Football Manager Series Catch-All

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A+ REALISM

EDIT: Also, my youth scout recommended to me a great one in the all-time FM Regen Name Team: Despot Miljkovic

Well!

We moved into 6th place today after a ludicrous game against Wolves that was a guaranteed Premier League classic. We went up 2-0 in hte first 10 minutes, then they got it back to 2-2, then we went up 3-2, then they clawed back to 4-3, then we scored TWO in the last 5 minutes to win 5-4.

I spent the game vacillating between absolute rage and outright joy.

I finally got around to playing the last games of the season, final tally:

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Next season should be interesting, as an army of players out on loan return to the club, AND I lose my best 3 players (Onyeukuru, Markovic and Sels) as their loan period ends.

Oh and before I forget:

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Pep got fired after the competition ended, Man U lauds Mourinho for his class. Yup, bizarro PL. Fulham ended 8th in 1st division.

Oh and is it wrong to be so angry about not even making top-3 in the Belgian Manager of the Year awards? I'm the champion dammit!

Yeah, I think I'd be pretty miffed about being overlooked for the Belgian Manager of the Year awards if I'd won the title by 19 points.

I should be more downhearted about Pep going (does happen a lot in FM 18 and 19, probably ignoring the fact that IRL he's basically unsackable), but then I look down the table and arrive at 18th place, and all is calmness and light.

Dang.

I had next month for "Dave makes an ass of himself by gratuitously mocking another team's fictional performance" in the forum betting pool.

I wouldn't like to see something that you'd spent so much of your no-doubt-valuable time on go to waste.

Meanwhile, back in FM world, has anyone tried/used the Mondialito mod ? It basically turns the world into a giant league system, but I have one question. When I have it active (from the dropdown menu in the top right on the new career screen), the next screen has no leagues at all, and the 'choose leagues' button does nothing. Is that because the national leagues effectively don't exist any more, because they are all part of this massive new structure ?

I'm just wondering because I hadn't played FM since I did a complete reinstall of Windows 10, and had to repair it, which found some files missing.

DOELPUNTEN is a much more fun way to say "Top Goalscorer".

Prederick wrote:

DOELPUNTEN is a much more fun way to say "Top Goalscorer".

the same goes for

Hattrick: player scores 3 goals in a match
Zuivere Hattrick: player scores 3 goals in one half, or 3 goals over the match
Glaszuivere Hattrick: player scores 3 goals in one half, without another players scoring inbetween.

I may be slightly wrong about this, but a friend told me when a goal is scored in Germany they say “Tor!” Which roughly means something like “the gate has opened”. Some of the language in football is great.

Yeah, Germany has some great ones, specifically the award for top goalscorer.

Since 1966 a miniature artillery sponsored by the German football magazine kicker is awarded to the top scorer at the end of the season. It is formally named "kicker Torjägerkanone" (kicker top scorer cannon).

Absolutely!

Football and German words are sometimes like some poetic form of art.

Horst Hrubesch was called Kopfballungeheuer...

I don't think it get's any better than that. Flatly translated it would mean 'The heading-monster' or headmonster. But it refers to big, dreadful, enormous monsters.

Peoj Snamreh wrote:

Absolutely!

Football and German words are sometimes like some poetic form of art.

Horst Hrubesch was called Kopfballungeheuer...

I don't think it get's any better than that. Flatly translated it would mean 'The heading-monster' or headmonster. But it refers to big, dreadful, enormous monsters.

For his 50th birthday, a Belgian newspaper recently interviewed Marc Wilmots, former national team coach and striker for late '90s Schalke 04. Apparently he had to ask his German team mates whether his new nickname was meant as an insult or a compliment. A compliment, his colleagues ensured him, for his work rate and discipline. The nickname? Kampfschwein, or 'war pig'/'battle pig'.

I was thinking about Dutch terminology, and it occurred to me that colloquially we tend to use English terms over here in Flanders. Goal, scoren, corner, penalty, tackelen, ... One exception though: the German word for "a dive"... Schwalbe or swallow (the bird, not the verb).

I'd love, LOVE to see a big book about the football terminology of different languages/cultures, and the ways in which they sometimes overlap.

EDIT: I feel even more strongly about this now, after having heard Monday's Football Weekly and Sid Lowe's history of John Toshack speaking Spanish at Real Madrid and getting himself fired for introducing the "when pigs fly" idiom to Spanish football.

In other news, I finished up Season 2 at Fulham last night. We just missed out on a Europa league spot because our final few matches of the year went Liverpool-Palace-Man United-Tottenham-Man City. We came out of that with four points, which was pretty good all things considered, but Huddersfield (yes, Huddersfield) had a much easier run-in and beat us out.

But, we've got a solid platform for next season. I'll go into more detail later, when I'm actually in front of the game for reference, but January went transfer-crazy for us, and I ended up making like six or seven deals just before the window closed.

I do love that 'penalty' in German is 'elfmeter'. For years I wondered what it meant, until I discovered that in German, 'elf' means 11...and that the penalty spot is 11 meters from the goal. Don't blame me, I didn't study German at school.

I blame imperial measures - for years, I'd been hearing commentators talk about being 'twelve yards out'.

Wait, elfmeter isn't just Dutch?

Also : "de zestien meter" = the penalty box.

No, I believe it's used in Germany as well.

Is 11 'elf' in Dutch as well? (pardon my ignorance).

Finally finished my first season in FM19, in charge of my beloved home team of Southampton. And I'm wondering if the game is a little easier this time, as we finished fifth (3 points off 4th), and won the FA cup! So now I'm worshiped as a god on the south coast.

Danny Ings was the 2nd best striker, 5 goals behind some bloke at Spurs, and the 30 million quid I splurged on Butland from Stoke was worth every penny as he was 3rd best goalie behind De Gea and Allison.

FM19 is definitely the most fun I've had with a FM game in some time. I really liked FM18 too, but 19 has definitely improved things. The matches seem more varied (I actually had players score long shots an everything), and I even quite like the training this time.

Now onto the fun bit - rooting through the scout's reports and searching out the transfer-listed bargains. Hopefully I can find someone gullible to offload the dregs of my team onto. When Newcastle came in for Shane Long on transfer deadline day in January I almost ripped Benitez's arm off shaking it so hard.

Then who did I spot in among the transfer listed players? Poor old Long, surplus to requirements already! No wonder Mike Ashley keeps a tight hold of those purse strings if you're wasting his money like that Benitez!

davet010 wrote:

No, I believe it's used in Germany as well.

Is 11 'elf' in Dutch as well? (pardon my ignorance).

Affirmatief It has been said that Dutch is the bastard child of German and English...

davet010 wrote:

No, I believe it's used in Germany as well.

Is 11 'elf' in Dutch as well? (pardon my ignorance).

It's Dutch and German.

Funny, as a native Dutch I knew German quite well. But living and working in Sweden, I kind of lost all my German fluency on an active level while I mastered Swedish. Nowadays, if I hear people talking German, I think 'Oh cool! Swedish, I have to listen to learn', while I don't notice speaking swedish or dutch.

Good idea on the book. My family lives over the globe, I might just start with this. One half structured on actions and penalties, the other one on quotes and nicknames. Cruyff enriched the Spanish language with some terms and phrases he translated directly from Dutch. (He said bumpgooses instead of goosebymps so often that it became actually a saying in Catalan, I am told.. the same goes for at one point, una parra momenta, which reads for spanish like 'at a given moment.'

Come to think of it. There is a book in the Netherlands with sayings and insights of Cuyff. And it is brilliant.

'If you are late, you should leave ealier'
'You only see it, once you grok it'
'Every disadvantange has an advantage'
'For starters: there is one ball and you got to have it in possession. It all comes down to: what are you going to do with it'
'i don't have a religion. In Spain, all 22 players strike a cross entering the field. If this would work, every game would end in a draw'

The man was truly a legend.

Prederick wrote:

I'll go into more detail later, when I'm actually in front of the game for reference, but January went transfer-crazy for us, and I ended up making like six or seven deals just before the window closed.

Okay, yeah, so in the last 13 days of January, things went berserk. We said goodbye to four players (Mitro, Alfie Mawson and two other signings) for a grand total of $145M and ended up bringing in three new players in the last three days (two on deadline day), including Bournemouth's Lewis Cook. Just crazy, ended the season in the black though, with $140M spent and $175M received in transfers. And we've still got Ryan Sessegnon on the books!

In case you're curious, here's the Top 6 in England as of June 2020:

Liverpool
Arsenal
ManU
Chelsea
Leicester (No really)
Tottenham

City finished 7th, and we finished 8th. Palace, Watford and Derby all went down (Derby finished with just 14 points, coming oh so close to tying the previous record for PL futility, a mark held by... Derby).

No real surprises in any of the other big leagues outside of Real Madrid finishing a horrifying 6th and getting blitzed 5-2 on aggregate by Napoli in the CL QFs.

Speaking of, Liverpool did the double, winning the CL over PSG, while Mainz crushed ManU 4-1 in the Europa League final.

Prederick wrote:

I'd love, LOVE to see a big book about the football terminology of different languages/cultures, and the ways in which they sometimes overlap.

Well, better than nothing!

13. Buffelstoot – Buffalo push (Belgium)

The centre-forward has timed his run to perfection! He leaps into the air and meets the ball with a thumping header – a right buffalo push!

More of this please.

Apologies if this is just me having not noticed it, but there is a button at the top of my match screen (which looks like a whistle, I think), which allows me to turn the match over to my assistants.

Is this new ? Has anyone else actually tried it ?

In my current Celtic game, we've just pulled off the greatest win of my CL career there, beating a Jose-led Man Utd 2-0 in a CL group game at Celtic Park. I'm particularly happy because we've only made two signings (a cheap CM from Milan's reserves, and a Bayern castoff called Gaudino who was on a free.) More pleasingly, we weren't hanging on for grim death either - the only nervous moment was a Lukaku finish that was cancelled out.

Now, back to the grind of the SPL.

Fanatical has FM2019 on sale for $26.99 (after applying a FANATICAL10 code to the sale price). This was enough to nudge me along and buy the game. I've been encouraged by reading of all your recent adventures and praise of the game.

I'm finishing up a couple of other games first, but I'm thinking to start a career in a few weeks.

I'm curious, do people here download some of the face packs and logo packs for the game? I was looking at the DF11 Facepack here and it looked like something that might be a good idea.

Any different skins I should be considering too?

I have to get the facepacks etc in before starting a new FM.

I've got the following installed

10.0 Cutout megapack

Metallic logos

and a whole load of kit packs that I copied across from my 17-18 FM folder because I couldn't be fussed looking for new ones (EPL, Championship, Bundesliga 1&2, French league 1&2, Scottish leagues, Serie A&B, La Liga).

I got all mine from the Sortitoutsi site, but there are obviously others.

Never really bothered with skins, to be honest.

davet010 wrote:

I have to get the facepacks etc in before starting a new FM.

I've got the following installed

10.0 Cutout megapack

Metallic logos

and a whole load of kit packs that I copied across from my 17-18 FM folder because I couldn't be fussed looking for new ones (EPL, Championship, Bundesliga 1&2, French league 1&2, Scottish leagues, Serie A&B, La Liga).

I got all mine from the Sortitoutsi site, but there are obviously others.

Never really bothered with skins, to be honest.

That'll get me started, thanks! I'll poke about those resources and likely give something a try.

Then to pick a lowly team somewhere at the bottom of English football.

I'm looking at Hungerford Town, a semi-professional club in the Vanarama National League South. They have almost no money, the lowest possible training facility level, and no youth/academy program. They averaged just north of 300 fans a game last year and are predicted to finish 20th out of 22 teams in the league.

That looks fairly challenging!

Y'know, I've said this before, but after the last week of watching Messi utterly annihilate everything in front of him, I'd like to repeat again that FM Messi (at least when the AI is in control of him) literally isn't 1/3rd as good as real-life Messi.

and I get why they do that, SI probably wants to maintan a sense of in-game balance, and properly showing how head, shoulders and torso above everyone else Messi is would probably throw off the Game Engine somehow but....

...Good God, it's just so insane. I've played about 6 or 7 FM seasons now, and Messi has never cleared 30 goals in all competitions. Ever.

Real-life Messi hasn't scored fewer than 38 goals in all competitions since 2008. He's scored less than 30 league goals in that time frame three times.

It's the same thing with Ronaldo, where the players are so good in real life, they genuinely risk breaking the game by accurately modeling him. Because an in-form Messi/Ronaldo are literally unplayable.

I have had one Messi/Ronaldo-level newgen in FM10 - a striker who scored over 1,000 club goals and won 15 Ballon D'Ors in an Everton save but even then I don't think he dominated so much of the game - scoring, playmaking, ball progression through dribbling and passing - like Messi has.

So I do think there's something to what you're saying Pred. I do wonder if Messi would do better under a human manager but when I've tried to manage Barcelona in the past I got bored after a season or two. Player recruitment when you're at that level* and that big just isn't interesting and that's a huge part of the game for me.

*When you're playing a big, rich club there end up being so few viable transfer targets for you because you're at the top of the talent pyramid so there's basically no bargains to unearth and little room for wheeling-dealing.