NFL 2018 Draft Thread

Holy sh*t. I had no idea Vita Vea weighs over 340 lbs. That there is a mountain.

Also, Leighton Vander Esch is my new favorite rookie.

garion333 wrote:

Holy sh*t. I had no idea Vita Vea weighs over 340 lbs. That there is a mountain.

He's the next Dontari Poe.

F**k all Boise State Potatoes.

*Legion* wrote:
garion333 wrote:

Holy sh*t. I had no idea Vita Vea weighs over 340 lbs. That there is a mountain.

He's the next Dontari Poe.

You mean he throws a mean TD pass?

I knew he was big, but I didn't realize he was THAT big and could get to the QB. He'd be useful on so many defenses I don't even know where to begin.

Gawd I hope he doesn't somehow fall to the Patriots.

The Reuben Foster story just took a weird turn.

Elissa Ennis, the former girlfriend, released a statement through her attorney, Stephanie Rickard, in which she said she can prove Foster was not responsible for her injuries.

“(Foster) did not strike her, injure her or threaten her,” Rickard said in the statement.

Ennis’ injuries were the result of a physical fight with another woman, and that Foster tried to end his relationship with Ennis after he learned of the fight, Rickard said.

There is a video of that fight with another woman, according to Rickard.

“She was extremely upset and told him if he broke up with her she would ‘trash his career,’ ” Rickard said.

Rickard said after Ennis realized what she had done, she went back to the Santa Clara County District Attorney’s office and tried to recant her previous statement.

Hmm. The cynic in me wonders if this is a pay-off, but if there is indeed video that shows that the woman's injuries were sustained in a fight with someone else, that would certainly change things.

I wonder if this explains why the 49ers were taking things slowly.

It is, it's why John Lynch said "if there's proof he hit a woman he's out".

Alright, so where are we going to be for draft chat?

I suggest the #everything-else channel in the GWJ Discord, which, unlike Slack, you won't need to wait for an admin approval to get into if you've never joined it before.

I don't care where we are a song as we can post The Good Place Bortles gifs.

Josh Allen's tweets featuring multiple uses of the n-word unearthed; can someone tell me how the hell the first thing an agent does in this day an age is not have someone completely and utterly scrub through someone's social media history and get rid of, well, exactly this?

Yeah, I don't know why they didn't simply kill off, oh, all his tweets from High School. Much easier to nuke it form orbit.

Ugh what a mess. Thank goodness Twitter and Facebook wasn't around when I was a kid..

I am so excited going into this draft. Giants have the 2nd pick and there is so much speculation on what/who they will pick.

Is it a win now and get the RB approach?

Or perhaps a "how often do they get to pick this high, our QB is 37 years old, get a QB"?

Do they trade down and get more picks to plug holes left behind by CB, offensive line and DE departures?

Dylan Cantrell is my dark horse WR prospect. He's got the size, hands and block grit to be the next Anquan Boldin.

My hope is for the Ravens to snag him because Flacco is currently less of a quality passer than Josh Allen. They need someone who can catch anything thrown their way.

D.J. Moore was my original dark horse, but he blew the combine up in such a way that I expect he'll be gone in the 1st round. Cantrell didn't blow away the combine, but he's a big dude so the numbers have to be taken in context. He almost became a 3Sigma athlete.

That said, he is never going to be a down-the-field receiver, but pairing him back up with Patrick Mahomes would be perfect thanks to his gunslinger mentality. Hell, he'd be a good fit for whoever takes Baker Mayfield.

whispa wrote:

Ugh what a mess. Thank goodness Twitter and Facebook wasn't around when I was a kid..

I am so excited going into this draft. Giants have the 2nd pick and there is so much speculation on what/who they will pick.

Is it a win now and get the RB approach?

Or perhaps a "how often do they get to pick this high, our QB is 37 years old, get a QB"?

Do they trade down and get more picks to plug holes left behind by CB, offensive line and DE departures?

Yes to everything.

The Giants are in PRIME position to not take a RB with their 1st and still get a stud at the top of the 2nd.

That leaves them open to get a QB or one of the many other pieces they need. Personally, with their defensive transition I would probably want to get a new Edge rusher. I have no idea how well Chubb fits in to their new scheme, but he's such a good all around talent I would think he'd be a good pick.

CB is an obvious need.

Frankly, they should drop back a few, pass on a QB high in the 1st, and take OG Nelson. With the extra picks from moving down they can take a project QB and a RB later in the 1st or 2nd.

Great points Garion, and to be honest, I would be OK with each of those decisions. They have a lot of needs to if they move back a bit and get more, I am OK with it. I am eager to see what the new "regime" does, moving away from the McAdoo / Reese fiasco.

The Giants should take Saquon Barkley so that Tampa does not. FO's BackCast metric thinks Barkley is a phenomenal prospect, but, regardless how good he is, there are comparably solid players at positions of screaming need.

There are so many good RBs this year that I'm considering Barkley almost a wasted pick. Dude is a legit receiving threat that'll be a huge hit in fantasy football, but you can get almost as good a runner much later into the draft.

As far as FF is concerned, I've barely scouted the RBs this year because where they land will likely be more important than the small wrinkles of difference between their talent.

garion333 wrote:

Frankly, they should drop back a few, pass on a QB high in the 1st, and take OG Nelson. With the extra picks from moving down they can take a project QB and a RB later in the 1st or 2nd.

I wouldn't pass on Josh Rosen.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

Be specific; the only OL worth the #7 pick is OG Quenton Nelson. If the Bucs take somebody else that high it would be Aguayo territory in terms of wasting value.

Mike McGlinchey would be a bit of a reach at #7, but he wouldn't be anywhere near trading-up-for-Aguayo value wasted. I can see him working his way into the #10-15 range, and I wouldn't be completely shocked if he wormed his way into the bottom of the top 10. There really are very few definite "top 10" players in this class. There's just some guys mocked there more often than others.

*Legion* wrote:
garion333 wrote:

Frankly, they should drop back a few, pass on a QB high in the 1st, and take OG Nelson. With the extra picks from moving down they can take a project QB and a RB later in the 1st or 2nd.

I wouldn't pass on Josh Rosen.

Neither would I and that's a good point. I'm not sure how long they plan on keeping Pie Face around, but I would take Rosen for sure.

For whatever reason, NFL people don't seem to think as highly and I was mostly basing my thinking off that.

sh*t, if the Jets want to jump up and take Mayfield or whoever then let them. Rosen will fall to 5 then. Or is Buffalo in the way?

Anyway, it's a dangerous game either way but I keep feeling like they'd rather have a developmental guy behind Eli for two seasons and they can get that outside of the top 5.

Taking Mason Rudolph at the top of round 2 certainly wouldn't be a bad develop-behind-Eli plan. But tread lightly, teams who do not fear QB Have-Not Purgatory, lest you spend the next 20 years like the Buffalo Bills, always between 6-10 and an occasional 9-7 6th seed wildcard.

Me, I'd grab the best QB prospect I could get to prepare for Life After Eli. I can find a cornerback somewhere else. Heck, I think the CB I like best in the draft will be on the board for their 2nd round pick.

whispa wrote:

Ugh what a mess. Thank goodness Twitter and Facebook wasn't around when I was a kid..

Don't know about you, but when I was a kid, especially in high school, I knew the N word was off limits. And his high school years are a lot more recent than mine.

If it comes down to a QB or RB, I would go with QB since I lived through life prior to Eli and the Giants had their share of mediocre to abysmal QB's.

LeapingGnome wrote:
whispa wrote:

Ugh what a mess. Thank goodness Twitter and Facebook wasn't around when I was a kid..

Don't know about you, but when I was a kid, especially in high school, I knew the N word was off limits. And his high school years are a lot more recent than mine.

Oh, I absolutely agree that to me, that word was always off limits as well. I was thinking more in general terms since at times, I say whatever comes to mind and it can get me in trouble.

The tweets in question are obviously Central Valley white boy who has barely ever seen a black person in real life* trying to sound cool, not making intentionally racially malicious comments. Which does not excuse the action in any way, of course, but just noting the lack of an even worse intent.

*: Fresno County is only 5% black, and that population is almost entirely within the city of Fresno and a couple other select locations. Go out into the little farm towns like Firebaugh, and even that low number drops like a stone. Overwhelmingly Latino, of course, as is the Valley at large, but almost zero African-American presence.

You'd never hear Leighton Vander Esch use that word.

Panthers will be picking late, which means who knows who they'll take.

Options seem to be:

* DB (Justin Reid of Stanford, Jaire Alexander of Louisville or Josh Jackson of Iowa)

* WR (Calvin Ridley of Alabama or D.J. Moore of Maryland)

* TE (Hayden Hurst of South Carolina)

* or an O-lineman, who they can get in later rounds

A safety, maybe a receiver and maybe an O-lineman would start right away. Maybe a CB, too.

Or maybe the Panthers will draft a better owner. Can't be any worse than the waste of human flesh they have now.

UpToIsomorphism wrote:

I hate being a Cleveland Browns fan.

This could just be the same "Browns are going to take Trubisky #1" stuff from last year.

Then again, Josh "N-word Twitta" Allen may have given them reason to tip the scales in another direction. (Why not in Sam Darnold's direction, though, I wouldn't understand, and why the conversation for pick #1 doesn't begin and end with Josh Rosen, I'll never understand.)

I know, just once I would like to draft the guy whose big flaws are that he is too intellectual, does too much charity work, and is too socially conscious.

UpToIsomorphism wrote:

I know, just once I would like to draft the guy whose big flaws are that he is too intellectual, does too much charity work, and is too socially conscious.

Sorry man, I'm too old

/cackles

whispa wrote:
UpToIsomorphism wrote:

I know, just once I would like to draft the guy whose big flaws are that he is too intellectual, does too much charity work, and is too socially conscious.

Sorry man, I'm too old

/cackles

Listen, I had the same shoulder surgery Andrew Luck did a few months before he did, and I'm throwing just as many real NFL football these days as he is. Therefore, by the transitive property, I am worthy of the overall #1 pick.

CLEVELAND I AM YOUR SAVIOR MAKE A SPACE FOR ME ON THE ENDLESS QB JERSEY