Marvel Media (Spoiler Thread)

Nevin73 wrote:

With all of the hand wringing over who was lost in Endgame, I just realized that no one is crying about the loss of

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Vision.

Scarlet Witch was.

Quintin_Stone wrote:
Nevin73 wrote:

With all of the hand wringing over who was lost in Endgame, I just realized that no one is crying about the loss of

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Vision.

Scarlet Witch was.

The whole Vision plot from Infinity bugged me that it was completely dropped.

farley3k wrote:

I wondered if the TV show would be like the Black Widow movie - ie before the events of the last movies.

Doesn't give them a ton of time between Wanda and him meeting and him dying but still enough for a season or two.

Rumors are the Wanda Vision series has a 50's asthetic. Which combined with what has supposedly been done in the comics sounds like she may be twisting reality to create the perfect world with him.

So I think it's going to be post End Game, but in a twisted reality.

I wonder if they could use that to sort of create a reverse House of M story line to introduce mutants?

Just saw Far from Home. It was... Eh?

The first half is much better than the second, being more anchored in Peter as a high school student, which was the best part about Homecoming. But the battles were a lot of noise, and I found myself bored. I don't think it helps that Homecoming was as good as it was, and that the last Spiderman movie we saw was a psychedelic masterpiece. This felt aggressively fine.

I'm all for new stories and perspectives, but I'm not sure what would compel me to go out and watch Spider-Man mourn Iron Prick when I can just put "What Up Danger" on repeat for free at home.

I loved it. It was a nice continuation to the MCU. The Spider-Man movies really lean into the universe and the stinger was a huge payoff in this regard. The origin of the villains was particularly brilliant too.

This movie was way funnier than the first one too.

I just watched Spider-verse and really enjoyed it. I loved all the cultural references (the ones I caught, anyway), the scene-for-scene callbacks to the earlier movies, and the excellent variety in origin stories, though honestly the ending fell a bit flat for me. I'll gladly watch a sequel if one is made.

A revolutionary Oscar winning movie that redefines feature film animation and invented all kinds of crazy techniques to make every frame look hand drawn and look like it was lifted off the page of a physical comic book... that's a tough act to follow.

If you get a chance to watch the Spiderverse extras, DO IT. The lengths they went to are remarkable. For all I know they're available on YouTube.

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It's a chance for them to redo his look, I hope. Of all the Marvel characters, I thought he was the one most poorly translated from page to screen.

Hangdog wrote:

It's a chance for them to redo his look, I hope. Of all the Marvel characters, I thought he was the one most poorly translated from page to screen.

He being Mysterio?

I saw Far From Home last night, and overall I enjoyed it. I suspect it holds up a bit better on a second viewing given everything we learn by the end. However, my big complaint with it is:

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The plot really asks us to invest in Peter's relationship with Mysterio and to accept Mysterio as a hero from another timeline. But we, as the audience, have every reason to doubt that. There's been no multiverse prior to this, and we know Mysterio is a villain with illusion powers. So you're basically stuck watching Peter and everyone have what looks like a case of the stupids for half the film.

It makes sense when you think about what they know, but we know better, and we turn out to have been right all along. It makes the whole experience both frustrating and predictable.

By comparison, Captain Marvel really pulled the rug out from under comic book readers by inverting the dynamic between the Kree and the Skrull. Even better, that reveal works just as well if you're not familiar with those races from the comics. It's just a gradual unfolding of knowledge that's unexpected for everyone, whereas the only surprise in Far From Home for anyone already familiar with Mysterio is how he creates his illusions.

I expect that we'll eventually find out that:

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The guy who spun up the fictional narrative for Mysterio about Earth-616 and such will, in fact, be revealed as someone from another version of Earth. The information was too specific to just be tossed out there as a joke.

I also enjoyed Far From Home, and thought it was a good passing of the torch from Iron Man. I enjoyed Happy's interactions with Peter, and thought the high school cast and smaller feel of the vacation group was fun.

ClockworkHouse wrote:

my big complaint with it is:

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The plot really asks us to invest in Peter's relationship with Mysterio and to accept Mysterio as a hero from another timeline. But we, as the audience, have every reason to doubt that. There's been no multiverse prior to this, and we know Mysterio is a villain with illusion powers. So you're basically stuck watching Peter and everyone have what looks like a case of the stupids for half the film.

It makes sense when you think about what they know, but we know better, and we turn out to have been right all along. It makes the whole experience both frustrating and predictable.

By comparison, Captain Marvel really pulled the rug out from under comic book readers by inverting the dynamic between the Kree and the Skrull. Even better, that reveal works just as well if you're not familiar with those races from the comics. It's just a gradual unfolding of knowledge that's unexpected for everyone, whereas the only surprise in Far From Home for anyone already familiar with Mysterio is how he creates his illusions.

Good insights. I think:

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I instantly compared the dynamic between Mysterio & Peter and Myles Morales & other-dimension Peter Parker in Spiderverse. It's just the mentorship the young webslinger needs. Except that Mysterio is playing it as a con and able to expertly manipulate 16 year-old Peter. Tony Stark obviously saw through Beck's BS and canned him, but Peter's too naive to see it. It's a painful lesson, but Peter learns it by the end. "You can't fool me anymore".

I expect that we'll eventually find out that:
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The guy who spun up the fictional narrative for Mysterio about Earth-616 and such will, in fact, be revealed as someone from another version of Earth. The information was too specific to just be tossed out there as a joke.

Good speculation. And I like how:

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JJJ is once again the face of the media mudslinging against Peter, with a modern fake-news twist. LOVE that JK Simmons is back as JJJ

Tanglebones wrote:
Hangdog wrote:

It's a chance for them to redo his look, I hope. Of all the Marvel characters, I thought he was the one most poorly translated from page to screen.

He being Mysterio?

Whoa. Bad post on my part. I think I posted before I saw that there was another page.

I was referring to the new Wanda/Vision show being a chance to redo Vision's look. I didn't love how they translated him to the screen.

Just saw it..

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In general I liked it.. the Teenage Angst worked and I do like the little they showed of the ramifications of "The Blip". I love MJ..she was well cast and really works for me. I thought the main plot was a bit weak with the whole scorned ex-employee with the master plan to trick everyone into giving him the keys to the Kingdom..but still allow Happy to roam free.

The final teaser was about as crazy as they have done.. I'm sorta guessing this opens up the MCU to a whole new scope of villains which makes sense given Captain Marvel is probably now the new Iron Man

ClockworkHouse wrote:

I saw Far From Home last night, and overall I enjoyed it. I suspect it holds up a bit better on a second viewing given everything we learn by the end. However, my big complaint with it is:

Spoiler:

The plot really asks us to invest in Peter's relationship with Mysterio and to accept Mysterio as a hero from another timeline. But we, as the audience, have every reason to doubt that. There's been no multiverse prior to this, and we know Mysterio is a villain with illusion powers. So you're basically stuck watching Peter and everyone have what looks like a case of the stupids for half the film.

It makes sense when you think about what they know, but we know better, and we turn out to have been right all along. It makes the whole experience both frustrating and predictable.

By comparison, Captain Marvel really pulled the rug out from under comic book readers by inverting the dynamic between the Kree and the Skrull. Even better, that reveal works just as well if you're not familiar with those races from the comics. It's just a gradual unfolding of knowledge that's unexpected for everyone, whereas the only surprise in Far From Home for anyone already familiar with Mysterio is how he creates his illusions.

Kinda agree on this one.

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So I agree the fact that we knew it was illusions through non-MCU means hurt it a lot, and I think that lines up a lot with Captain Marvel, but not in the Skrull twist (which I wasn't particularly wowed by). Rather I think it lines up in that Captain Marvel also expected us to just go along with the idea that Vers/Danvers thinks she's a Kree and doesn't know about Earth or her life there, when we see the flashbacks and immediately know what's going on.

To me that's the same problem, our knowledge exceeding the character's knowledge and them acting in ways we can't empathize with as easily because of our own understanding or outside knowledge.

Here's my guesses on where it goes from here:

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Mysterio isn't dead, he had time to make that "Spider-Man just tried to kill me" bit so he's around. He's also been shown to be quite capabal of starting up a team, so I think they're going to go full Sinister Six within the next four years; the next movie won't be that, but will be setting it up alongside the stinger from the first MCU Spider-Man movie.

I'm also guessing the next Spider-Man movie will have the following elements:

  • Spider-Man vs The World setup
  • Peter & May in Protective custody
  • Peter's fake name will be Ben Reilly and his next suit will feature Scarlet Spider elements as fanservice
  • He will be hunted by an anti-hero; I'm hoping this is going to be Prowler, already cast as Donald Glover

Regarding the other stinger:

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Even before Nick Fury was revealed to be a Skrull I felt his portrayal wasn't in line for what Fury's been shown as throughout the MCU, it was too harsh. I honestly expected him to be a Mysterio illusion given how much he played into that plot.

But I also very much expect either they did that after someone criticized Fury's role in the script or they got lazy because they knew the twist was coming, because that was some of the most ham fisted dialogue I've seen in a MCU movie thus far, and they've had some clunkers out there. That bothered me more than the contrivances to keep getting Peter's friends in trouble.

Just spoilering because first weekend.

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SWORD? Wonder if Beast will show up long term?

Saw it last night. Loved it, felt it hit the perfect tone of humor and drama, the pacing was great, and zero complaints. Jake Gyllenhall was really, really great.

I have to give full marks to the movie that opens Far From Home. The pixelated images were hilarious, but the stock photo watermark killed me.

Obviously it's because I'm playing the PS4 game, but I get the feeling

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Peter was sitting on a pile of unspent XP and had put nothing at all into his Spidey Sense (uh, Peter Tingle). I enjoyed Homecoming, but I did wonder why Spider-Man, of all people, gets ambushed and surprised so often. Likewise he completely fails to sense any threat from Mysterio, and he's completely outmatched in the first illusion sequence. I guess that's why you fight Mysterio, to train that skill.

ClockworkHouse wrote:
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The plot really asks us to invest in Peter's relationship with Mysterio and to accept Mysterio as a hero from another timeline. But we, as the audience, have every reason to doubt that. There's been no multiverse prior to this, and we know Mysterio is a villain with illusion powers. So you're basically stuck watching Peter and everyone have what looks like a case of the stupids for half the film.

It makes sense when you think about what they know, but we know better, and we turn out to have been right all along. It makes the whole experience both frustrating and predictable.

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The entire plot hinges on Talos Fury buying Mysterio's bullsh*t hook, line, and sinker, though. Talos Fury's trust is what spark's Peter's trust in the first place.

Because of that, I think the 2nd after-credits should have been expanded into an actual scene at the end of the movie. It makes the first half make sense, especially because Talos' Fury is basically a PG-13 version of Sam Jackson's Pulp Fiction character.

Saw Far From Home. It was only okay. The sweet / awkward / funny high school bits are the best bits; the actual superheroing is a little rote and tedious, especially since, as a viewer with outside knowledge of the character of Mysterio, it was pretty obvious that

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Pete was fighting holograms for the first two acts

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Even more so than the typical superhero fare, it relies on the charisma of the actors to distract from a story that falls apart under the least amount of scrutiny.

I was glad that Happy Hogan was there to point out that

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as much as folks like Peter try to deify him in death, Tony Stark was kind of a hot mess in life.

Apparently Stark basically said to himself, "Boy, that whole evil plan that Hydra had in Winter Soldier, with a floating superweapon capable of spying on everyone in the world and murdering anyone at any time for any reason with no appeal or oversight? That was a really keen idea. I think I'll do exactly that, only with a more user-friendly interface so that I can give that power to a literal child."

That is both horrifying, and entirely in character for the dude who built Ultron and then, when that went spectacularly wrong, tried to do it AGAIN and only wound up with Vision instead of Ultron II Electric Boogaloo because of blind luck and/or plot contrivance.

Also, apparently Nick Fury signed off on it, so that's another ostensible good guy who's not big on retaining moral lessons about the responsible use of power.

One hopes that this is something that gets addressed further in a future episode-- sorry, I mean movie.

I like the idea that Tony wasn't just sitting around doing nothing for five years during The Blip. He may have quit being an Avenger, but he never stopped being Iron Man.

One thing that definitely bothers me about FFH:

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Sure, Iron Man did the final sacrifice to defeat Thanos, and died in the process, but, as far as everybody else knows:

Captain America is dead.
Black Widow is dead.
Thor is gone.
Hulk is maimed.
Hawkeye has a terrible haircut.

So, why just the focus on Iron Man? Sure, he's Peter's binky, but you'd think there might be a few posters of Cap holding his shield and Mjolnir.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

One thing that definitely bothers me about FFH:

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Sure, Iron Man did the final sacrifice to defeat Thanos, and died in the process, but, as far as everybody else knows:

Captain America is dead.
Black Widow is dead.
Thor is gone.
Hulk is maimed.
Hawkeye has a terrible haircut.

So, why just the focus on Iron Man? Sure, he's Peter's binky, but you'd think there might be a few posters of Cap holding his shield and Mjolnir.

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Yeah that kind of bothered me too.

I found the movie to be cute but not really all that good.

I can think of reasons that's the case, but those are just speculation rather than in the movie.

tboon wrote:
MilkmanDanimal wrote:

One thing that definitely bothers me about FFH:

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Sure, Iron Man did the final sacrifice to defeat Thanos, and died in the process, but, as far as everybody else knows:

Captain America is dead.
Black Widow is dead.
Thor is gone.
Hulk is maimed.
Hawkeye has a terrible haircut.

So, why just the focus on Iron Man? Sure, he's Peter's binky, but you'd think there might be a few posters of Cap holding his shield and Mjolnir.

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Yeah that kind of bothered me too.

I found the movie to be cute but not really all that good.

Not to be pedantic, but it’s simply because this is a sequel to Homecoming which involved Tony as a mentor to Peter. Same reason Captain Marvel didn’t get more to do in Endgame.

I'm pretty sure that the main reason that Captain Marvel didn't get that much time in Endgame was because they were shooting Captain Marvel after Endgame. Brie Larson's Endgame scenes were filmed prior to Captain Marvel's filming.

hbi2k wrote:
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Also, apparently Nick Fury signed off on it, so that's another ostensible good guy who's not big on retaining moral lessons about the responsible use of power.

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Eh, Fury's never been portrayed as a guy who's really trustworthy about the entire great power great responsibility thing. He's always been a suspicious motherf*cker who'll do literally anything to get the outcome he wants. He's still very much an ends justify the means character, which was really the primary change in Stark's character between Ultron and Endgame.

I think the main reason that Fury himself signed off on it(again, that 2nd stinger makes the entire plot make a lot more sense because it confirms that Fury did sign off on it, not Talos) is because of Peter's actions in Homecoming and Infinity War. Out of all the remaining Avengers(except for maybe Falcon), Peter's the one that would take everything that Stark squirreled away and do something decent with it.

But Peter's still in high school and everyone does stupid sh*t in high school so giving him assassin bots without telling him that they're assassin bots was... well, pretty much what happened in the movie. If anyone thought for a minute they'd do something intelligent like get Peter a free college education and give him a chance to get a place that he can leave quietly and without being seen... and then give him the assassin bots when he was like... able to drink legally in the US or something.