Fabulous Final Fantasy Franchise Discussion Catch-all

Grenn wrote:

Oh, man. I just realized that it's gonna make the ultimate fate of AVALANCHE that much worse if the entire thing is set in Midgar.

Oh.. was that confirmed? Or someone's theory?

That's just me remembering the order of events.

Doesn't AVALANCHE suffer "injuries" on their way to bomb the 2nd reactor, this time with Tifa along with us in the party? It's been a while for me, so my memory is kinda fuzzy.

cube wrote:

lololololololol:

https://gematsu.com/2019/06/square-e...

Was coming to post that.

I remember someone telling me there was no way the first game would be just Midgar, and... yeah, it's going to be just Midgar.

I joked on Twitter that the FFVII remake is Tetsuya Nomura's punishment for taking so long and failing to deliver on FFXV. "You wanna make a game forever? We'll give you a game to make forever..."

"Final Fantasy VII Remake director Yoshinori Kitase could not say how many games the remake project will consist of “because we don’t know ourselves.”

As someone who is incredibly excited about this remake. This is a statement I just didnt want to hear. How do you not know things like this lol? Seems like theres a little bit of poor management going on here.

Counterpoint: It's Squaresoft, and they haven't cleaned house ever. Results despite poor management has been their mantra since forever.

I dunno... it just kind of strikes me as honest. If they’re still breaking down what content from the original to include, what to expand out and flesh out, etc. I can see not knowing. They might have a rough idea but if he stated any kind of number people would run with it and start basing expectations around it.

steinkrug wrote:

If they’re still breaking down what content from the original to include, what to expand out and flesh out, etc. I can see not knowing.

In a project of this magnitude, that should have been the first thing they did before anyone ever wrote a line of code or created an asset. That they're preparing to ship the first part of the project apparently without any idea of the final scope is staggeringly incompetent project management.

Have they learned nothing from George Lucas? Just kinda wing it and then lie and tell people you had this whole master plan mapped out from Day One.

Eh.. I don't mind them leaving it open. "We're going to make 3 games.. or.. like.. maybe 7.. but .. whatever, it will be awesome!"

Seems like this will be an accurate recreation of 90% of players' experience with FF7, i.e. never getting out of Midgar. I don't see the problem!

I'm somewhere between "Okay, sure," and "I wouldn't have expected anything else" on this revelation. Not that I expect it will go well, I very much expect the opposite. But they've already got an outline of what happens, and, well, so do we. Unless they veer wildly off course, it's not like this will be a story unfinished. If all I ever see is a very fancy Midgar, I'm cool with that. Honestly, I never expected to get that much.

I'd like to know how they plan on dealing with summons (Knights of the Round Table, anyone?) and Cloud's ultimate limit break.

Bfgp wrote:

I'd like to know how they plan on dealing with summons (Knights of the Round Table, anyone?) and Cloud's ultimate limit break.

With 10 minute unskippable cutscenes every time. Because fanservice.

Also, how do people feel about the change so that Cloud is no longer a silent protagonist? He talked in the trailer. Maybe it's okay if he doesn't do the Tidus laugh.

Given how long it's taken them now, and how they can't tell how many further instalments it will take them to finish the original story, I wonder if Sony will release the next gen system and you have this weird situation where part of the game is PS4 and the remainder is PS5.

Cloud spoke quite frequently in the original game, you must be misremembering. If you mean that there’s actual voice acting, nobody will care if it’s serviceable. He was voiced in Advent Children so there’s long been precedent for that as well.

It has been a long time (1997/8??), I thought he had speech options that you could pick but he didn't actually say anything except "...". I guess the technology has improved to the point they can have VAs if they want it. I don't mind, though I really want to be able to select Japanese VA with English subs if possible.

Cloud definitely had dialogue. I remember bits and pieces of where that happened, like at the inn, in the first city after Midgar, where he gives a bunch of exposition, or in the flashbacks with young Cloud and young Tifa, or on the bridge of the airship after he gets reunited with the party.

They will spend 15 years on this, they will gradually introduce some wtf changes from the original (#aerithlives), and the final episode will never come out.

Agathos wrote:

They will spend 15 years on this, they will gradually introduce some wtf changes from the original (#aerithlives), and the final episode will never come out.

FFXV all over again is my bet. They'll get to a certain point, and just stop.

athros wrote:
Agathos wrote:

They will spend 15 years on this, they will gradually introduce some wtf changes from the original (#aerithlives), and the final episode will never come out.

FFXV all over again is my bet. They'll get to a certain point, and just stop.

I think you are completely wrong.

Grenn wrote:
athros wrote:
Agathos wrote:

They will spend 15 years on this, they will gradually introduce some wtf changes from the original (#aerithlives), and the final episode will never come out.

FFXV all over again is my bet. They'll get to a certain point, and just stop.

I think you are completely wrong. :D

Yup, especially since the episodic model means they might be making plenty of money during the process and not have to cut their losses to push a product out the chute sooner than it should.

My guess is 4 total games, and about 4-5yrs in between each.

brokenclavicle wrote:

Yup, especially since the episodic model means they might be making plenty of money during the process and not have to cut their losses to push a product out the chute sooner than it should.

You mean like they said they were doing with FFXV's episodes?

I think FFVII Remake is going to make them so much money that they won't be able to justify not finishing it. This thing is going to sell waaaaay better than any Final Fantasy has in the last 10 years.

Either that, or it will never be finished for the same reason. They might stretch it out forever because the sales are too good for it to end.

My guess is 3 games. Midgar was only a small part of the original, but it holds much more importance than later sections. If any section could justify fleshing it out enough to make a full game, it's Midgar.

Dyni wrote:

This thing is going to sell waaaaay better than any Final Fantasy has in the last 10 years.

You better hope so. I think FF7R is the last gasp for the franchise as more than ports and prestige shovelware. They're playing the last card they they've got and praying that anyone still gives a damn.

ClockworkHouse wrote:
Dyni wrote:

This thing is going to sell waaaaay better than any Final Fantasy has in the last 10 years.

You better hope so. I think FF7R is the last gasp for the franchise as more than ports and prestige shovelware. They're playing the last card they they've got and praying that anyone still gives a damn.

Eh, FFXV did pretty good sales numbers. I think it ain't done yet.

ClockworkHouse wrote:
brokenclavicle wrote:

Yup, especially since the episodic model means they might be making plenty of money during the process and not have to cut their losses to push a product out the chute sooner than it should.

You mean like they said they were doing with FFXV's episodes? ;)

Oh, I'd forgotten about that bit hehehe. So, not that dissimilar, but maybe still more profitable? Now I don't know what to believe :D.

Jonman wrote:
ClockworkHouse wrote:
Dyni wrote:

This thing is going to sell waaaaay better than any Final Fantasy has in the last 10 years.

You better hope so. I think FF7R is the last gasp for the franchise as more than ports and prestige shovelware. They're playing the last card they they've got and praying that anyone still gives a damn.

Eh, FFXV did pretty good sales numbers. I think it ain't done yet.

Decent sales numbers on a decade-long development. Not exactly the kind of thing you want to keep throwing money at.