NFL 2020: Draft

Not sure if this has been posted yet but I just saw it for the first time.

Yup, probably Frank's best work.

garion333 wrote:

The whole thing was sketchy from the beginning.

Continuing down that road, DeAndre Baker's attorneys are now suing Quinton Dunbar's attorney for "libel and slander" based on things said on Twitter.

So sad to see such good friends and... and... *snicker* partners in crime turn on each other like this.

PFT says there is "growing support" for an onside kick replacement proposal, which puts the ball on the "kicking" team's 25 yard line for a single "4th and 15" offensive play.

On the one hand, recent rule changes have mostly killed the onside kick in the name of safety, but since it's still a thing, every team that's behind late by 1-2 scores still has to try it. If it isn't going to be eliminated entirely, it needs some sort of replacement or rework. This seems like the first viable proposal.

On the other hand, this kills the Younghoe Koo.

Have they considered trying mortar kicks? I remember hearing at one point how mortar kicks were totally going to revolutionize kickoffs.

Apparently that doesn't work if you mortar them all into the endzone and finish the season in the top 10 in touchback percentage.

The Chiefs will score 100 points a game with that rule.

Fifteen yards is Mahomes’ sweet spot.

https://www.espn.com/blog/afcwest/po...

NFL teams converted a first down on 21 of 251 plays of third-and-18 or longer this season -- about 8% of the time.

Never tell Patrick Mahomes the odds.

On third-and-18 yards or more this season, the Chiefs quarterback has completed 10 of 11 passes for almost 21 yards per attempt. He has five first downs, three touchdowns and a perfect passer rating of 158.3.

I want both teams to line up on their goal lines and Goodell to drop the ball on the midfield logo and they race to get possession, just like in water polo.

Added drama for Goodell to sprint 30 yards to get out of bounds before the teams converge in the middle.

Top_Shelf wrote:

I want both teams to line up on their goal lines and Goodell to drop the ball on the midfield logo and they race to get possession, just like in water polo.

Added drama for Goodell to sprint 30 yards to get out of bounds before the teams converge in the middle.

That's kind of what the original XFL did. Minus Goodell, of course.

I'm now in the "just delete the damn kickoff already" camp. Other team scored? Fine, here's the ball on the 25. Let's stop pretending that watching a guy take a knee in the end zone 80% of the time is exciting.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

I'm now in the "just delete the damn kickoff already" camp. Other team scored? Fine, here's the ball on the 25. Let's stop pretending that watching a guy take a knee in the end zone 80% of the time is exciting.

I've heard exactly one proposal on changing the kickoff format that I like. And out of all the people in the world it could have come from, it came from Greg Schiano.

His proposal had two parts. The first is basically the exact onside kickoff rule that is being proposed in the NFL now. Schiano's proposal placed the ball at the 35 instead of the 25, but he was making the proposal with NCAA football in mind, so I consider moving it to the 25 to just be an NFL-ization of his idea. But it was the exact same "4th-and-15" concept.

The other part was replacing normal kickoffs with a punt play (as a snapped scrimmage play, not a free kick) from the 30 yard line. Punts are (a) safer than kickoffs (almost everyone running the same direction, instead of a mass of defenders charging into a wall of blockers), (b) have much higher variance of outcome (in large part because punts themselves are much less consistent than kickoff kicks), and (c) are still kicks, keeping kicking the ball as the fundamental element of this phase of the game.

I think it not only makes sense, but makes the game more consistent, for punts to be the one universal type of change-of-possession kicking play, and placekicking to only be for scoring kicking. I think of all the possibilities to meaningfully impact the safety of the "kickoff" play, this is the one that is the most consistent with how the game is now. It has a simplicity and clarity of thought that I can't imagine coming from Schiano.

I think, if it were up to me, I would tweak the yardages and ball spots a bit. I'd make both types of "kickoff" happen from the 30-yard-line, such that a "punt" kickoff could then become an "onside" kickoff in the event of a bad snap, a fake, etc. I'd also probably extend the onside kickoff yardage requirement to 20 yards instead of 15. But those are just details.

I like the onside kick rule being changed, and not just because it benefits my favorite team. They may need to make it 4th and 20.

But I think the XFL's kickoffs were pretty great and much safer.

Also:

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ROTFL

Jay Glazer says Taysom Hill is "bigger than Lamar Jackson".

A 30 year old QB with a career high of 1 completed pass in an NFL game and collegiate records in interceptions.

Oh the privilege in that one.

He’s technically correct. Same height but Hill weighs more.

"Paleocon wrote:

Jay Glazer says Taysom Hill is "bigger than Lamar Jackson".

I didn't understand your reaction until I looked up the context and saw the quote was actually: "He’s a bigger Lamar Jackson".

Your version of the quote just sounds like a size comparison, but the real quote definitely implies a skill set comparison, so now I get your response.

I disagree with Glazer not just on that quote, but on his entire premise: that Hill is the Saints QB of the future. The team has once again gone out of their way to make sure he isn't even their QB2, signing Jameis Winston to be another reclamation project after letting Teddy B walk. (Glazer makes zero reference to the Winston signing.) Nothing Hill has done throwing the ball has suggested he's up to running the high volume Sean Payton passing offense.

And maybe they intend to switch to a Greg Roman style offense like Roman ran with Kaepernick and now Jackson, but I haven't seen him even be Kaepernick as a passer, let alone Lamar.

There's a huge difference between being a gadget play passer and a 500 attempt a season passer. And honestly he hasn't even been good at that. Let's maybe see him beat the passing output of Antwaan Randle-El before comparing him to real QBs.

I don't even get signing him to a two year $16m contract extension. The dude is just a much worse version of Tim Tebow.

Paleocon wrote:

I don't even get signing him to a two year $16m contract extension. The dude is just a much worse version of Tim Tebow.

Well he's much more explosive a runner than Tebow. Tebow was a 4.71 40 and ran more like a fullback, Hill ran a 4.44 40 and has legitimate weapon speed for a 221 pound guy.

As a passer though, ehh I still probably would give him the edge over Tebow just because his throwing mechanics aren't garbage down to the fundamentals, but he hasn't shown anything that should scare anyone as a normal every-down passer.

But I will give you this: Tebow was better at the QB mental game. Tebow was good at reading the field, he just couldn't make the throw if his life depended on it. Hill was not a strong progression reader in college, and his NFL throws have pretty much all been drawn up as one-read plays.

I absolutely get using Hill as a "move" TE and "F" big slot wide receiver, and doing the occasional gadget throw. But how he's supposed to be the QB of the future when the Saints keep ensuring he takes as few reps as possible... I don't see it.

I will also say that paying a guy $8m/year that you only let touch the ball 52 times last year (27 rush, 19 rec, 6 pass attempts) is ... something.

Drew Brees missed 5 games last year and Taysom Hill had 6 pass attempts on the season. QB of the future.

As a fan of an NFC contending team, I am quite fine with the Saints using that much cap space on a player that touches the ball 3 times a game.

*Legion* wrote:

I will also say that paying a guy $8m/year that you only let touch the ball 52 times last year (27 rush, 19 rec, 6 pass attempts) is ... something.

"I don't see the problem."

--Chase Daniel

Ha. At least Chase has thrown more passes in one game than Hill's entire career.

Hill is kind of like if the Niners doubled Kyle Juszczyk's salary and then switched to a 1-back offense and didn't use a blocking fullback. Both players average about 20-25 yards from scrimmage per game. Juszczyk of course gets paid because he's on the field blocking for about half of the Niners' offensive snaps, and then gets used as a receiver secondarily. Hill comes in and produces slightly more yardage as Juszczyk but then blocks only about 4-5 times a game.

But you'll also get 60 passing yards from him on the season, so yeah, totally worth the money.

Football video gaming still ruined.

If you enjoyed the Michael Jordan propaganda documentary series "The Last Dance" but wish it were about a football player, good news, ESPN's looking to do one on Tom Brady, in conjunction with a newly-formed production company of Brady's.

So, you know exactly where it's gonna fall on the "Brady vs. Belichick" scale.

The Jets just signed an elite QB.

*Legion* wrote:
Paleocon wrote:

I don't even get signing him to a two year $16m contract extension. The dude is just a much worse version of Tim Tebow.

Well he's much more explosive a runner than Tebow. Tebow was a 4.71 40 and ran more like a fullback, Hill ran a 4.44 40 and has legitimate weapon speed for a 221 pound guy.

As a passer though, ehh I still probably would give him the edge over Tebow just because his throwing mechanics aren't garbage down to the fundamentals, but he hasn't shown anything that should scare anyone as a normal every-down passer.

But I will give you this: Tebow was better at the QB mental game. Tebow was good at reading the field, he just couldn't make the throw if his life depended on it. Hill was not a strong progression reader in college, and his NFL throws have pretty much all been drawn up as one-read plays.

I absolutely get using Hill as a "move" TE and "F" big slot wide receiver, and doing the occasional gadget throw. But how he's supposed to be the QB of the future when the Saints keep ensuring he takes as few reps as possible... I don't see it.

He certainly ends up hurt a lot and watching the film, it looks like he takes a sh*tton of really unnecessary contact. Folks give LJ8 crap about hits, but he has shown a LOT more smarts about going down or getting out of bounds than Hill ever has.

The fact that the Saints signed Jameis Winston in the offseason despite the insistence that Hill is their QB of the future is just as puzzling. If they are sincerely that excited about his potential and think he can put up 1500 rushing and 4000+ passing with 36 TD's with only 6 interceptions, then they would be wise ditching Drew Brees, let alone signing the league leading interception machine of 2019.

Granted, they signed Winston for fairly cheap, cheaper than Hill, but the real impact is the opportunity cost. Every snap Winston takes as QB2 is a snap the "QB of the future" isn't getting in camp or practices.

If Hill were the QB of the future, they would be force-feeding him snaps, and they'd have some undrafted free agent as their 3rd team QB taking whatever scrap snaps are left over.

Part of the reason Gardner Minshew performed as well as he did is because the Jags decided after drafting him that he was going to be the QB2, and fed him as many snaps as possible, including having the 2nd most pass attempts in the 2019 preseason of any QB. Foles was supposed to be the #1 so he took the first team practice and preseason snaps, but they were going to give Minshew as many reps as they possibly could, so he took all the 2nd team and as many of the 3rd team snaps as they could give him. They didn't expect to need Minshew so soon, but they made it a priority to prepare him.

Guess which Saints QB had the most 2019 preseason pass attempts? Teddy Bridgewater, and it was the 10th most in the league.

The team's actions don't match their words. When is Hill going to take reps?

Winston is gone after camp/preseason if he doesn't show some real progress on INTs.

I half think the move is to keep him from someone else's roster until it's too late to viably sign him.

garion333 wrote:

Winston is gone after camp/preseason if he doesn't show some real progress on INTs.

I half think the move is to keep him from someone else's roster until it's too late to viably sign him.

Winston's five years into a career, has played with a set of ridiculously talented skill position players, and just spent a year with one of the most pass-friendly coaches in the league. Nobody who is not currently in the concussion protocol thinks he has a chance in hell to show any progress on INTs. This is who he is. Along with sexual assault. Interceptions and sexual assault.

*Legion* wrote:

If you enjoyed the Michael Jordan propaganda documentary series "The Last Dance" but wish it were about a football player, good news, ESPN's looking to do one on Tom Brady, in conjunction with a newly-formed production company of Brady's.

So, you know exactly where it's gonna fall on the "Brady vs. Belichick" scale.

Can't wait for TB12 Productions Inc's take on Deflategate! Compelling tv!

[quote="Top_Shelf"]

*Legion* wrote:

If you enjoyed the Michael Jordan propaganda documentary series "The Last Dance" but wish it were about a football player, good news, ESPN's looking to do one on Tom Brady, in conjunction with a newly-formed production company of Brady's.

So, you know exactly where it's gonna fall on the "Brady vs. Belichick" scale.

Barf!! Outside of NE who would even watch that crap? I can only imagine the drivel that guests Markey Mark and Ben “he was the bomb in Phantoms” Afflek spouting. Literally nobody thinks Brady has an ounce of personality.

I'm just glad I don't have to casually cheer for the Saints anymore since they let Teddy go.

5-0 starter last year, while Brees comes back and loses to the Falcons. The writing was on the wall but they couldn't read it. f*ck em, I hope they enjoy losing.

Panthers-Ravens 2020. The Louisville QB show.

Taysom Hill proves once again that Sean Payton isn't half as smart as he thinks he is. #BlewDat