[Discussion] Presidential impeachment: the good, the bad, the orange

Formal impeachment proceedings were started today. Discuss.

Is it too early too call the multi-Vindman firing the Friday Afternoon Massacre? What about the Day of the Small Hands?

I'm kidding about the last one, of course. Trump is too cowardly to fire someone personally.

Mixolyde wrote:

Is it too early too call the multi-Vindman firing the Friday Afternoon Massacre? What about the Day of the Small Hands?

I'm kidding about the last one, of course. Trump is too cowardly to fire someone personally.

Toadstool and Impeachment’s misadventure.

It seemed way funnier in my head.

What a f*cking asshole. Way to speak up when it is all over. f*cking coward.

Kelly says witness heard 'illegal order,' report says

prompted a Twitter blast from the President later Thursday morning.
"When I terminated John Kelly, which I couldn't do fast enough, he knew full well that he was way over his head. Being Chief of Staff just wasn't for him. He came in with a bang, went out with a whimper, but like so many X's, he misses the action & just can't keep his mouth shut," Trump tweeted.

That's just gross.

Yes but half the country (via their senators) have said that is presidential and ok.

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See, this is so different. He's not asking NY to investigate his political enemies, he's just saying that if the citizens of NY want their full rights, NY has to drop investigations and lawsuits against him.

What's the big deal? They do it all the time.

Seems legit.

Oh that's rich -- Individual 1 tries so hard to imagine himself as Michael, but it was always manifestly obvious that he's really Fredo.

Archangel wrote:

Oh that's rich -- Individual 1 tries so hard to imagine himself as Michael, but it was always manifestly obvious that he's really Fredo.

Maybe just the sh*t in Fredo’s pants. Maybe not even that.

Man, maybe he really did think he did nothing wrong on the phone call with Ukraine. Hanlon and Cipolla are rolling over in their graves.

Oh, he absolutely believes that. His most core belief is that what he does is the absolute most normal and correct thing to do in any given situation, and if anyone tries to tell him that no, that's not normal, or that doesn't make sense, or these facts show why that thing you did is wrong, then his instinctive reaction is to say "No, you're wrong. It's totally normal, anyone in my situation would do exactly that and if they say they wouldn't or didn't, they're obviously lying" or "It makes perfect sense, I'm extremely smart and talented, you just don't understand what I'm doing because I'm smarter than you" or "Your facts are wrong, I know what I know."

That's just the dead center of his being. Lying is easy because he absolutely believes the thing he's saying. Or he knows he's "lying" but it's not really lying, it's strategy, and it doesn't matter if "those" people believe him or not, because they're "those" people.

garion333 wrote:

Man, maybe he really did think he did nothing wrong on the phone call with Ukraine. Hanlon and Cipolla are rolling over in their graves.

That’s what I believe because I believe his thinking goes “I can do nothing wrong, so if I did it then it was right.”

That’s logic, and you can’t argue with logic, so anyone who does argue must be evil and mean.