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He's going to really be mad when he realizes that somebody didn't replace the toilet paper when it ran out.

Bit out of character for Deadpool to poop in an actual toilet.

Legion:

That was a thing that happened. Also, whoever designed the look and motion of the evil time cat things should get an Emmy.

Finally got around to seeing Far From Home before it left theaters, thanks to a forgotten Christmas Fandango gift card. Enjoyed the movie, especially the stingers. I loved that Tony Stark had one of the best lines (the name of Peter's tactical AI) despite his absence. The illusion fight vs Spider-Man was mind blowing, though the bad guy gang didn't really seem capable of pulling that off on the fly. Good thing he eventually got a handle on his Peter Tingle. I have to wonder if Chuck Tingle saw this movie, and if so, what he thought about the Peter Tingle.

Rat Boy wrote:

Legion:

That was a thing that happened. Also, whoever designed the look and motion of the evil time cat things should get an Emmy.

Or rather

Spoiler:

didn't happen. Liked so much about the show except the final retcon.

IGN is reporting that spider-man will no longer be part of the MCU. Sony and Disney were not able to come to a deal. Disney wanted 50% of the profits. Sony was like F that.

Baron Of Hell wrote:

IGN is reporting that spider-man will no longer be part of the MCU. Sony and Disney were not able to come to a deal. Disney wanted 50% of the profits. Sony was like F that.

I think Variety or somewhere I read had an update from Sony saying they were still negotiating.

If they make movies on the quality of Venom with Spiderman, I think this will be a mistake for Sony.

Everybody's tried to copy's Marvel's formula for establishing a universe. The only universe that's had any kind of real success seems to be Fast and Furious. I'm hoping I'm wrong, but Sony doesn't seem to have the ability to do it either based on their history.

I'm seeing a lot of comments that apparently originate from a dimension where Into the Spider-verse doesn't exist. A truly hellish dystopian waste that must be, one where the only Spider-Man movies have Iron Man awkwardly inserted into them.

SpacePPoliceman wrote:

I'm seeing a lot of comments that apparently originate from a dimension where Into the Spider-verse doesn't exist. A truly hellish dystopian waste that must be, one where the only Spider-Man movies have Iron Man awkwardly inserted into them.

Huh?

Into the Spider-Verse was incredible. I honestly thought it deserved the overall best picture Oscar. Sony should keep making those movies and let Marvel helm the live action films.

Do you sincerely think the success of Spider-Verse will translate into their live action films?

DSGamer wrote:

Do you sincerely think the success of Spider-Verse will translate into their love action films?

I'm quoting this before it's fixed. I want to see the Spider-Verse love action

MannishBoy wrote:
DSGamer wrote:

Do you sincerely think the success of Spider-Verse will translate into their love action films?

I'm quoting this before it's fixed. I want to see the Spider-Verse love action :)

lol

MannishBoy wrote:
DSGamer wrote:

Do you sincerely think the success of Spider-Verse will translate into their love action films?

I'm quoting this before it's fixed. I want to see the Spider-Verse love action :)

I bet Miles does too...

*Smooth Voice* "Hey"

Sony's had more misses than hits with Spider-Man. Venom was terrible, and ITSV, although very good, but was a bit overrated and didn’t perform nearly as well as it needed to.

I’m not optimistic for the next live action films with Sony at the helm.

My $0.02

DSGamer wrote:

Do you sincerely think the success of Spider-Verse will translate into their live action films?

I think that would be silly to predict. But I sincerely think the answer to "What will they do without Fiege!?" is "Well, probably something more interesting and unique than having Tony Poochie-ing all over everything or losing him in the shuffle with 40 other characters."

SpacePPoliceman wrote:
DSGamer wrote:

Do you sincerely think the success of Spider-Verse will translate into their live action films?

I think that would be silly to predict. But I sincerely think the answer to "What will they do without Fiege!?" is "Well, probably something more interesting and unique than having Tony Poochie-ing all over everything or losing him in the shuffle with 40 other characters."

Because their history shows this will most of the other Spiderman and Venom stuff?

I don't know that I'd call the Amazing Spider-Man duology more interesting or unique than the MCU Spider-Man (apparent) duology.

I was going to say it'll be interesting to see what happens with the MCU but they'll likely just write him off as being in hiding somewhere and then either never mention him again or bring him back when Disney purchases Sony.

Read another article that said they're still negotiating. It seems Disney wanted to change the agreement from 0% to 50%.

Sony probably thought they could make at least 51% by themselves and walked away as a negotiating tactic.

If they've lost the rights to him, the MCU probably won't even be able to mention him.

Poor Happy. And after losing Tony, too.

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I hope they come to an agreement because Sony really sucks at making Spider-Man movies.

I really don't blame Sony. Going from Disney taking something like 5% of first dollar gross to wanting 50% is pretty crazy.

But if the take was $10 you only pay them .50

With Disney's better stories your gross is say $100 and you have to give them 50%

Sure Disney is taking a lot - $50!

But in the first scenario Sony's profit is $9.50, in the second it is $50

Who cares is Disney takes more if Sony makes more?

If only the numbers backed that up.

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/franch...

Look at the worldwide gross at the bottom. Spider-Man 3 was a piece of crap but it made more than Homecoming, not even adjusted for inflation.

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Stele wrote:

If only the numbers backed that up.

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/franch...

Look at the worldwide gross at the bottom. Spider-Man 3 was a piece of crap but it made more than Homecoming, not even adjusted for inflation.

Well that is just depressing.

Is that basically Disney's position? "You don't know how to hire writers and you'll never figure it out. Pay us a billion dollars and we'll subcontract ours out to you."

Kevin Feige does good work and all, but that's a bitter pill for Sony to swallow.

Agathos wrote:

Is that basically Disney's position? "You don't know how to hire writers and you'll never figure it out. Pay us a billion dollars and we'll subcontract ours out to you."

Kevin Feige does good work and all, but that's a bitter pill for Sony to swallow.

I think it's also the tie in to the biggest series of movies in history that helps hedge the Spiderverse against going off the rails like it has in the past. Lots of us really enjoy the bigger world the MCU brings. Having Happy Hogan and having Spider Man struggle with Tony's death in Far From Home gave the movie extra significance to me, and made me like it that much more.

Or you can have dialogue like this:

Do the timestamps work in Youtube here again? Go to 2:27.

farley3k wrote:

But if the take was $10 you only pay them .50

With Disney's better stories your gross is say $100 and you have to give them 50%

Sure Disney is taking a lot - $50!

But in the first scenario Sony's profit is $9.50, in the second it is $50

Who cares is Disney takes more if Sony makes more?

Sony clearly does. There's probably also a pride factor coming into play. Far From Home is Sony's highest grossing film ever, and regardless of how accurate it is, the idea that Disney's more responsible for it than Sony has got to be galling. Reportedly Disney wanted to extend the deal to all Spider-Man related movies as well, not just the MCU ones, which would probably be enough to kill the deal even without moving to a 50/50 split from 95/5.
As poor a reception as Venom got, it has earned $856 million to date. Into the Spiderverse has only earned $356 million so far, but it also won an Academy Award. Sony thinking is that now that they've been set on the path to success with Homecoming and Far From Home, they can continue being successful even without Marvel.
Personally I'd prefer to keep Sony and Marvel working together to make the best Spider-man movies they can, but I can't blame Sony for balking at the Disney's demand.

But they would also share 50% of the production costs AND still have Kevin Feige from Marvel in charge of producing the Spiderman movies. Without him or someone like him Sony will just produce more flops. He has produced more successful movies than almost any other producer in history.

I'm not really hyped up for the Phase 4 lineup as it stands. Hopefully it surprises me and ends up being the best Marvel movies to date.

I see Sony has a strong plan for Spiderman to make money