[News] Trump, Russia, and the 2016 Election

All news related to Donald Trump's alleged ties to Russia and to the Russian interference in the 2016 Presidential election. New details should be cited to reputable sources.

Jayhawker wrote:

I would absolutely support an investigation into how all of the voting machine decisions went down, going back to Diebold's actions in Ohio 20 years ago.

Mother Jones, from 2004: Diebold’s Political Machine: Political insiders suggest Ohio could become as decisive this year as Florida was four years ago. Which is why the state’s plan to use paperless touch-screen voting machines has so many up in arms.

At a trade fair held recently here in Columbus, a wide range of companies seeking to fill that void demonstrated technologies that could easily and cheaply provide paper receipts for ballots. One such product, called TruVote, provides two separate voting receipts. The first is shown under plexiglass, and displays the choices made by a vote on the touch screen. This copy falls into a lockbox after the voter approves it. The second is provided to the voter. TruVote is already attracting fans, among them Brooks Thomas, Tennessee’s Coordinator of Elections. “I’ve not seen anything that compares to [the] TruVote validation system.” Georgia’s Assistant Secretary of State, Terrell L. Slayton, Jr., calls the device is the “perfect solution.” But Blackwell argues the campaign for a paper ballot trail for Ohio is an attempt to “derail” reform. He says he’ll comply with the demand only if Congress mandates it.

Fwiw, where I live in Ohio it's a paper ballot that's scanned in. I'm sure digital only places exist, but where I am we're still paper.

garion333 wrote:
Jayhawker wrote:

I would absolutely support an investigation into how all of the voting machine decisions went down, going back to Diebold's actions in Ohio 20 years ago.

Mother Jones, from 2004: Diebold’s Political Machine: Political insiders suggest Ohio could become as decisive this year as Florida was four years ago. Which is why the state’s plan to use paperless touch-screen voting machines has so many up in arms.

At a trade fair held recently here in Columbus, a wide range of companies seeking to fill that void demonstrated technologies that could easily and cheaply provide paper receipts for ballots. One such product, called TruVote, provides two separate voting receipts. The first is shown under plexiglass, and displays the choices made by a vote on the touch screen. This copy falls into a lockbox after the voter approves it. The second is provided to the voter. TruVote is already attracting fans, among them Brooks Thomas, Tennessee’s Coordinator of Elections. “I’ve not seen anything that compares to [the] TruVote validation system.” Georgia’s Assistant Secretary of State, Terrell L. Slayton, Jr., calls the device is the “perfect solution.” But Blackwell argues the campaign for a paper ballot trail for Ohio is an attempt to “derail” reform. He says he’ll comply with the demand only if Congress mandates it.

Fwiw, where I live in Ohio it's a paper ballot that's scanned in. I'm sure digital only places exist, but where I am we're still paper.

I remember using an all digital machine in Indiana for 2002. That thing was a POS.

Quintin_Stone wrote:

NC has scanned paper ballots.

Wake County does. A lot of counties have electronic machines with no paper trail. The NC Board of Elections is actually meeting this Sunday (after multiple delays) to approve new voting machines for next year's elections. This is in order to fulfull the requirements of a 2013 law that de-certifies any voting machine without a paper trail at the end of this year.

Ah, didn't realize I was special.

Quintin_Stone wrote:

Ah, didn't realize I was special.

In my Western NC county, we have touchscreens that produce a paper scroll inside the machine that you can see being printed. I always intentionally vote the opposite way on one race and then make a change just to feel a little more confident that the paper copy reflects my actual choices.

SC is digital only. I vote but have no confidence that my vote is correctly counted.

I guess so long as it's not Georgia on your mind....

I don't think I've ever seen a digital-only ballot, but then I've always lived in that special place where Stone lives.

I'm pretty sure NC is the State where Republican counties had the setup where if you had an illegal ballot (ie more than one vote for a slot, etc) it immediately told you so that you could fill out a fresh ballot. The Dem counties had a system where it happily took your ballot and filed it away so that it wouldn't be counted. I like the method that they use for the white people, we should do that everywhere.

edit: wrong thread

edit 2: might as well post an actual news story:

Politico: Majority of House Democrats now support impeachment inquiry: Pelosi will now face increased pressure to back impeachment proceedings.

The impeachment dam has broken.

More than half of House Democrats say they would vote to launch impeachment proceedings against President Donald Trump, a crucial threshold that backers said will require Speaker Nancy Pelosi to reconsider her steadfast opposition.

Though Pelosi has given no indication that even a significant majority of House Democrats embracing impeachment proceedings would shift her view, supporters of an inquiry argue that crossing the halfway mark among the caucus isa symbolic boost that could shift the political dynamic.

“The president’s repeated abuses have brought American democracy to a perilous crossroads," said Rep. Eliot Engel (D-N.Y.), chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, who announced his support on Tuesday. "Following the guidance of the Constitution — which I have sworn to uphold — is the only way to achieve justice."

House Dems reach impeachment milestone

More than 50% of House Democrats now publicly support an impeachment inquiry into President Trump, putting new pressure on party leaders

CNN: US extracted top spy from inside Russia in 2017

Washington (CNN)In a previously undisclosed secret mission in 2017, the United States successfully extracted from Russia one of its highest-level covert sources inside the Russian government, multiple Trump administration officials with direct knowledge told CNN.

A person directly involved in the discussions said that the removal of the Russian was driven, in part, by concerns that President Donald Trump and his administration repeatedly mishandled classified intelligence and could contribute to exposing the covert source as a spy.

The decision to carry out the extraction occurred soon after a May 2017 meeting in the Oval Office in which Trump discussed highly classified intelligence with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and then-Russian Ambassador to the US Sergey Kislyak. The intelligence, concerning ISIS in Syria, had been provided by Israel.

The removal happened at a time of wide concern in the intelligence community about mishandling of intelligence by Trump and his administration. Those concerns were described to CNN by five sources who served in the Trump administration, intelligence agencies and Congress.

Those concerns continued to grow in the period after Trump's Oval Office meeting with Kislyak and Lavrov. Weeks after the decision to extract the spy, in July 2017, Trump met privately with Russian President Vladimir Putin at the G20 summit in Hamburg and took the unusual step of confiscating the interpreter's notes. Afterward, intelligence officials again expressed concern that the President may have improperly discussed classified intelligence with Russia, according to an intelligence source with knowledge of the intelligence community's response to the Trump-Putin meeting.

Knowledge of the Russian covert source's existence was highly restricted within the US government and intelligence agencies. According to one source, there was "no equal alternative" inside the Russian government, providing both insight and information on Putin.

CNN is withholding several details about the spy to reduce the risk of the person's identification.
The secret removal of the high-level Russian asset has left the US without one of its key sources on the inner workings of the Kremlin and the plans and thinking of the Russian president at a time when tensions between the two nations have been growing. The US intelligence community considers Russia one of the two greatest threats to US national security, along with China.

"The impact would be huge because it is so hard to develop sources like that in any denied area, particularly Russia, because the surveillance and security there is so stringent," a former senior intelligence official told CNN. "You can't reacquire a capability like that overnight."

Can't wait to hear the sound of crickets coming from all those Republicans who worship at the altar of national security.

OG_slinger wrote:

Can't wait to hear the sound of crickets coming from all those Republicans who worship at the altar of national security.

They have a long-standing proficiency with the tiniest of violins. Remember Valerie Plame?

Jonman wrote:
OG_slinger wrote:

Can't wait to hear the sound of crickets coming from all those Republicans who worship at the altar of national security.

They have a long-standing proficiency with the tiniest of violins. Remember Valerie Plame?

No kidding. It always incensed me that revealing her role made the general public shrug.

firesloth wrote:
Jonman wrote:
OG_slinger wrote:

Can't wait to hear the sound of crickets coming from all those Republicans who worship at the altar of national security.

They have a long-standing proficiency with the tiniest of violins. Remember Valerie Plame?

No kidding. It always incensed me that revealing her role made the general public shrug.

Yeah. But the general public can’t do a whole lot about it either. What about the Democrats? Why the hell don't THEY do anything. They have the power to do something and it’s their duty. Even if an average schmoe like me staged the biggest protest possible it still wouldn’t mean sh*t.