[News] Trump, Russia, and the 2016 Election

All news related to Donald Trump's alleged ties to Russia and to the Russian interference in the 2016 Presidential election. New details should be cited to reputable sources.

Or the Steele allegation that the Kremlin had a say in choosing Tillerson and scuttling Romney as SoS.

Time stamping that interview for convenience.

5:20 "I think Mueller has enough on Trump, he doesn't need me to start giving him information on Roger Stone and Steve Bannon."

9:34 "He (Donald Trump) talked about it (the Trump tower meeting) a week before" ... "I don't know why he went around trying to hide that"

11:03 "I'm not going to into a Grand Jury so that they can set a case up against Roger Stone"

11:57 "Carter Page was colluding with the Russians" ... "Yes, I believe Carter Page was colluding with the Russians"

Nunberg is not a shiny object thrown out there to distract us, just that single Tapper interview was really damaging to the Administration's case, and he had several others that day that I didn't watch for additional bombshells. People seem to be thinking "this guy sounds sooo crazy and legally damaging, but he can't actually be self-destructing this bad, there must be an elaborate reason this is actually good for Trump..."

Nope, Trump hires unstable incompetents, and this unstable incompetent just melted down on live television due to the stress of being targeted by the Mueller investigation, that's bad for Trump. It's amazing that I have to say that, but it's bad for Trump.

Actually, I think Roger Stone is in deep sh*t and he sent Nunberg out there to burn himself as a possible witness to protect Stone.

I think Mueller is getting close to 100% prosecutable case that Roger Stone was the link between Trump and Russia. That's just a guess, but I can see a scenario where *someone* has an interest in that nonsense that happened yesterday.

garion333 wrote:
Or he may be auditioning for immunity, by convincing Mueller that he may possess information that the special counsel would find useful, and that he would cooperate if protected from legal exposure.

Aaaand now he's cooperating. He's hoping he's gonna get a break on the sh*t that's going to be handed out eventually. I don't think he knows enough otherwise he wouldn't have had to pull a stunt like yesterday.

The time for Nunberg to audition for immunity wasn't yesterday. It was a few weeks ago when Mueller interviewed him.

Gremlin wrote:

The administration is staffed with too many people looking out for themselves who tend to trip over each other. That as sufficient an explanation as you need, I think.

They're not just looking out for themselves. They're just not that good. Trump has surrounded himself with inexperienced, D-list political operatives.

Working on Trump's campaign was literally the highlight of Nunberg's career. And most of his work on the campaign happened 18 months before Trump publicly declared his candidacy. And he was fired for f*cking up. Twice.

I don't understand how anything that happened yesterday burns Nunberg as a witness.

Yonder wrote:

I don't understand how anything that happened yesterday burns Nunberg as a witness.

I'm not saying it does. I'm saying that's what I feel like they were going for. Make him seem unreliable as a grand jury witness.

DSGamer wrote:

Actually, I think Roger Stone is in deep sh*t and he sent Nunberg out there to burn himself as a possible witness to protect Stone.

Acting unhinged in front of the cameras for a day isn't going to "burn" Nunberg as a witness. Nunberg's value to Mueller are his emails from 2014-2016. If anything yesterday gives Mueller more leverage to get those emails.

Nunberg's freaking out because he knows what embarrassment/damage those emails could do to Stone, who is his hero, mentor, and former boss.

Not to mention that having someone as connected as Stone upset at Nunberg isn't exactly going to help out Nunberg's consultancy, which I'm sure is just absolutely booming because all the movers and shakers in DC want to work with guy who graduated from an unranked law school, got fired by Trump twice, and probably has a drinking problem.

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The Penguin has gotten away with terrorizing Gotham for too long.

DSGamer wrote:

Actually, I think Roger Stone is in deep sh*t and he sent Nunberg out there to burn himself as a possible witness to protect Stone.

I think Mueller is getting close to 100% prosecutable case that Roger Stone was the link between Trump and Russia. That's just a guess, but I can see a scenario where *someone* has an interest in that nonsense that happened yesterday.

After one of the interviews yesterday, the host asked his panel of they thought Nionberg understood the only way he going to be able to protect Roger Stone from is testimony is by marrying him.

DSGamer wrote:
Yonder wrote:

I don't understand how anything that happened yesterday burns Nunberg as a witness.

I'm not saying it does. I'm saying that's what I feel like they were going for. Make him seem unreliable as a grand jury witness.

You are trying to apply reason to those lacking reason.

Dimmerswitch wrote:

The Penguin has gotten away with terrorizing Gotham for too long.

He looks more like a lavender Riddler.

NYT has an article up saying that Trump has been asking those that were called by Mueller how the conversations went.

Special counsel Robert Mueller's investigators are aware of two occasions where Trump asked witnesses about conversations they had with investigators, The New York Times reported Wednesday, citing three people familiar with the encounters.
President Donald Trump reportedly asked his former chief of staff Reince Priebus if special counsel investigators had been "nice" during his interview, according to The New York Times, citing two people familiar with the conversation.
n the other instance, Trump reportedly told an aide that White House counsel Donald McGahn should put out a statement denying a previous Times report -- in which the paper said McGahn told investigators that Trump asked him to fire Mueller.

Mueller gathers evidence that 2017 Seychelles meeting was effort to establish back channel to Kremlin

Look at this big ole nothingburger here.

Special counsel Robert S. Mueller III has gathered evidence that a secret meeting in Seychelles just before the inauguration of Donald Trump was an effort to establish a back channel between the incoming administration and the Kremlin — apparently contradicting statements made to lawmakers by one of its participants, according to people familiar with the matter.

In January 2017, Erik Prince, the founder of the private security company Blackwater, met with a Russian official close to Russian President Vladi­mir Putin and later described the meeting to congressional investigators as a chance encounter that was not a planned discussion of U.S.-Russia relations.

A witness cooperating with Mueller has told investigators the meeting was set up in advance so that a representative of the Trump transition could meet with an emissary from Moscow to discuss future relations between the countries, according to the people familiar with the matter, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive matters.

I forget. What's it call when you purposefully make false or misleading statements when you're under oath?

OG_slinger wrote:

I forget. What's it call when you purposefully make false or misleading statements when you're under oath?

Stupid?

Parley?

Jolly Bill wrote:

Parley?

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OG_slinger wrote:

I forget. What's it call when you purposefully make false or misleading statements when you're under oath?

Perfectly okay if it's about sex?

WizKid wrote:
OG_slinger wrote:

I forget. What's it call when you purposefully make false or misleading statements when you're under oath?

Perfectly okay if it's about sex?

I mean, it's not like the House has impeached past presidents over it, right?

JC wrote:

NYT has an article up saying that Trump has been asking those that were called by Mueller how the conversations went.

Special counsel Robert Mueller's investigators are aware of two occasions where Trump asked witnesses about conversations they had with investigators, The New York Times reported Wednesday, citing three people familiar with the encounters.
President Donald Trump reportedly asked his former chief of staff Reince Priebus if special counsel investigators had been "nice" during his interview, according to The New York Times, citing two people familiar with the conversation.
n the other instance, Trump reportedly told an aide that White House counsel Donald McGahn should put out a statement denying a previous Times report -- in which the paper said McGahn told investigators that Trump asked him to fire Mueller.

That sounds more than a little bit like witness tampering.

WP: Mueller gathers evidence that 2017 Seychelles meeting was effort to establish back channel to Kremlin

Special counsel Robert S. Mueller III has gathered evidence that a secret meeting in Seychelles just before the inauguration of Donald Trump was an effort to establish a back channel between the incoming administration and the Kremlin — apparently contradicting statements made to lawmakers by one of its participants, according to people familiar with the matter.

In January 2017, Erik Prince, the founder of the private security company Blackwater, met with a Russian official close to Russian President Vladi­mir Putin and later described the meeting to congressional investigators as a chance encounter that was not a planned discussion of U.S.-Russia relations.

Look, even the mercenaries are committing perjury.

EDIT: DSGamerhausered.

Gremlin wrote:

WP: Mueller gathers evidence that 2017 Seychelles meeting was effort to establish back channel to Kremlin

Special counsel Robert S. Mueller III has gathered evidence that a secret meeting in Seychelles just before the inauguration of Donald Trump was an effort to establish a back channel between the incoming administration and the Kremlin — apparently contradicting statements made to lawmakers by one of its participants, according to people familiar with the matter.

In January 2017, Erik Prince, the founder of the private security company Blackwater, met with a Russian official close to Russian President Vladi­mir Putin and later described the meeting to congressional investigators as a chance encounter that was not a planned discussion of U.S.-Russia relations.

Look, even the mercenaries are committing perjury.

DSGamer wrote:

Mueller gathers evidence that 2017 Seychelles meeting was effort to establish back channel to Kremlin

Look at this big ole nothingburger here.

Special counsel Robert S. Mueller III has gathered evidence that a secret meeting in Seychelles just before the inauguration of Donald Trump was an effort to establish a back channel between the incoming administration and the Kremlin — apparently contradicting statements made to lawmakers by one of its participants, according to people familiar with the matter.

In January 2017, Erik Prince, the founder of the private security company Blackwater, met with a Russian official close to Russian President Vladi­mir Putin and later described the meeting to congressional investigators as a chance encounter that was not a planned discussion of U.S.-Russia relations.

A witness cooperating with Mueller has told investigators the meeting was set up in advance so that a representative of the Trump transition could meet with an emissary from Moscow to discuss future relations between the countries, according to the people familiar with the matter, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive matters.

DSGamer wrote:

In my defense, I was distracted by the pirate GIFs.

Gremlin wrote:
DSGamer wrote:

In my defense, I was distracted by the pirate GIFs. :P

This will definitely be trumps defense in court.

thrawn82 wrote:
Gremlin wrote:
DSGamer wrote:

In my defense, I was distracted by the pirate GIFs. :P

This will definitely be trumps defense in court.

actually for Trump is cat gifs. Just can't keep his hands off em

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Chairman_Mao wrote:
thrawn82 wrote:
Gremlin wrote:
DSGamer wrote:

In my defense, I was distracted by the pirate GIFs. :P

This will definitely be trumps defense in court.

actually for Trump is cat gifs. Just can't keep his hands off em

When you're a celebrity they let you watch them. You don't even have to wait, you just watch the gifs.

Gremlin wrote:

To make up for my skimming, a follow-up story:

CNN: Amid renewed scrutiny, Erik Prince to host fundraiser for Russia-friendly congressman

"Russia-friendly" is a generous way of saying "Russia-owned".

Quintin_Stone wrote:
Gremlin wrote:

To make up for my skimming, a follow-up story:

CNN: Amid renewed scrutiny, Erik Prince to host fundraiser for Russia-friendly congressman

"Russia-friendly" is a generous way of saying "Russia-owned".

Would you like ... some tea?