"A Game of Thrones" Spoiler-Ridden Catch-All of Doom - books and HBO show

TheHarpoMarxist wrote:
Quintin_Stone wrote:

For those complaining about the "magic" horse that comes out of nowhere for Arya, you're going to feel really stupid next week when it's revealed the horse is Jaqen H'ghar in disguise.

You have this wrong. Arya will pull off her mask, revealing Jaqen. And then the horse will pull of its mask, revealing Arya. Then [surprised pikachu.]

Spoiler:

The books have been setting this up forever, what with Arya's nickname from the first book.

That's ridiculous.

Arya is clearly too small to be a horse. GAWD

You're all morons.

Clearly the Horse, whose name is Jarya, is the result of Arya and Jaqen doing the Fusion Dance. Aryen, the *other* horse, is the result of using the earrings.

Fuuuuu...sion....
...HA!

garion333 wrote:

Mummer's dragon is Tyrion, eh?

Or, wait, young Griff? Did they ever meet?

mrlogical wrote:

Perhaps the mummer's dragon refers to Jon Snow and his claim to be a Targaryen.

That may actually refer to Quentyn Martell. He was no true dragon.

maverickz wrote:
garion333 wrote:

Mummer's dragon is Tyrion, eh?

Or, wait, young Griff? Did they ever meet?

mrlogical wrote:

Perhaps the mummer's dragon refers to Jon Snow and his claim to be a Targaryen.

That may actually refer to Quentyn Martell. He was no true dragon.

Jon isn't a mummer, he's legit.

I said that about Tyrion because he was a mummer for a while. I swear he was involved as a dragon in one of the shows or whatever, but perhaps I'm mistaken.

maverickz wrote:

"No. Hear me, Daenerys Targaryen. The glass candles are burning.
Soon comes the pale mare, and after her the others. Kraken and dark flame, lion and griffin, the sun’s son and the mummer’s dragon. Trust none of them. Remember the Undying. Beware the perfumed seneschal."" - Quaithe

Ah yes, Quaithe, the Human Hexmap.

In other news... Who sounds less enthusiastic, the GoT cast discussing this season, or Disney execs talking about the Benioff/Weiss Star Wars movie?

“We did a deal with David Benioff and D.B Weiss, who are famous for Game of Thrones, and the next movie that we release will be theirs,” Iger said. “And we’re not saying anything more about that.”
garion333 wrote:
maverickz wrote:
garion333 wrote:

Mummer's dragon is Tyrion, eh?

Or, wait, young Griff? Did they ever meet?

mrlogical wrote:

Perhaps the mummer's dragon refers to Jon Snow and his claim to be a Targaryen.

That may actually refer to Quentyn Martell. He was no true dragon.

Jon isn't a mummer, he's legit.

I said that about Tyrion because he was a mummer for a while. I swear he was involved as a dragon in one of the shows or whatever, but perhaps I'm mistaken.

What I was saying was that "mummer's dragon" may mean "fake dragon", like Quentyn, who was burned when he tried to tame one of Dany's dragons. I'm no GoT loresmith though.

I've been waiting for the shock of the burning of King's Landing to wear off because that was some particularly intense scenes. I wondered to myself numerous times if it was actually meant to look more like modern warfare with bombs and IEDs than fantasy. So many building exploded. Yeah, dragonfire, but so much looked ... modern.

Anyway, that was shocking, visually, but what does it mean for Dany. She razed most of the city. She wants to rule by fear since no one in the Seven Kingdoms loves (or knows) her, then okay. But from where? King's Landing was always kind of a sh*t city, will she move her capital to Dragonstone? Will King's Landing ever be re-built? How much is left? Did she really have to go so far? Is this how she ends the Last War? Did this actually do it? There's only one of her and one dragon. Is that enough?

Will Jon go back to the Wall? (Do we need a Wall?) Will he take the Black again and renounce the crown? He says he doesn't want it, but that's likely not enough for Dany.

The show seems to be setting up the inevitable Starks vs. Dany confrontation, but I tend to think it's not going to be that simple. Or maybe it is. The show has lost most nuance at this point and Varys sent out a plethora of letters. We're almost entirely back to where we were at the start of the series. A fake king. A fake queen. Questionable legacy. Etc.

I mean, if we talk about Game of Thrones then we're talking about endless wars. The Game never ends. Is there any other way for the show to end? Probably not.

I keep hearing speculation that the green wildfire explosions were leftover from when Aerys the Mad was about to torch King's Landing, but could it have been planted all over the place by Cersei to blow the city as a last option?

garion333 wrote:

I've been waiting for the shock of the burning of King's Landing to wear off because that was some particularly intense scenes. I wondered to myself numerous times if it was actually meant to look more like modern warfare with bombs and IEDs than fantasy. So many building exploded. Yeah, dragonfire, but so much looked ... modern.

Anyway, that was shocking, visually, but what does it mean for Dany. She razed most of the city. She wants to rule by fear since no one in the Seven Kingdoms loves (or knows) her, then okay. But from where? King's Landing was always kind of a sh*t city, will she move her capital to Dragonstone? Will King's Landing ever be re-built? How much is left?

Well, since the show threw any semblance of rational tactics out the window for the sake of a cool visual that communicated "all the Dothraki are dead" and then in the next episode fully half of them were miraculously still alive, my guess is that next week it'll turn out the damage to King's Landing amounted to some broken windows and a few dozen civilians with scraped knees.

Will Jon go back to the Wall? (Do we need a Wall?) Will he take the Black again and renounce the crown? He says he doesn't want it, but that's likely not enough for Dany.

Spoilers that have been floating around on reddit/4chan inside the click... I don't in any way endorse or vouch for these but they were right about episode 5:

Spoiler:

Supposedly Jon is going to kill Dany, then go back to the Night's Watch (even though I'm not sure why the Night's Watch would still exist with the White Walkers gone and the wildlings seemingly no longer a threat?)...

...and then Bran will inexplicably become king.

Endless war.

I say it ends with Dany triumphant, gazing upon her mighty empire...and a faceless-clad Arya waiting in the shadows, gripping her catspaw dagger.

And then Journey starts playing.

I know it was dark two weeks ago but there were a lot of dothraki soldiers and horses running back in the snow after that first failed charge. Ghost was there with them.

Mostly on foot and horses with no riders, but a lot of survivors.

Stele wrote:

I know it was dark two weeks ago but there were a lot of dothraki soldiers and horses running back in the snow after that first failed charge. Ghost was there with them.

Mostly on foot and horses with no riders, but a lot of survivors.

I remember some riderless horses, maybe a handful of survivors on foot. Certainly not half the horde.

r013nt0 wrote:

You're all morons.

Clearly the Horse, whose name is Jarya, is the result of Arya and Jaqen doing the Fusion Dance. Aryen, the *other* horse, is the result of using the earrings.

Fuuuuu...sion....
...HA!

If you ride on horse that's actually a Faceless Man, does that mean you're riding on A Horse With No Name?

Stele wrote:

I know it was dark two weeks ago but there were a lot of dothraki soldiers and horses running back in the snow after that first failed charge. Ghost was there with them.

Mostly on foot and horses with no riders, but a lot of survivors.

Now I know you're just making sh*t up. Ghost hasn't been on the show for a few seasons now.

Not sure if you guys are watching these, but you should be. Trae Crowder (of "The Liberal Redneck" quasi-fame), doing his Game of Thrones recaps. GoTdam with Trae Crowder (the best name, reallly)

NSFW: Language

He k it could all end with Dany ruing what amounts to a ‘dead’ kingdom for all I care.

It’s more interesting to speculate where Varyis sent all those letters.

Old town?
Essos?
Dorne?
Mireen?
Iron Isles?

I mean, within the crux of the show, there aren’t a whole lot of places that it would seem to help since all Dany is intent on is burning everything she deems an enemy. Unless there ARE Valeryians in exile somewhere across the grass sea

If you ride on horse that's actually a Faceless Man, does that mean you're riding on A Horse With No Name?

You have to have been through the desert...

Random thought : Now that the Red Keep is rubble, is someone going to bother to dig the Iron Throne out so *ruler TBD* can sit on it? After noticing the subtle changes in the opening credits (funeral pyres outside Winterfell after E4) I'm wondering if we'll even see the Throne in next week's sequence?

BlackSheep wrote:

It’s more interesting to speculate where Varyis sent all those letters.

Old town?
Essos?
Dorne?
Mireen?
Iron Isles?

I mean, within the crux of the show, there aren’t a whole lot of places that it would seem to help since all Dany is intent on is burning everything she deems an enemy. Unless there ARE Valeryians in exile somewhere across the grass sea

All of the above? I'm hoping Iron Isles at least to get Yara in the show one last time. But I'm guessing that he probably just wanted as many people as possible to know as a last ditch hail mary.

Also, what was the deal with Varys taking off that ring? I was expecting that to come up again.

halfwaywrong wrote:
BlackSheep wrote:

It’s more interesting to speculate where Varyis sent all those letters.

Old town?
Essos?
Dorne?
Mireen?
Iron Isles?

I mean, within the crux of the show, there aren’t a whole lot of places that it would seem to help since all Dany is intent on is burning everything she deems an enemy. Unless there ARE Valeryians in exile somewhere across the grass sea

All of the above? I'm hoping Iron Isles at least to get Yara in the show one last time. But I'm guessing that he probably just wanted as many people as possible to know as a last ditch hail mary.

Also, what was the deal with Varys taking off that ring? I was expecting that to come up again.

I’m guessing they were markers of his stature with the rulers - like signet rings and he knew they were coming to execute him so he put them aside. It may be that Tyrion finds them and takes up the guise of the Spider

garion333 wrote:

Anyway, that was shocking, visually, but what does it mean for Dany. She razed most of the city.

One of the things I liked from the overall story arc (if not quite the delivery) is how Dany lived up to (or down to, rather) the person that Cersei's scare tactics claimed her to be:

"mindless Unsullied soldiers who will destroy your castles and your holdfasts; Dothraki heathens, who will burn your villages to the ground, rape and enslave your women and butcher your children without a second thought"

"You will remember the Mad King. You remember the horrors he inflicted upon his people. His daughter is no different."

Kind of interesting to see an article on that episode talk about it as an example of "the power of fake news". I doubt Cersei actually believed any of what she said, but the fact that it more or less came true in spite of that is one of the story bits that gave me some enjoyment on Sunday.

So far, everyone that knows about Bran's power whom he might have considered a threat is dead.

Except, perhaps, one person. I bet Daenerys isn't long for that world.

LouZiffer wrote:

So far, everyone that knows about Bran's power whom he might have considered a threat is dead.

Except, perhaps, one person. I bet Daenerys isn't long for that world.

If Bran ends up ruling that brings to mind God Emperor of Dune type situation. How long can the 3 eyed raven live for?

Spoiler: Leaked Ending

King Bran on the throne is the "leaked" ending that's going around.

“Filthy horse warger” sounds like a spectacular insult.

BlackSheep wrote:
halfwaywrong wrote:
BlackSheep wrote:

It’s more interesting to speculate where Varyis sent all those letters.

Old town?
Essos?
Dorne?
Mireen?
Iron Isles?

I mean, within the crux of the show, there aren’t a whole lot of places that it would seem to help since all Dany is intent on is burning everything she deems an enemy. Unless there ARE Valeryians in exile somewhere across the grass sea

All of the above? I'm hoping Iron Isles at least to get Yara in the show one last time. But I'm guessing that he probably just wanted as many people as possible to know as a last ditch hail mary.

Also, what was the deal with Varys taking off that ring? I was expecting that to come up again.

I’m guessing they were markers of his stature with the rulers - like signet rings and he knew they were coming to execute him so he put them aside. It may be that Tyrion finds them and takes up the guise of the Spider

Ooooor he left them for his little bird. Big risk, big payoff.

Honestly, I assumed it was symbolic. A quiet resignation to his fate.

Brizahd wrote:
LouZiffer wrote:

So far, everyone that knows about Bran's power whom he might have considered a threat is dead.

Except, perhaps, one person. I bet Daenerys isn't long for that world.

If Bran ends up ruling that brings to mind God Emperor of Dune type situation. How long can the 3 eyed raven live for?

Forever, essentially. Bran isn't exactly 'Bran' anymore. A new greenseer is chosen when the old is about to die. So far this is the one arc that continues throughout the entire story, even when the episodes aren't necessarily about him.

Middcore wrote:

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Keep leaks spoilered, please.

Unless they really pull something off in the finale like that leaked ending, now I'm *really* wishing they didn't take that extra year.

Now I'm really wishing I'd re-watched the series last year instead of waiting until this year, because I never did get to re-watch it this year. Don't know if I ever will. Heck, I don't even re-watch these episodes during the week that often. Which is crazy considering how much bigger the action is--these episodes should be even *more* ripe for a quick re-watch, not less.

gewy wrote:

This is a bit messed up, and I don't want to overstate it, but I think this show coming to its conclusion has contributed a bit to me being more depressed over the past week or so. I have experienced small bits of grief in the past when a very long piece of media I'm invested in is coming to an end, but when it's well done, it's tempered with satisfaction. Flubbing the narrative on the final lap sort of removes the satisfaction part though. Obviously if the content were happier, it'd be less of an issue as well.

Some past examples that may have elicited similar feelings (although less severe probably): Lost, Battlestar Galactica and the Mass Effect trilogy.

Brother, you are not alone. One of my best friends and former roommates once described me as the most mentally healthy person he knew, but the end of How I Met Your Mother wrecked me.