[Discussion] What comes next? Liber-all

American liberals and progressives now face their biggest challenge in a generation: What do we do with 4 years of a trump presidency, a republican congress, a likely conservative supreme court and most states under complete republican control?

This thread is not meant as a forum for discussing HOW or WHY democrats got destroyed in the 2016 election. It's meant for finding a way forward.

BoogtehWoog wrote:
boogle wrote:

booo.
Boooooooooooooooooooooo
I boo this secessionist, elitist crap.

Sorry, boogle, but I'm not sure how we can ever integrate these people back into the mainstream. And I'm tired of my life being dictated by them. I'm barely able to suppress my rage these days and things are going to get violent between the left and right real soon if these people don't come around. And I don't see them coming around.

I am more concerned with all the disenfranchised minorities that you'd be tossing to the wayside as we all escape to our ivory towers. And not to put words in Boogle's mouth I think thats where he might be coming from as well.

I don't have any ivory tower to escape to. I'm a poor as f*ck trans sex worker that wants all the far right f*ckers dead.

Hey I mean it worked so well for India, why not here too

I didn't really take the whole thing all that seriously and just took it as a (rightful) expression of frustration. It's not like it's actually going to happen.

I honestly don't know. I wouldn't be surprised with a second Civil War. I'd be happy if it could be a peaceful split. I know I'd have to move to a colder climate. But guns drawn in the next decade or two? I can see it pretty clearly.

MathGoddess wrote:

I honestly don't know. I wouldn't be surprised with a second Civil War. I'd be happy if it could be a peaceful split. I know I'd have to move to a colder climate. But guns drawn in the next decade or two? I can see it pretty clearly.

I thought I was in the Marvel thread and thought “oh come on, not with Thanos around.”
And then I scrolled up... that’s a really chilling prospect. Downright terrifying, really...

MathGoddess wrote:

I honestly don't know. I wouldn't be surprised with a second Civil War. I'd be happy if it could be a peaceful split. I know I'd have to move to a colder climate. But guns drawn in the next decade or two? I can see it pretty clearly.

I agree *that* could happen, but I just don't see the country conveniently divided up like that. Would be more like whoever wins would just have it all.

This Twitter thread.

I think reporters should start asking Trump about Nunes’ Cow.

I’m over here in California. I’m officially welcoming all trans folk, queer folk, minorities, immigrants, free thinkers, humanists, atheists, left leaning theists, artists, and the like to come join us in the Republic of California. The weather is great, and we have a strong economy.

edit: I forgot scientists. Please bring a scientist with you when you come.

I miss CA more than I would have thought....but I can afford to live in SC. I have a better library than I had in Monterey or Santa Barbara (who'd have guessed that?!?!). The natural disasters here are a bit easier to deal with IMO. But if we could split up th country, I'd be happy to come back west and I'd grumble as I went back to worth and I'd leave the yellow pollen and say hi to the ice plants and ocean again. I loved the sea otters in Monterey.....

Republic of California?

Pfft.

Everyone is welcome in Greater Cascadia, which includes the northern California coastal region and, most importantly, will basically have Cali's climate by mid century.

Plus, parts of British Columbia.

MathGoddess wrote:

I miss CA more than I would have thought....but I can afford to live in SC. I have a better library than I had in Monterey or Santa Barbara (who'd have guessed that?!?!). The natural disasters here are a bit easier to deal with IMO. But if we could split up th country, I'd be happy to come back west and I'd grumble as I went back to worth and I'd leave the yellow pollen and say hi to the ice plants and ocean again. I loved the sea otters in Monterey.....

Monterey Bay Sea Otter Cam

RawkGWJ wrote:

I’m over here in California. I’m officially welcoming all trans folk, queer folk, minorities, immigrants, free thinkers, humanists, atheists, left leaning theists, artists, and the like to come join us in the Republic of California. The weather is great, and we have a strong economy.

edit: I forgot scientists. Please bring a scientist with you when you come.

Do computer scientists count?

bekkilyn wrote:

Monterey Bay Sea Otter Cam

SQUEE!!!!!

Husband grew up in Monterey area. He remembers when they built the aquarium.
He went kayaking in the bay with friends once and had a baby sea otter climb on his kayak.

Appreciate the Cascadia invite, but with the San Juan de Fuca plate and Cascadia subduction zone, hell no!
That's an area I have encouraged my son NOT to move to for college.
I was in the 89 Santa Cruz quake and missed the 94 LA one since I was up in Monterey getting engaged that weekend. I'm fine with quakes, but that area is terrifyingly overdue.

BoogtehWoog wrote:

I don't have any ivory tower to escape to. I'm a poor as f*ck trans sex worker that wants all the far right f*ckers dead.

I was curious about which pronouns you prefer?

I'm pretty down on all the trans stuff. Just call me Boog, lol.

If it turns out you're really short, can we call you Boogie?

BoogtehWoog wrote:

I'm pretty down on all the trans stuff. Just call me Boog, lol.

Yeah. A friend from church is trans / non-binary and just prefers to go by first name.

Spoiler:

Tapestry UU in Lake Forest, CA

MathGoddess wrote:
bekkilyn wrote:

Monterey Bay Sea Otter Cam

SQUEE!!!!!

Husband grew up in Monterey area. He remembers when they built the aquarium.
He went kayaking in the bay with friends once and had a baby sea otter climb on his kayak.

Appreciate the Cascadia invite, but with the San Juan de Fuca plate and Cascadia subduction zone, hell no!
That's an area I have encouraged my son NOT to move to for college.
I was in the 89 Santa Cruz quake and missed the 94 LA one since I was up in Monterey getting engaged that weekend. I'm fine with quakes, but that area is terrifyingly overdue.

Eh - we don’t get tornadoes or hurricanes, and a lot of more modern buildings are built to withstand everything besides the worst case scenario. Not saying that it couldn’t get bad, but most likely if won’t at least not in our lifetime.

jdzappa wrote:
MathGoddess wrote:

the San Juan de Fuca plate and Cascadia subduction zone, hell no!

Eh - we don’t get tornadoes or hurricanes, and a lot of more modern buildings are built to withstand everything besides the worst case scenario. Not saying that it couldn’t get bad, but most likely if won’t at least not in our lifetime.

I think you're mistaken, Zappa.

The entire point being made was that the Cascadia subduction zone slipping IS the worst case scenario, it's way overdue, and it's going to royally f*ck up the entire west coast when it does happen. Not least of all because even if a building stands up to a 9.0 earthquake, it's not going to stand up to the subsequent tsunami.

Remember too - plenty of buildings around here pre-date the existence of earthquake resistant building techniques. My house was built in 1949, and that sh*t is coming down quick when the big one hits.

Further reading:

Money quotes:
"... we now know that the odds of the big Cascadia earthquake happening in the next fifty years are roughly one in three.The odds of the very big one are roughly one in ten. Even those numbers do not fully reflect the danger—or, more to the point, how unprepared the Pacific Northwest is to face it. "

"Almost two thousand died in Hurricane Katrina. Almost three hundred died in Hurricane Sandy. FEMA projects that nearly thirteen thousand people will die in the Cascadia earthquake and tsunami. Another twenty-seven thousand will be injured, and the agency expects that it will need to provide shelter for a million displaced people, and food and water for another two and a half million. "

The entire west coast will get eff’ed up? I’m not sure that’s accurate. I may be afflicted with a case of ivory tower syndrome, but I believe Los Angeles and regions south will be mildly affected if at all.

RawkGWJ wrote:

The entire west coast will get eff’ed up? I’m not sure that’s accurate. I may be afflicted with a case of ivory tower syndrome, but I believe Los Angeles and regions south will be mildly affected if at all.

no, I think thats accurate for a 'full rip' of the cascadia fault

i think this is the video it might have been another in the series (i don't actually have time to rewatch it right now) but it talks about significant wave damage down into Baja.

RawkGWJ wrote:

The entire west coast will get eff’ed up? I’m not sure that’s accurate. I may be afflicted with a case of ivory tower syndrome, but I believe Los Angeles and regions south will be mildly affected if at all.

Depends entirely where the epicenter is (not least of all which fault goes - San Andreas vs Cascadia subduction), and how big the resultant tsunami is.

More to the point, if, say Oregon is largely flat and on fire, that doesn't mean that Washington and California aren't f*cked by the knock-on economic and refugee impacts.

I would be willing to move back to central or southern CA. Especially if I could afford it. Cascadia is right out though.

Jonman wrote:
RawkGWJ wrote:

The entire west coast will get eff’ed up? I’m not sure that’s accurate. I may be afflicted with a case of ivory tower syndrome, but I believe Los Angeles and regions south will be mildly affected if at all.

Depends entirely where the epicenter is (not least of all which fault goes - San Andreas vs Cascadia subduction), and how big the resultant tsunami is.

More to the point, if, say Oregon is largely flat and on fire, that doesn't mean that Washington and California aren't f*cked by the knock-on economic and refugee impacts.

I practically live on top of the San Andreas fault. There has been new evidence to suggests that San Andreas is more likely to cause small earthquakes that happen more often rather than “The Big One”.

Is Cascadia subduction the one that can potentially send tsunamis to Japan?

Eh. I was fully aware of the Cascadia Subduction Fault when I moved here. I’d rather live somewhere I love and potentially die horribly in a natural disaster than live to an old age in some boring hellhole in the Midwest.

RawkGWJ wrote:

Is Cascadia subduction the one that can potentially send tsunamis to Japan?

Yes, and there are historical records showing it has done so in the past.

I thought the fear was that Cascadia earthquakes would set off the Ring of Fire?

ruhk wrote:

Eh. I was fully aware of the Cascadia Subduction Fault when I moved here. I’d rather live somewhere I love and potentially die horribly in a natural disaster than live to an old age in some boring hellhole in the Midwest.

Hadn’t had time to respond but much of the Midwest is threatened by the New Madrid fault which could devestate everything from Chicago to St Louis. And don’t forget the Yellowstone Caldera which would destroy the entire US. And for that matter is also overdue for a mega eruption.

At a certain point there is no safe zone from Mother Nature anywhere in the world. There’s a 10 percent chance of something really bad happening in the Seattle area, but that means it’s a 90 percent chance that there won’t be a killer quake. Chances of dying from cancer are roughly 25 percent.

jdzappa wrote:

There’s a 10 percent chance of something really bad happening in the Seattle area, but that means it’s a 90 percent chance that there won’t be a killer quake. Chances of dying from cancer are roughly 25 percent.

I mean, sure, but many of us put active work into reducing that 25% cancer risk. We give up smoking, try to eat better, exercise, get enough sleep, the whole caboodle.

We just cross our fingers about that earthquake risk.

ruhk wrote:

Eh. I was fully aware of the Cascadia Subduction Fault when I moved here. I’d rather live somewhere I love and potentially die horribly in a natural disaster than live to an old age in some boring hellhole in the Midwest.

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