[Discussion] The (likely) Depressing Road to the 2020 Election Thread

It's going to be a circus.

Will 45 get impeached or step down or challenged? All 3? MAYBE.

Will the democrats eat themselves alive and hobble literally every potential candidate before the primaries are done? PROBABLY.

Talk about that junk here.

No no no, they want the orcs to win.

Sauron does provide stability.

farley3k wrote:

Sauron does provide stability.

Sauron isn't such a bad guy. He's hung around a long time because he cares about Mordor.

Rumors of him meddling with palantir or in the affairs of the West are just whining from sore losers.

Saruman has put goblins and orcs back to work again and that's why people should be thanking him.

farley3k wrote:

Sauron does provide stability.

Say what you like, at least he got the offal wagons to run on time.

farley3k wrote:

It is kind of amazing (and good) how fast they are falling now.

This happens every election year. If you don't place top three in the first several primaries/caucuses you're campaign is toast. Potential donors will shy away from you and that throws your campaign into a death spiral (if it wasn't already struggling).

This is also why Iowa and New Hampshire--or any practically all white and rural state--shouldn't be the gatekeeping states for Democratic primary. Their populations don't resemble Democratic voters as a whole.

For example, Buttigeg did well in Iowa and New Hampshire, but he's a non-viable national candidate because he's polling within the margin of error of zero among blacks people nationally and they make up a quarter of Democratic voters.

UpToIsomorphism wrote:

Old, but relevant. All reports are (and this has been confirmed by the few staffers I talked to in IA) that Klobuchar treats people like crap.

An exemplar, and the thing that causes me to share this image every time I get a paid ad from her on FB.

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I still think Warren would be a great president, and I am hoping for a Sanders-Warren ticket.

People who treat their subordinates in this manner are not tough. They are insecure about who they are and should not be trusted in positions of leadership, particularly where others depend on their judgement and decency for their survival.

The only world where I vote for Klobuchar is the world where it is her vs Trump.

OG_slinger wrote:

For example, Buttigeg did well in Iowa and New Hampshire, but he's a non-viable national candidate because he's polling within the margin of error of zero among blacks people nationally and they make up a quarter of Democratic voters.

Yep he needs a good ass kicking in South Carolina to set things straight.

Stele wrote:
OG_slinger wrote:

For example, Buttigeg did well in Iowa and New Hampshire, but he's a non-viable national candidate because he's polling within the margin of error of zero among blacks people nationally and they make up a quarter of Democratic voters.

Yep he needs a good ass kicking in South Carolina to set things straight.

That'll teach him.

EDIT: I have to admit a bit of a level of discomfort in the way people talk about Buttigeg. I saw a tweet earlier that pointed out to those excited about Buttigeg's poor performance among black people is pretty directly linked to the fact that a large number of older black voters are unwilling to vote for a gay candidate. I don't really feel great being happy about him losing in part for that reason, particularly knowing that there's a not-small-enough percentage of democrat voters that are fine with that if Buttigeg loses.

South Bend Politician: I Worked with Pete Buttigieg. He Did Not Respect Black Residents’ Struggles

Definitely couldn't have anything to do with the fact that he perpetuated systemic racism while being mayor of a small town. Nah, black people must hate the gays, that's what it is.

trichy wrote:
Stele wrote:
OG_slinger wrote:

For example, Buttigeg did well in Iowa and New Hampshire, but he's a non-viable national candidate because he's polling within the margin of error of zero among blacks people nationally and they make up a quarter of Democratic voters.

Yep he needs a good ass kicking in South Carolina to set things straight.

That'll teach him.

EDIT: I have to admit a bit of a level of discomfort in the way people talk about Buttigeg. I saw a tweet earlier that pointed out to those excited about Buttigeg's poor performance among black people is pretty directly linked to the fact that a large number of older black voters are unwilling to vote for a gay candidate. I don't really feel great being happy about him losing in part for that reason, particularly knowing that there's a not-small-enough percentage of democrat voters that are fine with that if Buttigeg loses.

Yeah, it’s because he’s gay, definitely not the weird, patronizingly racist way he’s dealt with POC’s both before and during the elections.
Sh*t like the NYT article is itself racist, being so eager to pin the problem with Buttigieg’s electability among minorities on the minorities themselves, rather than the glaringly obvious problems with Buttigieg.

nako wrote:

Definitely couldn't have anything to do with the fact that he perpetuated systemic racism while being mayor of a small town. Nah, black people must hate the gays, that's what it is.

Sure, that's definitely part of it. I'm not saying that's the only reason black voters are wary of him, far from it. Hell, it might not even make the top five reasons. But it's definitely a factor, and I think it's naive for us not to recognize and consider that fact.

Well thank god we have sacrosanct Sanders to simultaneously save and destroy the DNC!

trichy wrote:

Sure, that's definitely part of it. I'm not saying that's the only reason black voters are wary of him, far from it. Hell, it might not even make the top five reasons. But it's definitely a factor, and I think it's naive for us not to recognize and consider that fact.

I've heard it said Pete eats cinnabon like a little weird rat man, and I think it's naive for us not to recognize and consider that may be part of why black voters have shied away from him.

fangblackbone wrote:

Well thank god we have sacrosanct Sanders to simultaneously save and destroy the DNC!

En Sabah Nur wrote:

Everything they've built will fall! And from the ashes of their world, we'll build a better one!

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What the hell is up with the way you folks treat each other in this thread?

Go back to your washroom Vector, we are ruining our country here and demand privacy.

boogle wrote:

Go back to your washroom Vector, we are ruining our country here and demand privacy.

How did you know I posted that from the toilet?

OG_slinger wrote:
farley3k wrote:

It is kind of amazing (and good) how fast they are falling now.

This happens every election year. If you don't place top three in the first several primaries/caucuses you're campaign is toast. Potential donors will shy away from you and that throws your campaign into a death spiral (if it wasn't already struggling).

This is also why Iowa and New Hampshire--or any practically all white and rural state--shouldn't be the gatekeeping states for Democratic primary. Their populations don't resemble Democratic voters as a whole.

For example, Buttigeg did well in Iowa and New Hampshire, but he's a non-viable national candidate because he's polling within the margin of error of zero among blacks people nationally and they make up a quarter of Democratic voters.

Great points, and a great post.

ruhk wrote:
trichy wrote:
Stele wrote:
OG_slinger wrote:

For example, Buttigeg did well in Iowa and New Hampshire, but he's a non-viable national candidate because he's polling within the margin of error of zero among blacks people nationally and they make up a quarter of Democratic voters.

Yep he needs a good ass kicking in South Carolina to set things straight.

That'll teach him.

EDIT: I have to admit a bit of a level of discomfort in the way people talk about Buttigeg. I saw a tweet earlier that pointed out to those excited about Buttigeg's poor performance among black people is pretty directly linked to the fact that a large number of older black voters are unwilling to vote for a gay candidate. I don't really feel great being happy about him losing in part for that reason, particularly knowing that there's a not-small-enough percentage of democrat voters that are fine with that if Buttigeg loses.

Yeah, it’s because he’s gay, definitely not the weird, patronizingly racist way he’s dealt with POC’s both before and during the elections.
Sh*t like the NYT article is itself racist, being so eager to pin the problem with Buttigieg’s electability among minorities on the minorities themselves, rather than the glaringly obvious problems with Buttigieg.

Haven't we had extensive conversations in this thread about Biden's incredibly problematic history with racial equality?

Vector wrote:

What the hell is up with the way you folks treat each other in this thread?

Good question

fangblackbone wrote:

Well thank god we have sacrosanct Sanders to simultaneously save and destroy the DNC!

What did Sanders have to do with the mayor Pete discussion? I’m so confused.

In discussing the 'why?' of the African-American vote, I think it's always worth remembering October 2007:

Sen. Hillary Clinton is top choice of black Democrats, poll suggests
Clinton leads Sen. Barack Obama 57 percent to 33 percent among black voters
Clinton support from African-American women at 68 percent
Black men more evenly split between Obama and Clinton

it's easy to see candidates' fortunes as tied to the details of (edits for civility) political commentator arguments when there's maybe something less agenda driven going on.

That said, granting some of the criticisms of Sanders' base just for the sake of argument, it would be a heck of a development if Bernie winds up the nominee because college educated white Democrats wound up splitting the so-called 'centrist' vote down the middle along gender lines while Sanders gets the nomination thanks to votes from people of color.

r013nt0 wrote:

Mayor Pete Platitude Generator

:lol:

This one works.

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Here's a confidence inducing story...

Palm Beach County elections office hit by ransomware before 2016 election

Palm Beach Post wrote:

Weeks before the 2016 election that would usher in Donald Trump as president, the Palm Beach County Supervisor of Elections Office was subject to a ransomware attack, elections supervisor Wendy Sartory Link told The Palm Beach Post on Wednesday.

The attack more than three years ago happened while Susan Bucher was elections supervisor, but Link said she was unsure how the virus infiltrated the system.

“We weren’t part of that, but have we been hacked in Palm Beach County? Yeah, we have,” Link said during an editorial board interview. But Link said she does not believe the ransomware attack against the county is one of the two Russian hacking attempts in Florida revealed in former Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s report last April.

Link, who was appointed to the office in January 2019, learned of the ransomware attack after longtime Information technology director Jeff Darter was fired in conjunction with his November arrest for child porn possession. Link turned to her No. 2 in IT department, Ed Sacerio, to fill the void until another director could be hired.

While Link was speaking to Sacerio about temporarily replacing Darter, he revealed to Link a startling piece of information.

“He said, ‘One thing I don’t know is about ... what happened with the hack we had back (in 2016), to know if that’s still a problem,’” Link recalled Sacerio saying.

“I’m already reeling from the fact that we just lost our IT director, and now you’re telling me that there was a hack that no one bothered to share?” Link said Wednesday.

Sacerio, who has worked at the elections office since 2011, told The Post in an interview that in mid-September 2016, a coworker noticed files “disappearing” from a folder. Sacerio immediately suspected a virus, as some Microsoft Word documents and Excel spreadsheets were encrypted.

He said he doesn’t think the virus impacted any voter information or election results.

As he went to inform Darter, his boss, Sacerio received a call.

“Shut down all the servers!” Darter screamed Sacerio over the phone, he recalled in an interview with The Post. He then ran “blazing” to power the servers down as Darter attempted to safeguard backups.

He wasn’t sure how Darter addressed the problem, as he kept his team at a distance, Sacerio said.

″(Darter) never brought any of the staff into the real conversations,” Sacerio said. “When he was containing the virus, he wouldn’t let us help him.”

But none of it was reported, she said.

“Called the state, they didn’t know about it. FBI didn’t know about it. Homeland (Security) didn’t know about it,” Link said of her outreach to law enforcement agencies after learning about the incident.

r013nt0 wrote:

Mayor Pete Platitude Generator

:lol:

"Mayo Pete" is pretty good. I keep being reminded of Cody Johnston's observance that Pete is a Boomer's ideal Millennial, and Bernie is a Millennial's ideal Boomer.

Good thing millennials' ideals are a lot less selfish than boomers'

DSGamer wrote:
fangblackbone wrote:

Well thank god we have sacrosanct Sanders to simultaneously save and destroy the DNC!

What did Sanders have to do with the mayor Pete discussion? I’m so confused.

LOL when I read the post about "Mayor Pete" (because I can't ever seem to remember how to spell his last name), I thought to myself that it was only a matter of time until someone just took the opportunity to add an unrelated Bernie comment, and then when I looked down, THERE IT WAS!

So since yet again Bernie was peppered into a series of posts that had nothing to do with him, I am reminded I wanted to post.

Why Bernie Is the True Feminist Choice