NFL 2019: Week 3

TheGameguru wrote:

I did some expert analysis of the Eagles last 10 drafts after Sunday's debacle.. I made my case that the Eagles should really trade draft picks for established players because they suck at it.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...

Yeah, been pretty bad early on for them.

Derek Barnett has yet to show anything other than being a good run defender, which would be fine if he wasn't supposed to be a pass rusher. His pass rushing is apparently not developing. He wasn't a combine killer and isn't built like a typical pass rusher, so it was all about how he produced against good competition. And he's not developing, quite yet.

You all remember how Marshon Lattimore came into the league and was immediately a shutdown corner? He isn't anymore. Dude has given up the most yards on the season. QBs are 20/27 for 341 yds when throwing his direction. I don't know if they're leaving him on an island too much or what but either he's playing hurt or the Saints need to change things up.

Also, what in the world has happened to Stefon Diggs? I realize that the Vikes aren't into throwing the ball, but he's been an absolute no show. Possible trade bait if they keep losing?

garion333 wrote:

You all remember how Marshon Lattimore came into the league and was immediately a shutdown corner? He isn't anymore. Dude has given up the most yards on the season. QBs are 20/27 for 341 yds when throwing his direction. I don't know if they're leaving him on an island too much or what but either he's playing hurt or the Saints need to change things up.

He's got a 58.5 grade this season on PFF, good for 66th among qualifying cornerbacks.

At week 3 everything is heavily biased against who you have played so far. I don't think you can get a real judge of performance until something like after week 6 or 7.

Gnomey, that's such a generalized statement I don't know how to respond.

As far as Lattimore, he's given up almost as many yards as his rookie year and half as many yards through three games as his entire second year (where I'm sure he was left more to his own than his rookie season).

Will he suddenly be the shutdown guy he used to be? Maybe. But so far, he's been abysmal.

BTW, last season he wasn't graded anywhere near as well as his rookie year. He may be trending the wrong way.

I believe what Gnome is saying is that Lattimore may have faced 3 great WRs in his first three games. He did face DeAndre Hopkins at least. He also has faced Russell WIlson, Deshaun Watson, and Jared Goff. If he'd faced Eli Manning, Ryan Fitzpatrick/Josh Rosen, and the trio of Jets QBs his stats probably would be better. 17 games is a pretty small sample size already and 3 games against 3 arguably great quarterbacks (Goff may not be great at this point but he runs a very prolific offense) may not be a great indicator of his full year.

Sure, I get that, but it was so generalized I still don't know how to respond.

For instance, week 1 against Houston he gave up 45 yards. That's great! He gave up five catches, but they were all short.

Week 2 was the Rams, which are obviously a challenge. This was his worst game of his career as he gave up 142 yards on 5 catches. When Goff threw at Lattimore he had a perfect passer rating.

Week 3 against Seattle he gave up a ton of yardage on 10/13 passes. Statistically, it was more in line with week 1, but the volume was much higher.

He's being targeted, a lot, and he's not doing a terribly great job. Yes, all tough assignments, but a really rough three game stretch that is pretty awful.

More of what's going wrong in Cleveland:

See, it's the "We have OBJ, let's feed him the ball" mentality and not "let's do what works" mentality. I really thought Freddie would be better than this.

This time last year, Kitchens was a running backs coach.

Now he's not only a head coach, but a play-calling head coach.

It's almost as if half a year of being an interim offensive coordinator isn't quite enough experience for making that big of a jump. There's a pretty small list of head coaches that I would call effective game-day playcallers, and just about all of them had distinguished careers as offensive coordinators.

Calling plays on gameday is a bit different when you're also responsible for everything else too.

Yeah, I won't be surprised if Monken is given play calling duties soon.

*Legion* wrote:

This time last year, Kitchens was a running backs coach.

Now he's not only a head coach, but a play-calling head coach.

It's almost as if half a year of being an interim offensive coordinator isn't quite enough experience for making that big of a jump. There's a pretty small list of head coaches that I would call effective game-day playcallers, and just about all of them had distinguished careers as offensive coordinators.

Calling plays on gameday is a bit different when you're also responsible for everything else too.

I really wanted us to make Kitchens an overpaid OC and Assistant HC under Bruce Arians. But hey, it isn't like he is stupid enough to call the same play on four straight 4-goal. Or run a draw on 4-9. Well, at least the team is playing a clean gain with few penalties. Right?

How the hell did that article compare Fangio and Tomsula and completely gloss over the fact that Tomsula was hired for that 49ers head coaching job over Fangio, who was the defensive coordinator Tomsula was working under, and who was looking to make the move up to head coach and considered himself an obvious candidate for the now-vacant job?

It was getting passed over for the job in favor of Tomsula that caused Fangio to leave SF. There is way more beef to talk about there.

Is this step before or after "call your coach a craka ass cracka" in the flow chart?

Browns would be at least 2-1 with Tomsula (he would either have made them not shoot themselves in the foot against Tenn or would have had someone call plays that would at least be better than Ask Madden).

Hakim Laws continues to be the best example of a Philly fan.

"He got it the first time.." Lowers shades

Imagine if Philly gets to the Super Bowl, Agholor gets him tickets, and then they lose on an Agholor dropped TD.

Dante Pettis apparently suffered a pectoral injury in camp which he has been working his way back from, and which Kyle Shanahan had not revealed until now. Pettis got the start this week and caught the game-winning TD, after having limited snap counts the first couple of weeks.

Paleocon wrote:

Is this step before or after "call your coach a craka ass cracka" in the flow chart?

Maybe he'll just phone Ukraine.

Melvin Gordon is supposedly reporting to the Chargers tomorrow. He, uh, maybe lost most of his leverage seeing as Austin Ekeler is THE MAN.