NFL 2020: Draft

The Browns reportedly made a big offer to Jadeveon Clowney, and he turned them down.

I get the feeling Clowney doesn't really gauge his value very well. He had 3 sacks last year in Seattle. Obviously he was more impactful than that number, and injuries held him to 11 starts, but the market for him was weak a year ago and it seems pretty weak now.

I'm guessing Cleveland would have cut Olivier Vernon loose if they signed Clowney.

Not sorry to not have to root for him

One of the comments on the PFT article mentioned Everson Griffen. Yes, get him, even if he's a wrong fit for your D front. What are they running now? Seems like it changes every year, much like everything else about the Browns.

I wanted Everson Griffen in San Francisco last year, before the team made the Dee Ford trade.

It sounds like Griffen hasn't signed anywhere yet because he wants to be able to visit the places first, and obviously that's all been on hold for a while.

Hey, if anyone wants an edge rusher, call up the Jags for Yannick Ngakoue. Have your 2021 1st round pick handy.

*Legion* wrote:

Hey, if anyone wants an edge rusher, call up the Jags for Yannick Ngakoue. Have your 2021 1st round pick handy.

Seems like if anyone was willing to trade a 1st for him, it would have happened before the draft. Jags probably need to adjust their asking price or risk this going the way of Trent Williams. Obviously different circumstances, but I could see it happening with how much he seemingly despises JAX for not getting an extension done last year.

ukickmydog wrote:

Seems like if anyone was willing to trade a 1st for him, it would have happened before the draft.

I think big time trades (and FA) are currently choked by COVID, and you'll see more high value player movement pick back up when teams can get close looks at guys again.

Also, you could use the same logic to say that if someone was going to trade two 1sts for Laremy Tunsil, it would have happened before the draft, but that was an August trade last year.

I'd put the price tag for Ngakoue at about a 2nd, similar to the Dee Ford trade value. But following year picks are valued a round lower, hence the 2021 1st. I'm assuming that we're talking about contending teams that expect to have a draft slot in the latter half of the round. Non-contenders with expected high draft slots, maybe a 2nd plus a 4th.

They should trade him to the Rams for their 2nd and 3rd to pair with their 1st and 4th that the Jags already have.

*Legion* wrote:
ukickmydog wrote:

Seems like if anyone was willing to trade a 1st for him, it would have happened before the draft.

I think big time trades (and FA) are currently choked by COVID, and you'll see more high value player movement pick back up when teams can get close looks at guys again.

Also, you could use the same logic to say that if someone was going to trade two 1sts for Laremy Tunsil, it would have happened before the draft, but that was an August trade last year.

I'd put the price tag for Ngakoue at about a 2nd, similar to the Dee Ford trade value. But following year picks are valued a round lower, hence the 2021 1st. I'm assuming that we're talking about contending teams that expect to have a draft slot in the latter half of the round. Non-contenders with expected high draft slots, maybe a 2nd plus a 4th.

They should trade him to the Rams for their 2nd and 3rd to pair with their 1st and 4th that the Jags already have.

From what I recall, Tunsil didn't have any issues with Miami. He wasn't throwing a tantrum to be traded, therefore reducing his value. That aspect was the comparison I was making.

*Legion* wrote:

They should trade him to the Rams for their 2nd and 3rd to pair with their 1st and 4th that the Jags already have.

The L.A. Rams; the Jaguars of the West Coast.

So . . . who is that statement more insulting for . . . hmmm . . .

Well Jalen Ramsey was throwing a tantrum and even sitting out games, and the Jags got two 1sts and a 4th for him in the middle of the season.

I take your point on Trent Williams, but Washington did have every opportunity to get value for Williams, they simply self-sabotaged by letting Bruce Allen be GM. The Jags are ready to move Ngakoue as soon as they have a fair offer.

At bare minimum, they can let him walk and he will sign a free agent deal that maxes out the compensatory formula and nets them a 3rd rounder. So a trade has to do better than that.

I imagine a big part of the Jags plans are to let a team Texans themselves. Happens a few times every year. Unfortunately that may have already happened with the Foles trade.

News out of Carolina: Panthers sign CB Eli Apple from the Saints.

I'm not sure how you go from being the overall No. 10 pick in 2016 to being on your third team in five seasons but there you go. Carolina is *that* desperate for a DB who has seen NFL action.

Still better than Vernon Hargreaves.

Wait... *checks PFF*

Yeah still better than Vernon Hargreaves.

Opposing QBs have a combined 107.6 passer rating when throwing at Vernon Hargreaves over the course of his career.

You can't have guys that give up 100+ passer ratings as your cornerbacks. And in Eli Apple, Carolina has avoided exactly that. Apple's career passer rating against: 99.9.

This one has to be dedicated to both the Giants fans and GameGuru:

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I guess I'm now a Carson Wentz fan. From Twitter:

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Savagery.

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If $12m is the best offer Clowney has received, his value has indeed tanked a good bit in the eyes of the league.

That would put him below the $12.5m/yr deal Jason Pierre-Paul just signed, and right above the $11.5m/year deal Justin Houston signed last year. Both of those guys are 31 and Clowney is 27. Those deals are on the very fringe of the top 25 of edge rusher annual averages.

Or maybe everyone is just sitting on their hands until COVID eases up and people have a better idea what the 2020 league year (and, in turn, the 2021 salary cap) is going to look like. Maybe the Browns were just throwing out a see-if-he'll-say-yes-for-cheap offer.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/03/sport...

(CNN)Denver Broncos head coach Vic Fangio told reporters Tuesday he doesn't believe racism and discrimination are issues in the NFL.

"I think our problems in the NFL along those lines are minimal," Fangio said. "We're a league of meritocracy, you earn what you get, you get what you earn."
"I don't see racism at all in the NFL. I don't see discrimination in the NFL," Fangio added. "... We're lucky. We all live together, joined as one, for one common goal, and we all intermingle and mix tremendously. If society reflected an NFL team, we'd all be great."

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I bet that Vic Fangio doesn't see color, thinks both sides make valid points, and believes All Lives Matter.

Now I'm glad that Fangio got passed over for Tomsula the Mic Rula.

And in another chapter of dumbasses in the NFL, Drew Brees decided now was a good time to double down on decrying players kneeling and calling it "disrespecting the flag". Already shouting down future peaceful protest.

Pete Carroll says we owe a tremendous amount to Colin Kaepernick. Apparently "a tremendous amount" does not include things like "a job playing QB in the NFL".

Yeah, I still don't understand why SEA never hired him as Russell's backup. They brought him in for a look but didn't sign him. The only way that makes sense is if Kaep wanted assurances about a chance to compete for Russell's job. Otherwise, in what world is he not a legit backup to a 1st ballot HOFer?

Well, straight from the lips of former NFL VP of communications Joe Lockhart (who was in that role during Kaepernick's ousting from the league):

"Colin Kaepernick was not bounced by NFL team owners because of his skill. He was not bounced because of salary demands. And he was not bounced because he wanted a starting job. No, he was rejected by NFL team owners because he became a financial liability, kneeling for social justice and igniting a telling firestorm with President Donald Trump."

(...)

"Signing Kaepernick, they thought, was bad for business. An executive from one team that considered signing Kaepernick told me the team projected losing 20% of their season ticket holders if they did. That was a business risk no team was willing to take, whether the owner was a Trump supporter or a bleeding-heart liberal (yes, those do exist). As bad of an image problem it presented for the league and the game, no owner was willing to put the business at risk over this issue."

sh*t he was a swallowed PI flag from winning a super bowl. For a couple years there Kaep had to be a better option than half the starters in the league.

Stele wrote:

sh*t he was a swallowed PI flag from winning a super bowl. For a couple years there Kaep had to be a better option than half the starters in the league.

New Orleans is paying Taysom Hill $21 million over 2 years to execute the kind of dual threat run-pass play looks that were Kaepernick's #1 asset.

Imagine bringing a Kaepernick rested and fresh onto the field 5-6 times a game to run RPOs against a winded defense. And still getting a legit backup QB out of the roster spot.

Kaepernick's passing never quite took the last step into the consistency required to fully capitalize on his arm talent, but it's not like you had to worry about him turning the ball over when you brought him onto the field. 1.8% career INT%.

Drew Brees picked an odd way to retire from the Saints.

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*Legion* wrote:

Now I'm glad that Fangio got passed over for Tomsula the Mic Rula.

And in another chapter of dumbasses in the NFL, Drew Brees decided now was a good time to double down on decrying players kneeling and calling it "disrespecting the flag". Already shouting down future peaceful protest.

MAN, the reaction to this from current and former NFL players... SHEESH.

@bomani_jones wrote:

so i guess some of you were right. it took almost four years, but colin kaepernick finally broke up a locker room.

drew brees' locker room.

and because of something drew brees said.

Drew Brees Papa John'ed himself.

The fact that the Saints honestly think that a poor man's Tim Tebow is a rich man's Lamar Jackson is all you need to know about their level of colorblindness.