NFL 2018 Draft Thread

Jags can always sign Josh Freeman.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

Amazed at the haul the Bucs and Packers both got for their trades, when everybody else is just shifting around 3rd/4th rounders.

Free 1st round next year to just slide down and take who I assume they wanted anyways?

The Bucs move was maybe better considering 2nd round bodies this year > future 1st. They need bodies.

Hey, the Browns have three second-rounders. Let’s see whose careers we ruin tonight.

Baker 4 life!

Nope, still can’t get excited.

Wow, I went to bed after the Pats picked. Lololol

So glad the Ravens made that move. Now they just need to figure out how to use him.

I'm not liking the TE Hayden Hurst pick. I would've prefered Goedert or Gesicki for their athletic upside. My main gripe is the absolute lack of TDs by Hurst. He may move the sticks, but why does he disappear in the red zone? Troubling.

Seems like a safe pick with a higher floor, but lower ceiling. Bleh.

Still, better pick than the 29th selection.

Good thing the Ravens made up for it all and took Lamar Jackson.

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The Browns are in the enviable position of taking RBs Guice or Chubb. or the aforementioned Goedert or Gesicki, though the Browns are rich at TE with DeValve and Njoku.

Heck, I could see them picking up a pass rusher here like Harold Landry who apparently has an injury red flag to explain his drop.

I've become progressively more OK with the Vita Vea pick; the Bucs have three second-rounders now (thanks Buffalo!) in a good secondary draft, and they can in my perfect world pick up a safety, corner, and RB. Also, between eternally goofy Gerald McCoy and this:

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We've got the singly most goddamn pleasant interior defensive line in the league. Vea just seems so nice.

Dude, you guys drafted Haloti Ngata to pair with Gerald McCoy. I realize Chris Conte is still on the roster and whatnot, but damned if Vea + McCoy isn't something special.

Can't say the same about that 29th pick.

I still would have preferred Derwin James, who was as about as perfect a marriage of BPA + need as you're ever going to find, but I expect the new line of JPP, McCoy, Vea, and Vinny Curry should be pretty spectacular, barring injuries or more bad decisions with fireworks. There are still a couple decent safeties out there in Reid and Harrison, but, man, Derwin James just fit kind of perfectly.

If Vea is Ngata (which is going to be hard to do), sure, this is great, but some secondary help is really needed.

Some thoughts on the Browns:

Baker Mayfield vs Sam Darnold was likely the discussion since they traded for and extended Jarvis Landry.

I think there's a strong chance that Baker Mayfield was the guy since they traded for Tyrod Taylor. There's a plan here though I'm not sure how well a fit Mayfield is for Hue Jackson's West Coast. Frankly, Kizer was likely the better physical fit for Hue, but at this point Hue's list of QBs has no consistency at all. Meaning, who the f*ck knows what he's thinking?!?!?!

We've touched on how the Mayfield-Manziel comparison is a bit off, but even though I find it hilarious they kinda sorta drafted Manziel again, the fact is that Mayfield isn't the lazy ass that Manziel was. That right there makes him a way, way better pick than Manziel ever was. (He cried when he got the call. The dude is a human, unlike Manziel who was just a prick.)

Mayfield's stellar performance against Ohio State has got to factor into why they went with him over Darnold (who was crushed by Ohio State).

Speaking of Ohio State, Denzel Ward's proximity also had to be a reason for him going so high. I probably would've Sashi-ed my way down a bit and then still get him, but this feels a little like a mea culpa on passing on Marshon Lattimore last year. The Browns desperately needed CB help as Breshad Perriman Antonio Brown continues to kill them twice a year.

As an aside, Denzel Ward is a true native of Cleveland as he grew up where my in-laws live, all 15 minutes from where I currently reside. That's pretty cool.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

I still would have preferred Derwin James, who was as about as perfect a marriage of BPA + need as you're ever going to find, but I expect the new line of JPP, McCoy, Vea, and Vinny Curry should be pretty spectacular, barring injuries or more bad decisions with fireworks. There are still a couple decent safeties out there in Reid and Harrison, but, man, Derwin James just fit kind of perfectly.

If Vea is Ngata (which is going to be hard to do), sure, this is great, but some secondary help is really needed.

Tell your QB to quit turning it over and pass D becomes less of an issue.

Does seem that going DT is a bit of a reaction to all the RBs in the division. Then again, the division also has some, oh, quality WRs.

Guess the idea is to now take three DBs in the 2nd.

garion333 wrote:

He cried when he got the call.

You'd cry if the Browns picked you, too.

bighoppa wrote:
garion333 wrote:

He cried when he got the call.

You'd cry if the Browns picked you, too.

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It is worth your time to tune into the Mina Kimes Experience on Twitter for the draft. She's a bit emotionally invested. This was her reaction to the Josh Allen selection.

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garion333 wrote:

Can't say the same about that 29th pick.

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My favorite tweet from last night, courtesy of Rivers McCown:

"Zay Jones had a 36% catch rate BEFORE he played with Josh Allen."

Two second-round picks.

It's OK, their other wideout has good hands, right? It's Kelvin BenjamOH sh*t

Josh Allen has to improve in accuracy. You can't legitimately be a 58% thrower in the modern NFL. The team would replace you at the first available opportu... OH I GUESS NOT.

Legion, this Bud's for you:

Ben Muth: I think Nelson is going to be a really good player. He is the only Notre Dame offensive lineman I would've taken in the top 25. I think McGlinchey could struggle. Stops his feet when he punches and doesn't play with a ton of natural strength.

Aside: Maybe it's because I just haven't had the gusto of years past regarding the NFL, but it's very interesting to view the draft from a more removed position.

Case in point: Last week I had never, not once, heard Baker Mayfield compared to Johnny Manziel. It was only after it seemed that Cleveland was really interested in him that I heard anything about "Manziel 2.0". Yesterday and today I couldn't see his name mentioned anywhere without someone making the comparison.

It's pretty amazing just how quickly the narratives can be born and come fully to life when talking about the draft.

Patriots trade the 95th pick in exchange for Trent Brown and the 143rd pick. I guess the 49ers weren't to happy with Brown's performance for them to replace him?

garion333 wrote:

Legion, this Bud's for you:

Ben Muth: I think Nelson is going to be a really good player. He is the only Notre Dame offensive lineman I would've taken in the top 25. I think McGlinchey could struggle. Stops his feet when he punches and doesn't play with a ton of natural strength.

He held his own against Bradley Chubb, whose only sack against ND this past season was on a play he was blocked by someone else. I'm not too worried about him. I think he projects better to the right side than the left, and the Niners seem to agree, as they are exploring trade options for Trent Brown, who is in the last year of his deal.

Plus, this is a Shanahan system. They put a premium on guys that can move and operate out in space. That's definitely McGlinchey.

EDIT: Looks like that trade of Brown happened.

EvilDead wrote:

Patriots trade the 95th pick in exchange for Trent Brown and the 143rd pick. I guess the 49ers weren't to happy with Brown's performance for them to replace him?

Brown isn't a fit for a Shanahan system. He's gigantic, 370+ pounds. Not a get-to-the-second-level kind of guy. Good player when he's healthy, but a bad scheme fit for the Shanahan regime. Struggles with keeping his weight under control - he was 355 at the Combine, which is where he should be, but he showed up to offseason workouts over 400 pounds.

Abu5217 wrote:

Aside: Maybe it's because I just haven't had the gusto of years past regarding the NFL, but it's very interesting to view the draft from a more removed position.

Case in point: Last week I had never, not once, heard Baker Mayfield compared to Johnny Manziel. It was only after it seemed that Cleveland was really interested in him that I heard anything about "Manziel 2.0". Yesterday and today I couldn't see his name mentioned anywhere without someone making the comparison.

It's pretty amazing just how quickly the narratives can be born and come fully to life when talking about the draft.

Oh, the lazy comparison to Manziel has been dogging Mayfield for quite a while. His height, attitude and penchant for extending plays are they key factors there, but Manziel talk quieted down a bit once people started to dig into his tape. He's not really Manziel 2.0, but it's kinda funny and they are still more similar than, say, Manziel and Rosen.

Biggest difference between Mayfield and Manziel:

Mayfield tries to operate out of the pocket. Struggles with finding passing lanes due to height and will drift around, but he intends to operate from the pocket.

Manziel never saw a clean pocket that he wasn't ready to unnecessarily run away from.

Second biggest difference: Mayfield has NFL caliber throwing power. Manziel did not, and that's not hindsight talking, because it's all I said about Manziel pre-draft.

Abu5217 wrote:

It was only after it seemed that Cleveland was really interested in him that I heard anything about "Manziel 2.0". Yesterday and today I couldn't see his name mentioned anywhere without someone making the comparison.

What makes him "Manziel 2.0" most is that Cleveland part, specifically, Cleveland drafting a QB while leaving seemingly better QB prospects on the board.

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MilkmanDanimal wrote:

Jags can always sign Josh Freeman.

THEY ALREADY HAVE HIM

Don't you get it? Don't you know where all my Freeman animosity comes from?

QB1: 6-6, 240, 57.6% career passer, 4.0 TD%, 3.3 INT%, threw over 4000 yards that one time
QB2: 6-5, 232, 59.1% career passer, 4.0 TD%, 2.9 INT%, threw over 4000 yards that one time

Which is which? Same guy!

FREEMAN IS BORTLES

BORTLES IS FREEMAN

*Legion* wrote:
MilkmanDanimal wrote:

Jags can always sign Josh Freeman.

THEY ALREADY HAVE HIM

Don't you get it? Don't you know where all my Freeman animosity comes from?

QB1: 6-6, 240, 57.6% career passer, 4.0 TD%, 3.3 INT%, threw over 4000 yards that one time
QB2: 6-5, 232, 59.1% career passer, 4.0 TD%, 2.9 INT%, threw over 4000 yards that one time

Which is which? Same guy!

FREEMAN IS BORTLES

BORTLES IS FREEMAN

You want to be rid of BortlesFreeman? There's one sure way to break him:

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Reddit commenter wrote:

With Posluszny retiring, we needed to replace our one white defensive player

*Legion* wrote:

What makes him "Manziel 2.0" most is that Cleveland part, specifically, Cleveland drafting a QB while leaving seemingly better QB prospects on the board.

They could have taken anyone they wanted at #1 and still got Mayfield at #4, right? Worst case scenario, they end up with wither Rosen or Darnold.

I wanted to think things would g better, because Dorsey is not this dumb. I don't mind them focusing on the QB they wanted, even if it is questionable, but there are ways to do that without giving up all the value your picks have.

Jayhawker wrote:

They could have taken anyone they wanted at #1 and still got Mayfield at #4, right? Worst case scenario, they end up with wither Rosen or Darnold.

It's possible the Jets would have taken Mayfield at #3. And there was a threat of the Giants taking a QB, which they may have been more inclined to do if Barkley were off the board.

But yes, no matter what, they would have had a minimum of 2 of the top 4 QBs to choose from at pick #4.

Browns take Austin Corbett to kick off round 2.

I liked Will Hernandez better, who the Giants snapped up with the very next pick.

Browns get their RB in Nick Chubb with the 3rd pick of round 2.

A day later, this thread is still entertaining.

Meanwhile in Carolina, half of Panther Nation was begging Marty Hurney to pick a receiver, and half is mad that he actually did. It could be the same half, to be honest. Panthers Fan most days is three bricks shy of a full deck of cards.

D.J. Moore seems good, I guess. Steve Smith loooooves the guy, and I love Steve Smith so.

Maybe Carolina will take some DBs tonight, especially because after last night's ATL's draft strategy seems to be we're-gonna-score-80-points-a-game-and-just-try-to-outscore-us.