[Discussion] Privilege and Racism

A place to discuss issues surrounding racism, classism and privilege.

Demo and Baron are both kinda exactly where I'm at with this.

This is the first thread I’ve seen that fits my rant, so sorry if it isn’t quite right.

I’m a Hispanic male married to a white female. We’ve been together since January 2014 and married since June 2017. We had a child, first for us both, on Monday.

I grew up in North Carolina, and currently reside in Massachusetts. I have never experienced what felt to me like racism from decent human beings until this week at the hospital. It might be the area that our hospital is in, or maybe a side effect of the current state of marriage, but I’ve felt on a number of occasions that people were assuming I was a visitor rather than the father and spouse, or surprised that I would be spending the night rather than going home, or just surprised that we are married at all.

To clarify on the location aspect, the hospital is in a town that is 75% Hispanic and unfortunately white females that live here often have issues or are in abusive relationships. I guess my point is to sound like someone is making that presumption based on appearance rather than asking questions first is... well, racism.

Reposting this from another thread, but does this not look like a family?

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That sucks, big time, but congrats! That is one perfect looking little baby squishy face!

Thank you. She’s beyond perfect and we’re both super happy. My wife is a worrier and was anxious something would be wrong, despite all indications that she was fine.

I'm sorry you have to deal with that, but that is definitely a great looking family, and congratulations!

sh*t, I'm sorry man. If it makes you feel any better, my son doesn't look like me or my wife, and I can understand what you're going through.

Looook at the squishy looking face! Baby's cute too. Congratz Blind.

Yeah, looks like a family to me. Being part of a mixed race family can be a weird experience some times. People can bring lot of baggage.

wrong thread

So the other night I was showing my wife something on the iPad in our office, and I noticed a flashlight moving around in the next door house. Our neighbors are an old retired couple that don’t actually live there anymore, but show up one a week for a day or two to maintain the home. They are country folk, but want to keep the home in the family.

So it was weird to see anyone there on a Sunday night, and definitely weird to see a flashlight. To be clear, it seemed like the flashlight function on a smartphone.

I went out front to see if their car was there, and it wasn’t. Oddly, a few lights were in, and I could see someone was moving around, as shadows were moving. But I never saw a person.

I was kind of freaked, and considered calling the police. I was afraid to go to the door for obvious reasons. But for some reason I decided to walk down to the home of what is essentially the block matriarch.

There are a few close but families at the end of the block, and one of the has a kid that is a cop. I wanted to see if he was around and could do an informal check.

As it was, the matriarch had information. The couple was renting the home out to a missionary couple until the end of December. Then she told me that they were black, so don’t be freaked out.

That didn’t freak me out as much as the idea that I was close to calling the police. And I would have said I didn’t recognize the people. I wanted to puke.

I could have gotten innocent people killed. Best case, I would have been another white person calling the police on black people for living in my neighborhood. I mean, I never saw anyone, but the effect would have been the same.

And that’s where I am today. Thanking God that I didn’t call the police, because they would have surely made it worse.

I haven't seen Get Out yet but this seems like it could be the tl;dr version.

White people scare me.

Chairman_Mao wrote:

I haven't seen Get Out yet but this seems like it could be the tl;dr version.

White people scare me.

It definitely can't be. Watch it ASAP.

Stengah wrote:
Chairman_Mao wrote:

I haven't seen Get Out yet but this seems like it could be the tl;dr version.

White people scare me.

It definitely can't be. Watch it ASAP.

ok good to know!

Chairman_Mao wrote:
Stengah wrote:
Chairman_Mao wrote:

I haven't seen Get Out yet but this seems like it could be the tl;dr version.

White people scare me.

It definitely can't be. Watch it ASAP.

ok good to know!

No, the correct response is, “I shall rectify this heinous oversight immediately.“

Jesus christ that footage makes me so angry. Not only was there no reason to come charging out of the door with a shotgun but then to shoot at someone in the back whose running away?

I hope they hang that f*ck.

H.P. Lovesauce wrote:
Chairman_Mao wrote:
Stengah wrote:
Chairman_Mao wrote:

I haven't seen Get Out yet but this seems like it could be the tl;dr version.

White people scare me.

It definitely can't be. Watch it ASAP.

ok good to know!

No, the correct response is, “I shall rectify this heinous oversight immediately.“

I know I know... I have very little time to watch R-rated films with a kiddo around, but I will make it happen.

What the hell was that footage?! That's seriously screwed up.

RnRClown wrote:

What the hell was that footage?! That's seriously screwed up.

From the gun control thread.

Agent 86 wrote:

Jesus christ that footage makes me so angry. Not only was there no reason to come charging out of the door with a shotgun but then to shoot at someone in the back whose running away?

I hope they hang that f*ck.

How are his lap times?

So a lot of folks in my conservative social media circles are talking about Elizabeth Warren’s DNA results and how she’s been outed as a phony. While I don’t think it’s that big a deal, I’m wondering if this is a clear example of a prominent White woman using privilege to her benefit (ie, enjoying all the perks of coming from a White background but claiming to be a minority when it suits her.)

BTW I’m not letting Trump off the hook for being a racist, sexist ass. But this could hurt her in any future presidential race.

I think all of the hubbub surrounding Warren's Native American background is mostly BS. the only ones really talking about it are conservatives.

Maybe you could find what privilege she actually got because she assumed she had Native American ancestors. I'm failing to see why it's an issue, since it didn't get her a scholarship, didn't get her preferred enrollment, and didn't get her a job. It mostly just allowed political opponents to make a lot of hay out of nothing.

As for the test, yeah, she should probably not be playing this game with Trump. Facts don't matter, so dredging this back up again just give the usual conservative social media circles something to cackle about. There were no results that were going to be enough for them.

Personally, I think she does not have the temperament to be president because she spends too much time trying to be snarky and cute in attacking Trump. Love her ideas, but I got sick of her political games sometime ago. It just allows those same conservative social circles focus on her tweets and snark instead of issues. If we thought Hillary brought Trump up too much, Warren is going to be a disaster.

I think she is better suited for her role in the Senate.

jdzappa wrote:

So a lot of folks in my conservative social media circles are talking about Elizabeth Warren’s DNA results and how she’s been outed as a phony.

?

Her DNA test shows exactly what she's always claimed, that there is some Native ancestry several generations back.

I realize they're just parroting Fox News / Trump talking points, but the cognitive dissonance is still deafening.

jdzappa wrote:

So a lot of folks in my conservative social media circles are talking about Elizabeth Warren’s DNA results and how she’s been outed as a phony.

Has she? She claimed that she had some Native American ancestry, which turned out to be true. Apparently she's somewhere between 1/32 and 1/512 Native American, which admittedly isn't much, but some tribes only require 1/16 native ancestry for membership so at best she's only a single generation removed from meeting that requirement. AFAIK she's never received any special treatment as a result of her native ancestry.

The whole thing would have been a complete non-issue anyway if Trump and his ilk hadn't kept going after her with that "Pocahontas" bullsh*t.

I get the desire to show Trump up as a hypocrite, particularly regarding his boast to donate a million bucks to charity if she provided proof.

Thing is, everybody either already knew Trump is a bullsh*t artist and a tight-fisted one at that, or they've convinced themselves he's not and nothing can break through that degree of self-deception.

Nothing's changed, except Warren scoring a cheap political point that doesn't achieve anything other than to stir up the pre-existing resentment of Trumpkins.

Yeah unfortunately she comes off worse from this exchange because it looks like she let Trump get to her on a personal level, even though I doubt that's the case. I would like her to focus on saving the CFPB, which really was an amazing accomplishment.

muttonchop wrote:
jdzappa wrote:

So a lot of folks in my conservative social media circles are talking about Elizabeth Warren’s DNA results and how she’s been outed as a phony.

Has she? She claimed that she had some Native American ancestry, which turned out to be true. Apparently she's somewhere between 1/32 and 1/512 Native American, which admittedly isn't much, but some tribes only require 1/16 native ancestry for membership so at best she's only a single generation removed from meeting that requirement. AFAIK she's never received any special treatment as a result of her native ancestry.

The whole thing would have been a complete non-issue anyway if Trump and his ilk hadn't kept going after her with that "Pocahontas" bullsh*t.

Blood quantum is a highly contentious topic in native communities.

Reaper81 wrote:
muttonchop wrote:
jdzappa wrote:

So a lot of folks in my conservative social media circles are talking about Elizabeth Warren’s DNA results and how she’s been outed as a phony.

Has she? She claimed that she had some Native American ancestry, which turned out to be true. Apparently she's somewhere between 1/32 and 1/512 Native American, which admittedly isn't much, but some tribes only require 1/16 native ancestry for membership so at best she's only a single generation removed from meeting that requirement. AFAIK she's never received any special treatment as a result of her native ancestry.

The whole thing would have been a complete non-issue anyway if Trump and his ilk hadn't kept going after her with that "Pocahontas" bullsh*t.

Blood quantum is a highly contentious topic in native communities.

This is an article by a Native writer that touches on the blood quantum issue and the problems with Warren's blood test.

That's a really interesting article. I hadn't thought about it in that context.

I am liberal and I personally find her claim for native ancestry offputting, ignorant and offensive. 1/1024th? Get the f*ck out of here, white lady of privilege.

SallyNasty wrote:

I am liberal and I personally find her claim for native ancestry offputting, ignorant and offensive. 1/1024th? Get the f*ck out of here, white lady of privilege.

Both my wife and I have 1st nation ancestory, her father was cree my grandfather grew up on a reservation in Ontario. We have friends that are still active in tribes and we both agree it feels very disingenuous to say we have native backgrounds. If you have never lived with a tribe or grew up with the culture I dont see how anyone can claim to be "native".

I have kind of sworn off of posting on these boards but that article is really important. And really speaks to my own insecurities about heritage claims. My wife and I often wonder if it's even worth teaching our daughter at this point since both of us are so far removed.

I'll fully admit I was too quick to jump to Warren's defense, I've just been so sick of all the sh*t-slinging directed at her from the right that I was over-eager to view this as a moment of vindication for her.

I hadn't stopped to consider how a claim like this affects other people of Native American/First Nations ancestry, and for that I apologize.