be happy.

I was willing to give Stormdivers a go even though Battle Royale's aren't my thing, just on the pedigree of their work. Hopefully their next game brings them a lot of success.

ccesarano wrote:

This is basically part one of Sony's several-month-long marketing plan, so yeah, best not to expect the most amazing reveals. No doubt they got some third-party line-ups in mind as well as first-party, but expect something like... I dunno, Knack 3.

Are you sure? I haven't read anything about them doing multiple E3 replacement events. It would be pretty dumb for them to not control expectations after the Xbox 3rd party event underwhelmed.

I'm excited for to watch, even though I desperately hope to avoid needing a Playstation. I renew this hope each generation, then buy one anyway.

I'm hoping for some unexpected launch title announcements or confirmations. I was already planning to get one, but it'd be nice to have a real reason instead of just... because.

Fedaykin98 wrote:
ccesarano wrote:

This is basically part one of Sony's several-month-long marketing plan, so yeah, best not to expect the most amazing reveals. No doubt they got some third-party line-ups in mind as well as first-party, but expect something like... I dunno, Knack 3.

Are you sure? I haven't read anything about them doing multiple E3 replacement events. It would be pretty dumb for them to not control expectations after the Xbox 3rd party event underwhelmed.

I'm excited for to watch, even though I desperately hope to avoid needing a Playstation. I renew this hope each generation, then buy one anyway. :lol:

They will almost certainly participate in Geoff Keighley's summer games fest leading up to Gamescom.

Spikeout wrote:

Have you any hopes in what games you'd like to see at the event?

It's less about what I'd like to see than what I'd like to not see. It's an unpopular opinion, but I feel like Sony's first-party games have gotten stuck in a rut, similar to where Ubisoft has found itself. Sony is offering a lot of games that are mechanically very similar with a high level of polish. Consequently, they've stopped making some of the more experimental, artistic games that I've associated with them in the past.

I'm not sure the root cause of it. I may have to do with the waxing influence of their American studios (especially Naughty Dog) and the waning influence of their Japan studios. It may also have to do with many of their more off-beat games being tethered to the expensive and unpopular PS VR platform. Whatever the cause, it's difficult to imagine the Sony of today greenlighting a game like Ico, Until Dawn, Gravity Rush, or even The Order 1886. I have any equally difficult time picturing them producing games like Demon's Souls or Shadow of the Colossus as new projects (rather than remakes or remasters).

So I'd like to not see a platform reveal that's heavy on open world, quasi-RPGs with po-faced protagonists and maybe some graphic violence for flavor. I'm worn out on them and in the past could count on Sony to provide some alternatives to the ubiquitous trends of the day. I'd like to see them do that again.

I do get where your coming from Clock. I'd like to see some riskier games in terms of theme & structure. Open world fatigue has crept in with a lot of games adopting similar frameworks. There's still room for unique experiences like BOTW showed.

I think its hard to take Insomniac off a Spiderman sequel, Santa Monica off a God Of War sequel & Guerilla off a Horizon sequel but they can at least try different & experimental ideas within those familar settings.

I'd love to see the Astro Bot team get to make something completely unique, utilising features of the Dual Sense into some fun gameplay scenarios. There was a rumour that a smaller team at Guerilla was making a FPS, they did hire a couple of people from Rainbow Six Seige in 2018. Maybe that was just to go on the horizon team, who knows.

The good thing is Sony do still support weird/less popular projects, giving devs a generous amount of time too. They let Media Molecule basically spend the whole of this generation on Dreams which was a huge risk. The Last Guardian also got a similar amount of time, originally planned for the PS3 but eventually moving to PS4. Death Stranding although technically not first party was funded by Sony, I think. It was very different from the norm (I know your not a fan of Kojima's games).

Who knows there might be a surprise or two in there somewhere.

Fedaykin98 wrote:

Are you sure? I haven't read anything about them doing multiple E3 replacement events. It would be pretty dumb for them to not control expectations after the Xbox 3rd party event underwhelmed.

I'm excited for to watch, even though I desperately hope to avoid needing a Playstation. I renew this hope each generation, then buy one anyway. :lol:

I don't have any evidence beyond those that broke the rumor, and the fact that Microsoft themselves has been playing the long game. In fact, with or without E3, I guarantee the strategy going into 2020 pre-lockdown was a gradual reveal of more and more information leading up to the system's release because that's how marketing works these days. I wish I could find my forum post from last year where I brought it up, or perhaps I said it on my now deleted Twitter, I'm not sure. But I recall telling people that E3 was no longer the gaming event of the summer, it was the first and that you'd see games be slowly revealed bit by bit leading up to release.

Look at the first gameplay video of Star Wars: Jedi: Fallen Order at E3 and the lukewarm reception it got. Then look at the gradual release of videos over the following months that showed more and more gameplay and narrative until its November release. Marketing is all about the steady drip feed to make sure people are still aware of your existence and maintain a steady level of hype.

If Sony revealed everything (which, in an hour, would be difficult to achieve), then everyone will be excited for one week and then immediately forget about it when the next big thing is revealed. Summer Games Fest is the natural evolution of these marketing events being a whole season of news and announcements rather than focusing on individual trade shows.

Sony's going to reveal the console and basic functionality as well as some games, but they're going to gradually reveal more about the system operating system, its new features, new game info, etc. for months. So expect to walk away from this event with questions remaining and launch games not looking entirely great.

Spikeout wrote:

...The teaser for the event has the Dual Sense in the video but in black & it looks amazing, possibly hinting at two colours (or more) at launch.

As far as I could see it was the same white & black DualSense they showed previously, but backlit so strongly you can't distinguish the white from the black. Once or twice it rotated into the light and the parts that were white were revealed to be so.

Evan E wrote:
Spikeout wrote:

...The teaser for the event has the Dual Sense in the video but in black & it looks amazing, possibly hinting at two colours (or more) at launch.

As far as I could see it was the same white & black DualSense they showed previously, but backlit so strongly you can't distinguish the white from the black. Once or twice it rotated into the light and the parts that were white were revealed to be so.

Awk dammit! Thanks for clearing that up

I realise we probably won't see it but I'd be happy if there was some thing on the next Horizon game. A) because I'm dying to see what new creatures there will be and B) because I need to know what the heck they are going to call it so I can start calling it that.

I've read some convincing arguments that Sony won't even reveal the console, actually. All the press about it has been games, games, games.

Higgledy wrote:

B) because I need to know what the heck they are going to call it so I can start calling it that.

Horizon One Dawn

Or maybe

Horizon Zero Noon

Agathos wrote:
Higgledy wrote:

B) because I need to know what the heck they are going to call it so I can start calling it that.

Horizon One Dawn

Or maybe

Horizon Zero Noon

2 Horizon 2 Dawnious

It took me a little while to work that last one out.

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I’m only interested if they reveal a Demon Souls remaster or Bloodborne 2. More gruff white dudes in a post apocalyptic world are a big meh.

Spikeout wrote:

Have you any hopes in what games you'd like to see at the event?

I'm going to look for games that are outside of Sony's wheelhouse. Sony is, In their own words, focused on "strong, narrative-driven single-player games" and that's just not me. I miss when Sony made more "gamey" games like Ape Escape, Wipeout, Motorstorm, Jak & Daxter, Arc the Lad, etc. I don't mind the odd Last of Us, but it's not my bread and butter gaming.

Obviously I don't expect Sony to go all Nintendo nor do I think they should. They have a successful model that a lot of people love and they should stick with it. I'm mostly curious if Sony decides to branch out a little and throw me a bone or get third-parties to do it for them. A Demon's Souls remaster and a new Crash Bandicoot would be pretty exciting and both of those are believable enough to happen. An arcade racer would be nice to see too.

I don't want to see the same old games.
A Demon Souls remaster or new Crash Bandicoot would be nice.

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I've come to realize that Sony's first-party titles are at least tolerable forms of more prevalent Western genres throughout the PS4 generation, even if few of them are truly favorite games of mine. While Marvel's Spider-Man had plenty of issues, they were mostly due to typical open-world formula garbage that clutters the genre (and now that I think about it, one of the great things about Breath of the Wild (take a drink?) is that Nintendo didn't bother making the game world progressively more difficult. The world was the world and that was that). The web-swinging was, of course, great feeling and I enjoyed the combat (once you unlocked a bunch of abilities that should have been available from the start).

There was a lot I disliked about Horizon: Zero Dawn, but the combat was not part of it.

God of War is a secret Darksiders game and I will keep saying it until people's eyes bleed and while I could do without color-based loot armor and other gripes it is probably my favorite thing they've done this generation so far.

I still need to play Ghost of Tsushima and Death Stranding when it comes to "recent" 1st party titles clearly fitting this "Prestige Game" approach. Even so, you can kind of see it developing even in the PS3 generation. Mechanically I loved Resistance 3, but its story was all told with high production values to communicate a whole bunch of nonsense in a way that felt emotional and meaningful even if it... uh... honestly I don't even remember what the narrative was. That I haven't played that game in years and still remember so many of its set-pieces, however, stands out to me when I remember far fewer specifics of the more recently played Horizon.

But Resistance as a franchise was indicating where Sony was evolving towards. Killzone was meant to be their "Halo-killer" (lol), and then they came out with Resistance, a twist on the growing popularity of the WWII shooter but WITH ALIENS WHOOOOAAAAH. And you guys remember HAZE? Of course not, and Sony wants you to forget as well. They want you to bury a bunch of those games in the cemetery right beside Wild Arms.

The last games we got from Sony that didn't fit this mature gamer AAA mold that I can think of were Ratchet & Clank and Knack 2, and notice how nobody is talking about Ratchet & Clank or the disappointing numbers its... tie-in movie? did (though really, it was the most bizarre circumstance of "Movie based on the game even though the game is pretty much the movie shovelware but more competent").

At this point the average gaming enthusiasts are grown adults and so Sony is going to try and appeal with their model of Oscar Bait. All I can count on is that they'll be decent executions of Western trends that at least earn a B+, but I don't really expect them to be pushing boundaries.

Then again, I don't think I ever expected Sony to be the one pushing boundaries as it was.

TheGameguru wrote:

I’m only interested if they reveal a Demon Souls remaster or Bloodborne 2.

That and Horizon All Dawns is 'all' I need.

Would I like them to do an isometic rtwp CRPG in a new IP? Sure, but probably not realistic

Djinn wrote:

I'm going to look for games that are outside of Sony's wheelhouse. Sony is, In their own words, focused on "strong, narrative-driven single-player games" and that's just not me. I miss when Sony made more "gamey" games like Ape Escape, Wipeout, Motorstorm, Jak & Daxter, Arc the Lad, etc. I don't mind the odd Last of Us, but it's not my bread and butter gaming.

I've similarly grown tired of the present Sony blueprint. It was a natural phase that has now dipped, for me. It's such a wide profitable market, though, that I can't see Sony straying from their stumbled upon cash flow. I'd be all over a return to that "gamey" vein right along with you, and the few of us here, though.

ccesarano wrote:

There was a lot I disliked about Horizon: Zero Dawn, but the combat was not part of it.

I'm in the same boat. Or at least a similar boat. The combat options were fantastic. The enemy types were brilliant. The traversal was adequate if limited. The resource management was temperamental. It had a middling open world. The pacing was poor. The characters were mundane. The writing was distinctly average. The whole affair was propped up by a good voice performance from Ashly Burch, for a good character in Aloy.

TheGameguru wrote:

I’m only interested if they reveal a Demon Souls remaster or Bloodborne 2.

Something like this from FROM is pretty much a lock, because those games are the only reason I bought the last two Playstations.

Might not have been my only reasons for ever buying sony consoles, but at least the only reasons I didn't wait years longer.

There seems to maybe be something to a Demon’s Souls remaster from Bluepoint Games. From we know are working on Elden Ring.

steinkrug wrote:

There seems to maybe be something to a Demon’s Souls remaster from Bluepoint Games. From we know are working on Elden Ring.

It seems more and more likely. Whenever Plus Square do a story on Bluepoint they accompany it with the same image from Demon Souls which makes me chuckle.

For those who haven't played Demons Souls & if the rumour of Bluepoint working on the remake is true, your in for a treat.

It was a sort of mini revolution moment for me on the PS3. I honestly didn't think I could get past that starting area, the difficulty was something I just wasn't used to since the NES/SNES days of Ghost N Ghoblins. It was refreshing & brutal at the same time.

I was playing something that tested player skill, had really challenging, brilliantly designed bosses & a checkpoint system that really made you appreciate progression like no other game at the time. Boletaria is a haunting place too, the atmosphere like in all From games is like nothing else.

I really hope that's what Bluepoint are working on. Their work on the Shadow Of The Colossus remake was a hell of an achievement.

I tried Demon’s Souls after loving Dark Souls but couldn’t get into it. Hopefully a remaster would help.

I played Demons Souls after Dark Souls, which I didn't play at launch, either, so the player base for DeS was many years post-peak. I'd love to play a gorgeous remake, but I might be able to say no to one that requires a new console. Maybe. Hopefully Elden Ring will be completely amazing and engrossing.

I prefer the slightly darker atmosphere of Demons Souls, but Dark Souls is clearly the mechanically superior game. It'll be nice to get back to the original with some refinements like not having to farm for healing items.

So, if this list is to be believed, there's... not a lot on the launch list that I'd find particularly purchase worthy

https://screenrant.com/ps5-games-con...

Titles marked with *s are extracted from the list on the site and purported / rumored to be likely launch titles.

Assassin's Creed Valhalla (ETA 2020)*
DiRT 5 (2020)*
FIFA 21 (ETA 2020)*
Godfall (ETA TBA)*
Madden 21 (ETA 2020)*
NHL 21 (ETA 2020)*
Observer System Redux (ETA 2020)*
Outriders (ETA 2020)*
Quantum Error (ETA 2020)*
Rainbow Six Siege (ETA TBA)*
Redo! Enhanced Edition (ETA 2020)*
Ultimate Fishing Simulator 2 (ETA 2020)*
WRC 9 (ETA 2020)*

Grain of salt, I'm sure.

Launch games are almost always pretty middling, occasionally with one or two standouts. While I bought a launch PS4, I still primarily played on my PS3 for about another year. I didn't buy a launch PS3, I waited until they announced the first revision, which removed full backwards compatibility, giving me the impetus to pick up a full-BC 1st gen model, and even then I didn't find anything outstanding for about a year after that.

If you're really underwhelmed by the announced launch titles (which I expect will have a few Sony exclusives we don't know about yet), I have good news for you - chances are supplies will be sufficiently constrained that it's likely you won't be able to get a PS5 until 2021 anyways. (I fully expect the launch day supply to almost completely sell out the day pre-orders become available.)