NFL 2017 Week 15 Thread

Florio just said on FNA that Richardson's putting the Panther's up for sale after the season's over.

Edit: And just to make sure I'm not making this up.

Rat Boy wrote:

Florio just said on FNA that Richardson's putting the Panther's up for sale after the season's over.

Edit: And just to make sure I'm not making this up.

It's true. Here's the letter from the team. Daaaaaamn.

Welp, time to start scraping some scheckles together; let's buy us a football team!

Rat Boy wrote:

Welp, time to start scraping some scheckles together; let's buy us a football team!

I've got a few bucks as long as I get to be GM.

I'm gonna draft Cam a legitimate WR.

381 yards passing for Jimmy Dick.

Still the offense is struggling to get into the endzone, but the quarterback is making things happen.

Robbie Gould special teams player of the month at least, though.

The ending of the Steelers/Patriots game was a farce.. first the TD that wasn't (I'm still confused because I thought once he has possession and breaks the plane its over). Just more typical Patriots bullsh*t that makes me hate everything about that team even more (if that's even possible). Then the tip to int to end it with no Pass Interference called on what appeared to be an obvious call.

I can't anymore.. I just can't.

They let the Pats ref the game again? I hate when that happens.

After Brady got suspended for four games for the utter load of crap that was Deflategate, I kind of think the NFL favors the Pats is clearly silly. The ball moved when he hit the ground, and that's the same rule that screwed Dez Bryant and Megatron. It's a dumb rule, but it's a clear rule, and the NFL has chosen not to change it.

"Keep control all the way to the ground" is repeated over and over. That wasn't a catch by the oft-repeated rule.

I'll always treasure Deflategate because it put Jimmy G on tape and made the coming 49ers renaissance possible.

*Legion* wrote:

I'm gonna draft Cam a legitimate WR.

Much obliged. But in the meantime ...

Clay Matthews: It's that wheel route, it's that wheel route

Cam Newton: You been watching film, huh?

Matthews: Yeah

Cam: That's cool. Watch this

Cam: Slant to McCaffrey TD

(source)

Cam is feeling it right now. I'm starting to like Carolina's chances.

I thought if you broke the plane it was over too, but I guess not. I've seen a lot of plays where a guy dives over the goal line with the ball and then lands out of bounds when and drops the ball, and as far as I can remember those are always called touchdowns.

I'm probably not the only one wondering that perhaps David Carr isn't fully recovered from his injuries based on his accuracy.

LeapingGnome wrote:

I thought if you broke the plane it was over too, but I guess not. I've seen a lot of plays where a guy dives over the goal line with the ball and then lands out of bounds when and drops the ball, and as far as I can remember those are always called touchdowns.

That's the weirdness of the rule; if he was a runner, it's a TD the moment you cross the plane. As a receiver, you have to keep the ball all the way to the ground for it to be a catch at all.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:
LeapingGnome wrote:

I thought if you broke the plane it was over too, but I guess not. I've seen a lot of plays where a guy dives over the goal line with the ball and then lands out of bounds when and drops the ball, and as far as I can remember those are always called touchdowns.

That's the weirdness of the rule; if he was a runner, it's a TD the moment you cross the plane. As a receiver, you have to keep the ball all the way to the ground for it to be a catch at all.

You wait and see it will happen again but it will be the Patriots in the Super Bowl and it will then magically be a catch and a TD. That’s how this works of course. It comes full circle. I thought it was clear he had enough control of the ball and had established possession. It wasn’t exactly a bang bang play.

TheGameguru wrote:
MilkmanDanimal wrote:
LeapingGnome wrote:

I thought if you broke the plane it was over too, but I guess not. I've seen a lot of plays where a guy dives over the goal line with the ball and then lands out of bounds when and drops the ball, and as far as I can remember those are always called touchdowns.

That's the weirdness of the rule; if he was a runner, it's a TD the moment you cross the plane. As a receiver, you have to keep the ball all the way to the ground for it to be a catch at all.

You wait and see it will happen again but it will be the Patriots in the Super Bowl and it will then magically be a catch and a TD. That’s how this works of course. It comes full circle. I thought it was clear he had enough control of the ball and had established possession. It wasn’t exactly a bang bang play.

Yeah, it moved but he kept one hand under it and some part of the other hand against it at all times. The ground can’t help him maintain possession but it didn’t touch.

That said, even though I’d have preferred the Steelers win, it was exciting so I’m okay.

Really could have used those 3 tds last week, Gurley.

Spoiler:

My one year in an FF league made me hate FF.

Left hand isn’t even around the ball as it touches the ground.

https://streamable.com/occjw

Right hand is under. Can trap between body and hand, back of one hand and palm of other. But it moved, I get it, and I feel like what of the game I saw was fun so I don’t care about one call. Both teams played well overall and it came down to the end. Good show.

His hand slipping from beneath the ball looks like he loses control, yeah. But, again, I'm never sure what counts and what doesn't because personally most of those over-the-corner-pylon leaps are absolute trash to me and shouldn't count. If Cam Newton can pretend to fly and get a touchdown despite being half out-of-bounds then there's no reason that shouldn't count.

These rules are vague and stupid but I suppose they've been argued about a million times.

I know there are gonna be people complaining about the close score of the Eagles game today on Foles. Eagles fans, I mean. Not people outside Philly. I don't know what was going on with the Eagles defense in the first half but it was awful to watch. Foles isn't as good as Wentz but he's pretty good. I don't know if it's my bias talking but I feel like Giants is full of rotten players. Last game one of them pretends to piss on our territory, one didn't get called out for doing the Dirty Bird (opposing team mockingly doing the "Fly Eagles Fly" wing flap), and then there was the shove that got Bradham a personal foul for retaliation.

Didn't get a clear look at what almost broke out into a hockey brawl because Fox was updating us on I think Green Bay and Panthers, but it looked like it was almost nasty.

So yeah, I kinda want the Giants as a team to go to Hell.

Officiating crew at DAL v. OAK: "Hold our beer."

TheGameguru wrote:
MilkmanDanimal wrote:
LeapingGnome wrote:

I thought if you broke the plane it was over too, but I guess not. I've seen a lot of plays where a guy dives over the goal line with the ball and then lands out of bounds when and drops the ball, and as far as I can remember those are always called touchdowns.

That's the weirdness of the rule; if he was a runner, it's a TD the moment you cross the plane. As a receiver, you have to keep the ball all the way to the ground for it to be a catch at all.

You wait and see it will happen again but it will be the Patriots in the Super Bowl and it will then magically be a catch and a TD. That’s how this works of course. It comes full circle. I thought it was clear he had enough control of the ball and had established possession. It wasn’t exactly a bang bang play.

To me, this play is pretty clearly called in a consistent manner with the nonsense "going to the ground" rules.

Since he's leaving his feet during the act of making a catch, possession isn't completed until he goes to the ground and maintains possession. Hence why breaking the plane doesn't matter, as he technically does not yet have possession.

And since the ball moves when it touches the ground, no catch.

Correct enforcement of rules that I would rewrite in my first year as NFL commissioner. (You know, after this Panthers GM thing)

Yeah, the rule is if the ball hits the ground but doesn't move and stays fully in control, it's a catch. It's the Bert Emanuel rule (@#$!! NFCCG). It moved, just like the two Megatron catches and the Dez Bryant catch. It's as dumb of a rule as the tuck rule, and the NFL has repeatedly chosen to not change either one.

This one isn't even questionable at all.

Guys, Teddy Bridgewater played today. So happy for him.

I’m kind of tickled that Pittsburgh was in it to the end. I didn’t watch most of the game for a few reasons including that I thought it would be a frustrating watch. Very impressed that they pushed the Pats to the end.

And for real that last play was at least as important and Ben made a bad choice and bad throw. But looks like he played a really solid game so good for him. And good for the Steelers.

NSFW 49ers postgame TV interview:

Spoiler:

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In other news, Jimmy G's thrown for 1026 yards in his first 3 starts (over 16 games that would be 5,472 yards), and these back-to-back 300+ yard games are the first the Niners have had since... Jeff Garcia.

In light of how the Raiders lost, I'd like to propose a rule change around fumbling into the endzone. Specifically, when the offense fumbles into the opposing endzone, and the ball goes out of bounds, and it becomes a turnover and touchback.

Nowhere else on the field does a fumble out of bounds become a turnover. Everywhere else, the fumble becomes the same thing as if the offense retained possession at that spot. In their own endzone, it's a safety. Between the endzones, it's returned to the offense at the spot of the fumble.

Why does a fumble into the opposing endzone and out of bounds not just return to the office at the spot of the fumble?

Fumbling out of bounds just in front of the pylon puts the ball at the 1-inch line. Fumbling it just behind the pylon gives the defense the ball at their own 20.

It's an odd bit of inconsistency in the rules. Something about a fumble going from goal-line possession to turnover by going 3 inches more forward doesn't sit right with me.

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Looks like passing peaked a couple years ago. Interesting.

From here.

muraii wrote:

I’m kind of tickled that Pittsburgh was in it to the end. I didn’t watch most of the game for a few reasons including that I thought it would be a frustrating watch. Very impressed that they pushed the Pats to the end.

And for real that last play was at least as important and Ben made a bad choice and bad throw. But looks like he played a really solid game so good for him. And good for the Steelers.

Part of the reason it was an exciting game to watch was because the refs let the defenses play. There was holding and PI for both teams on most plays but the refs weren't stopping the game every single second. It made for a better product.

My dream off season for the Ravens would be Marvin Lewis and Gary Kubiak returning as defensive and offensive coordinators.

*Legion* wrote:

Fumbling out of bounds just in front of the pylon puts the ball at the 1-inch line. Fumbling it just behind the pylon gives the defense the ball at their own 20.

Can you even fumble behind the pylon since you've broken the plane at that point?

I recognize that the rule exists to prevent manipulating the ball on the ground to prevent an opponent's recovery but jeez. What a way to lose that game.

Saying this as the resident Raiders fan..