Doctor Who *Spoilers Abound! We've lost Containment*

So far it's...okay?

I don't think part one holds up but maybe I will think better of it after part 2 comes out.

Agreed. I'm not sure the actor playing the villian has the chops to pull off that character. The other story bits weren't really compelling. I think Chibnall needs to be replaced.

farley3k wrote:

I have been trying to watch the Peter Capaldi run and dang I don't like him so I skipped to the "Twice Upon a Time" one where he meets the first doctor so I could see him regenerate. Happy to skip his era.

Capaldi in 8 and Capaldi in 9 and 10 are pretty different. Like Patrick Stewart in TNG, it took a little time to let the actor's own warmth influence the character.

There’s always a timeframe you have to wait for the new doctor to click for you. Matt Smith didn’t feel like the doctor to me until the Christmas special. I can’t remember exactly when Peter Capaldi first clicked for me, but it took a while because his personality was so jarring and different from the previous three.

Baron Of Hell wrote:

I don't think part one holds up but maybe I will think better of it after part 2 comes out.

bighoppa wrote:

Agreed. I'm not sure the actor playing the villian has the chops to pull off that character. The other story bits weren't really compelling. I think Chibnall needs to be replaced.

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Missy was just so much fun and deliciously evil, she's pretty much an impossible act to follow for anyone, but I agree, the little we saw of O-as-Master seemed a bit lacking. Maybe he regenerates in part 2.

It feels like they're trying to do something where the "aliens/spies" are self-aware network nodes, and they're all in some kind of virtual reality. Maybe the Master has expanded the Nethersphere to allow complete destruction and recreation of person. The downloaded-into-a-simulation side of the story I'm OK with.
If it turns out the Master is corrupting the first fledgling sentient AIs, I'll be disappointed. If he was behind them, maybe not as much.

You guys are the only ones I've seen say anything negitive about it. Personally I loved it, ripping off James Bond, some great lines. I still feel like Ryan is the weakest link, 3 companions is too many and he gets some truly daft lines (yes we can see it's a plane Ryan!)

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As for the reveal, that was masterful (pardon the pun). The fact he switched on a 6 pence when he was rumbled by The Doctor, and the major point, how the hell did the BBC keep that under wraps considering all the spoilers that normally slip the net. At first I thought it was because I wasn't in that community as such but even those in the know didn't see it coming. Now lets hope they don't mess it up like they did with Dark Water (bloody Danny Pink)

Well I didn't dislike it. I like the current Doctor and her companions. As much as I liked dour Capaldi, Whittaker's enthusiasm is a refreshing change and even a little contagious. I just have some trepidation about where the first story might be headed.

deftly wrote:
Baron Of Hell wrote:

I don't think part one holds up but maybe I will think better of it after part 2 comes out.

bighoppa wrote:

Agreed. I'm not sure the actor playing the villian has the chops to pull off that character. The other story bits weren't really compelling. I think Chibnall needs to be replaced.

Spoiler:

Missy was just so much fun and deliciously evil, she's pretty much an impossible act to follow for anyone, but I agree, the little we saw of O-as-Master seemed a bit lacking. Maybe he regenerates in part 2.

It feels like they're trying to do something where the "aliens/spies" are self-aware network nodes, and they're all in some kind of virtual reality. Maybe the Master has expanded the Nethersphere to allow complete destruction and recreation of person. The downloaded-into-a-simulation side of the story I'm OK with.
If it turns out the Master is corrupting the first fledgling sentient AIs, I'll be disappointed. If he was behind them, maybe not as much.

Just from how he was acting,

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I don't think this Master is Missy's regeneration. After the reveal, this version of the character acts VERY reminiscent of John Simm's manic, wild-eyed Master rather than Michelle Gomez's sarcastic, collected Missy... I think he's either the regeneration linking Simm's Master and Missy. or one of them. There could be several regenerations between the two. It's entirely possible he regenerates INTO Missy as an excuse to bring her back. They could even say the Master was inspired by The Doctor's regeneration.
(this is assuming we haven't seen Missy's original regeneration, I don't think I remember seeing Simm's Master regenerate at the end of the episode where Missy shanks him, but it's also been a couple years)

Spoiler:

I believe that canonically, to date Missy is the most recent regeneration. It was Derek Jacobi (briefly), then Simm then ? then Missy.

This definitely feels like an earlier master to me. Either pre Jacobi or post Simm/pre Missy.

Daaaaang. Episode 2 was pretty good!

It does rather upset the status quo since the 50th, though.

I dug them both, tho' they both got a little hectic and Moffat-y at times. Still been enjoying Jodie Whittaker's take on the doctor, feels a bit like somewhere between Tennant and Smith.

Well, my guess was WAAAY off. I failed to comprehend that the house was the Master's TARDIS at the end of part one. I liked it overall, although I don't think they adequately explained the Kasaavins.

How many times is that planet going to get blown up?

I enjoyed both episodes, but my wife thought they were wayyyyy too convoluted.

Side note, we switched to the new Danger Mouse immediately after, and she said that was WAY better than Doctor Who.

Bill and Ted did it better

onewild wrote:

Bill and Ted did it better

And they Face the Music This Year! Yay!

IMAGE(https://img.cinemablend.com/filter:scale/quill/0/8/8/f/d/0/088fd0d7540435368a5c4cadb27d37589c20ff46.jpg?mw=600)

What's this about a new Danger Mouse?

Anyway, I watched both parts tonight and enjoyed the ride, but I do hope some episodes this season will take a moment or two to breathe.

The show was rebooted in 2015, and it's amaaaaaazing.

https://m.imdb.com/title/tt4196822/

In the US here we watch it on Netflix.

ooooof. I mean i liked this episode overall (the scene with the old guy outside the transport and his two questions - brilliant!) , and I obviously like it's message but.... ooof. That was the clumsiest way of addressing it at the end of the episode. Might as well have been one of those things tacked on to the end of a He-Man episode.

pyxistyx wrote:

ooooof. I mean i liked this episode overall (the scene with the old guy outside the transport and his two questions - brilliant!) , and I obviously like it's message but.... ooof. That was the clumsiest way of addressing it at the end of the episode. Might as well have been one of those things tacked on to the end of a He-Man episode.

I... Kind of hated the episode, and that's not a feeling I'm used to with Doctor Who.

I also hated the final lecture, but i think what bugged me was that it felt disconnected from the plot and characters leading up to it. There was a tossed off bit earlier about how Kane was building it all for Bella. That could've been the lynchpin. An older generation inflicting massive destruction calling it progress, claiming it's for a younger generation that doesn't want it while not listening to them at all... But the show seemed more focused on the typical base under siege plot points than the theme.

The Benny thing didn't really make sense. Why would the monsters keep him alive? Why would the monsters bring him to the van? Why would the monster let him ask his questions instead of killing him?

There was a problem with the speech that time can always be changed. Many times throughout the series including the Rosa Parks episode the doctor said certain things can not be changed. Why can multiple alien invasion take place but they can't remove slavery or save a grand mother. I know that is just who, consistently inconsistent.

I had other problems with the episode but didn't hate it. I liked Ryan's background reactions of getting attacked by bats. I liked the ideas of the episode.

I think this episode needed two episode to flesh it out or they should have dropped the mother daughter plot or the idea it was earth and those damn dirty apes blew it up. Wait the humans did that not the apes.

So the monsters were called the Dregs, and they literally were the dregs of humanity.

Yeah it as a pretty awful episode (although both my sister and bf quite liked it). None of the extra characters were interesting and there were like 5 sub plots going off. The creatures were pretty much the only highlight.
There were multiple "oh please won't you cry, look how sad this is" moments that were terrible.

In short Planet of the Apes did it better.

YOWZERS! This episode has definitely made up for the last couple! :O

Well not sure what I just watched apart from the fan service bit.

Spoiler:

I groaned when Captain Jack appeared, like really do we need him back? And I assumed it was an alt universe thing going on but now I'm hearing it's meant to be a new "first doctor" which is really daft.

Remember the Doctor never uses guns, apart from all those times he has...

I really liked this episode but it was kind of crazy. Loved having captain jack back but wish we had more of him. I guess all his stuff is setup for a cyberman episode. I wonder if the new doctor is the next doctor. Could be War Doctor memory thing going on that would explain why she doesn't remember herself.

Baron Of Hell wrote:

I really liked this episode but it was kind of crazy. Loved having captain jack back but wish we had more of him. I guess all his stuff is setup for a cyberman episode. I wonder if the new doctor is the next doctor. Could be War Doctor memory thing going on that would explain why she doesn't remember herself.

The thing is that the Tardis is clearly meant to be the very first Tardis interior. My money is on this being a parallel universe Doctor... we haven‘t had a parallel universe story since the first David Tennant season if my memory serves me right...
I didn’t see Captain Jack coming and l at least am looking forward to seeing more of him... though his reintroduction feels particularly random indeed...

Doctor... Ruth... why did it just click right now?