Pixar and Dreamworks films discussions

Saw interviews with Hanks and Allen recently where they talked about how great the story was, that they had to come back.

I thought 3 was too many but then saw it, and it was fantastic. I'll give it a chance.

Nope, three was too many.

I'm good with that trailer. Surprised yall aren't.

Stele wrote:

Saw interviews with Hanks and Allen recently where they talked about how great the story was, that they had to come back.

I'm sure the $20 mil a piece to make the movie helped.

Spoiler:

I have no idea how much they get paid for these.

Mantid wrote:

Like with 3, I was skeptical, but pleasantly surprised. Hoping for the same with 4, even though that teaser did nothing for me.

Can't say the trailer did much for me. We'll see. I really thought they tied up things well with 3.

Finally saw Incredibles 2 this weekend. Great stuff!

A lot of the Jack Jack scenes had me rolling with laughter.

Will see if it holds up on repeat viewings like the first.

Stele wrote:

Finally saw Incredibles 2 this weekend. Great stuff!

A lot of the Jack Jack scenes had me rolling with laughter.

Will see if it holds up on repeat viewings like the first.

It has so far for us. The extra short starting Edna helps.

Man, the Toy Story ontological implications keep getting more and more horrifying.

At this point, does Toy Story 4 just go all in on the gulag from 3? PTSD and psychosis all around?

The darkest timeline. Maybe it will be rated R.

President Sid Phillips.

fangblackbone wrote:

Nope, three was too many.

Two was too many. I skipped #3.

The Toy Story 4 | Teaser Trailer Reaction was really good, but then that became not so surprising when I saw it was Keegan-Michael Key and Jordan Peele doing the voices.

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Oh so apparently I haven't missed Charming yet, it just hasn't come out despite imdb saying it did.
https://www.quora.com/Why-can-t-I-fi...

Toy Story 2 is one of the prime examples of a sequel being better than the original. I didn't think I'd ever hear anyone say that two was too many of Toy Story.

garion333 wrote:

Toy Story 2 is one of the prime examples of a sequel being better than the original. I didn't think I'd ever hear anyone say that two was too many of Toy Story.

I think I'd have to agree that Toy Story 2 was better than 1. It still made bank off the fundamental disconnect between mass-produced commodities that are treated simultaneously as entirely disposable and a source of pathos, but that's been true since the Velveteen Rabbit. Toy Story turned it up to 11, but there is precedent for your-toys-are-secretly-alive-but-we-also-burned-them-to-ash. Heck, between the Brave Little Toaster and Raggedy Ann & Andy: A Musical Adventure the Toy Story films aren't even in the running for weirdest and most disturbing children's movie about toys that come to life.

Also, the kids of the animation team grew up and went off to college, making the Pixar writers interested in different kinds of stories. Hence Toy Story 3, which is a bit of a continuation of the parents letting go of kids that was also expressed in Finding Nemo.

I'm just tired of Pixar wallowing in the crises of middle-aged men, and yet another Toy Story movie is an excellent platform for them to continue doing just that. I've joked that I wonder how many drafts of Inside Out it took before Riley's dad wasn't the main character, but I'm not actually joking.

ClockworkHouse wrote:

I'm just tired of Pixar wallowing in the crises of middle-aged men, and yet another Toy Story movie is an excellent platform for them to continue doing just that. I've joked that I wonder how many drafts of Inside Out it took before Riley's dad wasn't the main character, but I'm not actually joking.

Anger and Sadness were the main characters - it was a movie about mid-life crises.

I love that movie, but I'm still disappointed that they managed to make 2/5ths of Riley's emotions men, which they didn't do for any other character. Unless they're saying something about her gender, it just seems like more of Pixar bein' Pixar.

ClockworkHouse wrote:

I'm just tired of Pixar wallowing in the crises of middle-aged men, and yet another Toy Story movie is an excellent platform for them to continue doing just that. I've joked that I wonder how many drafts of Inside Out it took before Riley's dad wasn't the main character, but I'm not actually joking.

Not sure I agree with this. Cars was about young arrogance versus older wisdom. Up was about finding joy in life. Ratatouille, WALL-E, and Brave were also films were middle-age men were secondary characters at best.

Nevin73 wrote:
ClockworkHouse wrote:

I'm just tired of Pixar wallowing in the crises of middle-aged men, and yet another Toy Story movie is an excellent platform for them to continue doing just that. I've joked that I wonder how many drafts of Inside Out it took before Riley's dad wasn't the main character, but I'm not actually joking.

Not sure I agree with this. Cars was about young arrogance versus older wisdom. Up was about finding joy in life. Ratatouille, WALL-E, and Brave were also films were middle-age men were secondary characters at best.

Counterpoint. Cars 3 is absolutely about aging out of your prime and being (literally) overtaken by a new generation, and finding your peace with that.

I'll have to take your word on that one. After watching the steaming pile that was Cars 2, I tuned out.

Besides, it’s important to track the real world timeline of the Pixar movies. Toy Story came before Cars 3 in the lives of the animators, too; I suspect that there wasn’t a lot of turnover in the senior folks between those movies, and hence the consistency of real-life themes roughly matching the age of the creators.

I'm really enjoying the critique of the Pixar movie themes being based on the age of the creators.

That's not sarcasm, and I am not calling anyone out. I genuinely find it hilarious.

Get off my (animated) lawn!

Nevin73 wrote:
ClockworkHouse wrote:

I'm just tired of Pixar wallowing in the crises of middle-aged men, and yet another Toy Story movie is an excellent platform for them to continue doing just that. I've joked that I wonder how many drafts of Inside Out it took before Riley's dad wasn't the main character, but I'm not actually joking.

Not sure I agree with this. Cars was about young arrogance versus older wisdom. Up was about finding joy in life. Ratatouille, WALL-E, and Brave were also films were middle-age men were secondary characters at best.

Except for Brave (and even it has its moments) all of these movies are thematically preoccupied with the concerns and experiences of men of a particular age and particular class. Brave, Inside Out, and Coco deviate from this most, but they don't go especially far.

BadKen wrote:

I'm really enjoying the critique of the Pixar movie themes being based on the age of the creators.

That's not sarcasm, and I am not calling anyone out. I genuinely find it hilarious.

I don't think it's just their age, but their gender, their race, and their social class. Pixar started as a Silicon Valley tech company, and they've largely stuck with your stereotypical SV guy in their leadership and creative roles. It's a lot like gaming: lack of diversity at the top leads to lack of diversity in the output.

ClockworkHouse wrote:
BadKen wrote:

I'm really enjoying the critique of the Pixar movie themes being based on the age of the creators.

That's not sarcasm, and I am not calling anyone out. I genuinely find it hilarious.

I don't think it's just their age, but their gender, their race, and their social class. Pixar started as a Silicon Valley tech company, and they've largely stuck with your stereotypical SV guy in their leadership and creative roles. It's a lot like gaming: lack of diversity at the top leads to lack of diversity in the output.

That's definitely true. All the characters I can remember from Pixar films are white, Mexican, or monsters. Or toys. Or robots.

Who act and think just like... Nah.

No, you're right, they do. I don't even recall any non-white voice actors other than in Incredibles and Coco, though I hardly have an encyclopedic knowledge of Pixar voice actors.

I kind of liked Pixar films but now that you point it out, I can kind of see how they could be viewed as garbage media produced by privileged white men about privileged white men.

Now the whole studio is grossing me out. Fortunately the kids are old enough that they don’t care about seeing this junk anyways.

Not sure if I'd call it garbage media, but Clocky's on the money there. It's not like any of the rest of the world is expecting any other output from Hollywood, so while it's like that, it's also very much par for the course.