NFL 2019: Draft

Yeah, I prefer ruining whispa's day this way:

Yeah, can't make this stuff up

That's such an unfair characterization.

It completely leaves out the late 3rd round pick they still have from all of that maneuvering!

I'll stay optimistic. Some of the guys who left had character and me me issues. DG is getting rid of those guys and bringing in his mold of players ie smart, big strong in trenches and good character, team players. We'll see in a few years as we do in all drafts whether this pans out or not. I don't put too much stock in media and their draft rankings. I trust guys like Gil Brandt, Casserly, Mayock - guys who were in the game or evaluated with a sound thought process.

Seattle entered this week having only 4 picks in this draft (rounds 1, 3, 4, 5), having traded their 2nd rounder for Duane Brown, their 6th for Brett Hundley, and their 7th for Shalom Luani. (They let Hundley walk this offseason, but Brown and Luani have stuck.)

Then they move Frank Clark to pick up a 1st and a 2020 2nd, and also swapped 3rds with KC.

Then they traded their original 1st round pick to get a lower 1st rounder plus two fourths.

Then they traded that new lower 1st round pick to get a 2nd, a 4th, and a 5th.

So, by my count, they now have:

1st round pick (KC's, used on LJ Collier)
2nd round pick (NYG's, so a very early 2nd, the 5th pick of the round)
3rd round pick (KC's, from swapping)
4th round pick (GB's)
4th round pick (WAS's via GB)
4th round pick (own)
4th round pick (NO's via NYG via CLE via NYG again)
5th (SF's via DET via NYG)
5th (own)

From 4 picks to 9 picks. Incredible.

Good chance that they aren't done trading. I doubt they will actually make 4 selections in round 4. Won't be surprised to see them package a couple to move up for someone, and possibly trade down to get back into rounds 6 and 7. But they will definitely leave this draft having made at least a full draft's worth of selections.

As a Niner fan, I hate all of the above.

Rosen traded to Dolphins , AZ gets pick #48

I feel so much better now /bleh

garion333 wrote:
*Legion* wrote:

Now I'm hoping Taylor lasts to Jacksonville's 2nd rounder.

Reports are Taylor has a bunch of medical red flags.

Yup, I missed this report.

Unless the concerns are really bad, I don't think I'd slide him much further than the early 2nd range. He didn't miss any games in 3 years of starting at Florida.

This is going to be an incredible 2nd round.

So many receivers and defensive backs. There's a lot of guys there that fit specific schemes/styles, lots of very interesting guys that can go in many orders based on who picks when.

Greedy Williams still on the board. The Niners have got to consider that. (Even though I think Jason Verrett might be a sneaky steal of free agency - his knee is finally in good shape and Achilles tears usually aren't chronic conditions.)

Jags have a couple of tackles they've got to consider. Will Richardson was their 4th round pick last year and he has some starter potential at tackle, but if they draft a tackle, he can play inside at guard (while still providing a backup plan at tackle if they do take someone with medical questions like Jawaan Taylor)

Jags have two 3rd round picks and I think there's potential there to combine them to trade up and take another player in the 2nd instead. Then again, I have my eyes on a tight end I really want them to target: Foster Moreau. Like Hockenson, Moreau is an inline TE that can provide the blocking that this offense will demand of the position, but his Senior Bowl week showed his pass catching ability, and his Combine drills revealed he's more athletic than people realized (4.66 40, faster than Hockenson and in the upper area for tight ends in general, also ranked very highly at jumping measurements)

Moreau reminds me a lot of George Kittle's situation in Iowa, in that the scheme didn't throw him the ball, and only in the pre-draft process did his athleticism get revealed, and even that wasn't enough to get him higher than the 5th round. Moreau's not as blazing fast as Kittle, probably won't be that kind of playmaker, but I think he projects to a good all-around TE.

Since the team did not end up with Hockenson (Coughlin said Hockenson was the guy they were choosing between when deciding to take Allen), Moreau is the guy I want to see the Jags use one of those 3rds on to get.

whispa wrote:

Rosen traded to Dolphins , AZ gets pick #48

I feel so much better now /bleh

This doesn't appear to have happened yet, but reports keep saying a deal is getting close.

But speaking of the Giants and QB, Gettleman has made clear Jones is coming in to sit the bench for a while:

[quot]"Maybe we're going to be the Green Bay model where [Aaron] Rodgers sat for three years. Who knows? It's one of those deals where it doesn't make a difference what position it is. You can never have too many good players at one position."[/quote]

Manning is only under contract for one more year, and I don't see an extension as super likely. But it does sound like Jones is not going to start anytime soon.

*Legion* wrote:

Greedy Williams

My favorite name so far.

Rat Boy wrote:
*Legion* wrote:

Greedy Williams

My favorite name so far.

If you like that, let me introduce you to one of the CBs that will come off the board after Greedy, Rock Ya-Sin.

*Legion* wrote:
Rat Boy wrote:
*Legion* wrote:

Greedy Williams

My favorite name so far.

If you like that, let me introduce you to one of the CBs that will come off the board after Greedy, Rock Ya-Sin.

I saw him open for KRS-One back in '91, and his set was epic.

I really, really, really thought Belichick was going to find a way to trade for Josh Rosen and set up the Patriots for the future. It seemed just plausible and/or terrifying enough to happen. Rosen instead gets to carve out his own legacy as "guy who has to be QB for a really dysfunctional franchise". Poor guy and/or good for him.

I have Will Grier penciled in as New England's next Garoppolo, or possibly Tyree Jackson as their next Jacoby Brissett.

I will be a little surprised if they don't take one of them.

I'll be very surprised if they don't take a QB at all.

Then again, New England is known to be tactically aggressive when everyone still thinks of them as a trade-down collect-picks team. Would not shock me in the slightest if, when the end of the Brady era truly is at hand, they make an aggressive trade up to the top of a draft and take the QB they think is the next star.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:
*Legion* wrote:
Rat Boy wrote:
*Legion* wrote:

Greedy Williams

My favorite name so far.

If you like that, let me introduce you to one of the CBs that will come off the board after Greedy, Rock Ya-Sin.

I saw him open for KRS-One back in '91, and his set was epic.

Nobody appreciates these stupid-ass jokes as much as us. How could you ever leave these threads?

*Legion* wrote:

... But it does sound like Jones is not going to start ever.

FTFY.

The list of first-round QB picks that have amounted to nothing more than a bag of sweaty socks is long and glorious. Eli Junior is a worthy addition.

garion333 wrote:

Has someone written an article about how Washington now has four QBs on their roster that likely adds up to more money than they would've given to Cousins if they had just signed him to a long-term deal?

This makes me want to do math.

There's two clear points in time that were opportunities to sign Cousins: the 2016 offseason, and the 2017 offseason, both of when they franchise tagged him and then failed to come to a deal.

In 2016, Andrew Luck got $24.5m/year, which I think sets our hard ceiling for that time frame.

Also in 2016, Joe Flacco signed that bizarre contract extension, adding 3 years to his existing deal. Maybe the extension was genius, because Flacco is only now playing the very first year of that extension this season, and he's doing it in someone else's uniform. (Spoiler: no, it wasn't genius, but at least Baltimore found a sucker to take it off their hands). That extension was for about $22m/year, but again, those are 2019-2021 numbers.

The year before, Cam and Eli both signed their deals for $21m/year.

With only one full starting season to his name, Cousins doesn't go anywhere near Luck, and even though Cam and Eli were prior year deals, I don't think he leapfrogs them either. I want to say $20m a year, but I'll split the difference between that and Cam/Eli and make it $20.5m per year.

In 2017, Derek Carr got $25m/year, and then Matt Stafford got $27m/year. With 2016 getting Cousins to almost 5000 yards of passing, I think he comes into the market hot, and matches Stafford at $27m per year.

So in 2018, Washington signs Alex Smith at $23.5m/year, already ahead of what would have locked down Cousins in 2016.

Haskins being the 15th pick brings his price way down, projection is $14.5 million, so $3.6m a year. That gets our Washington total to $27.1m a year, which puts us right at that 2017 Stafford number.

Colt McCoy has been a backup in Washington since 2015. I think he's on the roster either way, so we won't count him.

But I don't think Case Keenum gets added in the Kirk Cousins timeline, so we are counting him. That's $3.5m additional for 2019, though nothing beyond that. And that money can disappear entirely as his guaranteed money is all back in Denver. They'd have traded down from a 6th to a 7th next year for nothing, though.

If Keenum stays on the books, we're at $30.6m for 2019, and $27.1m average for 3 more years. Not to mention this approach also required spending the 15th overall pick. So... yeah.

*Legion* wrote:
garion333 wrote:

Has someone written an article about how Washington now has four QBs on their roster that likely adds up to more money than they would've given to Cousins if they had just signed him to a long-term deal?

This makes me want to do math.

There's two clear points in time that were opportunities to sign Cousins: the 2016 offseason, and the 2017 offseason, both of when they franchise tagged him and then failed to come to a deal.

In 2016, Andrew Luck got $24.5m/year, which I think sets our hard ceiling for that time frame.

Also in 2016, Joe Flacco signed that bizarre contract extension, adding 3 years to his existing deal. Maybe the extension was genius, because Flacco is only now playing the very first year of that extension this season, and he's doing it in someone else's uniform. (Spoiler: no, it wasn't genius, but at least Baltimore found a sucker to take it off their hands). That extension was for about $22m/year, but again, those are 2019-2021 numbers.

The year before, Cam and Eli both signed their deals for $21m/year.

With only one full starting season to his name, Cousins doesn't go anywhere near Luck, and even though Cam and Eli were prior year deals, I don't think he leapfrogs them either. I want to say $20m a year, but I'll split the difference between that and Cam/Eli and make it $20.5m per year.

In 2017, Derek Carr got $25m/year, and then Matt Stafford got $27m/year. With 2016 getting Cousins to almost 5000 yards of passing, I think he comes into the market hot, and matches Stafford at $27m per year.

So in 2018, Washington signs Alex Smith at $23.5m/year, already ahead of what would have locked down Cousins in 2016.

Haskins being the 15th pick brings his price way down, projection is $14.5 million, so $3.6m a year. That gets our Washington total to $27.1m a year, which puts us right at that 2017 Stafford number.

Colt McCoy has been a backup in Washington since 2015. I think he's on the roster either way, so we won't count him.

But I don't think Case Keenum gets added in the Kirk Cousins timeline, so we are counting him. That's $3.5m additional for 2019, though nothing beyond that. And that money can disappear entirely as his guaranteed money is all back in Denver. They'd have traded down from a 6th to a 7th next year for nothing, though.

If Keenum stays on the books, we're at $30.6m for 2019, and $27.1m average for 3 more years. Not to mention this approach also required spending the 15th overall pick. So... yeah.

So...

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"Titan Up" is easily one of the worst fan yells in the league.

"Tighten up!"

*Legion* wrote:

"Titan Up" is easily one of the worst fan yells in the league.

"Tighten up!"

There's so many jokes to tell around that, but there's no need for me to be anal.

Cards take Byron Murphy, which will do nothing to quiet talk about trading Patrick Peterson.

They just gave a new 3-year deal to the other starting CB, Robert Alford.

This what I came here for, Reggie Wayne!

Rat Boy wrote:

This what I came here for, Reggie Wayne!

Prime sh*t-talk and targeted at my least favorite AFC South rival. Way to make me love a Colt, Reggie.

ROCK YA-SIN

Really a weird pick for Indy, he is a press corner, odd scheme fit. Also odd taken ahead of Greedy.

Jags trade up to get... Jawaan Taylor!

Love it so much. A little concerned that the trade-up might have cost them their extra 3rd. But I'm all about grabbing Jawaan.

EDIT: Jags gave up their 4th, and got a 5th and 7th in return. Love it more.

Really liking Jacksonville's draft so far.

DEEBO!

Seriously, some of these names...

Deebo!

Man I am loving this draft. Niners and Jags are drafting right off my wish list.

Are the Raiders going to make a pick tonight?