[Discussion] How to enact Gun Safety

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The scope of this discussion is strictly options or suggestions on HOW to create policy and law and how to implement them in the US so as to reduce the number of guns in the hands of those who intend to use them for criminal purposes.

Whether or not those options should be explored is not under debate. The 2nd Amendment is not under debate nor under discussion. The assumption of the thread is that "gun control" law is necessary at this point and which policies and laws are good to pursue on the basis of putative results.

OG_slinger wrote:

I don't know what the pro-gun crowd were going for, but virtually identical middle-aged white guys carrying tricked out ARs, wearing Ray-Bans, and stuffed into tactical vests like sausage meat into casing isn't the greatest of looks.

I also dug the tacticool helmets. I wonder if they are the real ballistic helmets or just the plastic shells?

Lots of garbage-ass 3-point slings and shitty Tasco knock-off scopes.

Check out this guy on MLK Day

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DSGamer wrote:

Check out this guy on MLK Day

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So much economic anxiety.

The coyote brown Sic Semper Tyranus is a nice touch.

"Angry Staff Officer" (@pptsapper) had a pretty good comment on the tacticool costume guys:

Text from one of my NCOs:

"The Virginia protest is cosplay for the 'I would've joined, but I'd punch a drill sergeant' crowd"

DSGamer wrote:

Check out this guy on MLK Day

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Honestly, this is perfect. It neatly summarizes this man's understanding of both gun control and racism in America.

Wow, the persecution complex on display at this protest was real. The whole thing got significant coverage over here as a sad curiosity which kind of undermines the seriousness of the situation. I'm just glad none of these brave freedom fighters decided to make a point with their symbols of rugged individuality.

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Let me guess - the person arrested wasn't white?

Rallick wrote:

Let me guess - the person arrested wasn't white?

A woman. Ethnicity not listed.

Jeez. The endzone dances of all the holster sniffers on Facebook over not having a riot in Richmond is pretty comical. Never have I seen such celebrating over clearing the low bar of not being another Charlottesville.

This week's Worst Year Ever podcast is a bleakly sobering look at how organized and self-delusional the far right actually is.

I just had to point out to someone that characterizing this clear and stated act of political intimidation as "non violent" is as asinine and specious as saying that an armed robbery was "peaceful" because the victim complied.

Jonman wrote:

This week's Worst Year Ever podcast is a bleakly sobering look at how organized and self-delusional the far right actually is.

Yeah that was a hard listen. Here’s the thing - based on my conversations with my right leaning military buddies there were enough normal gun owners who attended the rally that there was plausible deniability for the extremists unlike Charlottesville. And the media should have done a much better job interviewing the legislators who had to go into hiding due to death threats.

jdzappa wrote:
Jonman wrote:

This week's Worst Year Ever podcast is a bleakly sobering look at how organized and self-delusional the far right actually is.

Yeah that was a hard listen. Here’s the thing - based on my conversations with my right leaning military buddies there were enough normal gun owners who attended the rally that there was plausible deniability for the extremists unlike Charlottesville. And the media should have done a much better job interviewing the legislators who had to go into hiding due to death threats.

I haven’t had a chance to listen to the most recent Worst Year Ever, but the episode of Knowledge Fight covering the end of last week is basically about how Alex Jones spent the latter part of that week getting people wound up and ready for violence at the rally while simultaneously saying that any actual violence at the rally will be antifa supersoldiers trying to false flag the event and “responsible gun owners” should act accordingly. f*cking madness.

I Don't Speak German had a good episode with David Neiwert as the guest about the same bunch of clowns and their "Boogaloo" civil war dreams. Neiwert's been covering far-right extremism of various kinds for years and is a good source on this stuff.

Folks who have known me a while are pretty aware that I used to be a pretty avid amateur shooter. There have been years where I went over 10k rounds when I was still training and taking classes. I generally averaged about 4-5k rounds for over a decade.

I found it cheaper and easier to purchase ammunition in bulk at gun shows. I didn't have the time, space, or interest in reloading. I wasn't going to pay gun store retail. And shipping for boxes of lead pretty much ate up any discount you would get for purchasing in bulk. That was when gun shows were pretty much just swap meets for folks looking for that obscure part for your granddad's Sears 12g that you accidentally ran over with the lawnmower.

Something happened though around 20 some years ago though and gun shows went from gatherings of shooting and militaria hobbyists to mobs of smug white supremacists giving each other "secret" hand signals and hanging signs or wearing patches that romanticized genocide and civil war. And the fact that even well meaning white folks I knew and shot with seemed entirely comfortable with this association between gun rights and the Caucasian version of Pol Pot pretty much let me know that for all the 2nd Amendment talk about "opposing tyranny", there wouldn't be a white guy in that room that would lift a finger if the truck came around to take me to a death camp.

That's when I knew I was out.

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