Recommend me a new mouse.

Thanks for the recommendation, Thin_J; I've added it to my Amazon list for future purchasing!

EriktheRed wrote:

It looks like Logitech is putting out a new ergonomic trackball. It is great that Logitech is still interested in investing in trackballs. Their last design, the M570, came out 7 or 8 years ago, IIRC.

I have my preorder in at Best Buy, they have the Plus model that allows 30 degree tilt instead of the regular 20. I just hope for the price they have improved the button switches because I am not interested in replacing a $100 mouse every year or two like I have to with the M570 because the switches wear out.

Yeah, my G402 stopped working very quiickly; the middle button failed. Is that happening with other Logitech mice?

I fell back to my older G400, which has been fine for years. I thought it was misbehaving and replaced it, but it was actually fine, it was a UI foulup in WOW. (I had an small invisible frame near the center of the screen that was capturing right clicks, so suddenly right-click mouselook wasn't always working right. Trying to fix the problem, I replaced the G400 when I didn't need to.)

I thought the 402 was awesome, except for the crappy reliability.

I've had lots of "G" Logitech mice, and can't say I can remember one failing before I decided to move on to the new hotness whenever I found a good sale.

My G5 lasted quite a long time and is now on a back up machine. My current G502 is getting some age on it, too.

I've only ever had one mouse switch fail and it was in the CM Storm Spawn mouse that I used exclusively for years. The left click got weird. Was the cheapest type of Omron switch if memory serves. I probably had long passed the 5 million click rating for those things.

If you really dig there's generally only two switch types in use out there in most gaming mice. You'll see Omron in the majority, usually rated for 5 million clicks on the lowest end and double that or higher on the high, and Huano in a very small subset.

The only big company I know of not using Omron recently was Zowie, and I think they caved and have switched on their newest models because people complained about the Huano's feeling spongy and weird. I could be wrong about this, I've never bought any Zowie products. I'm just going off bits and pieces of caught in forum conversations here and there.

The only logitech mouse I've ever even seen fail personally was an MX518. That mouse was almost 10 years old and had been used by me for about four years and then my parents for another 5 or so after. The clicks in it still worked fine. The sensor died.

A friend of mine is still using the old G5 I gave him and my dad's PC now has my old G500 attached to it.

I'm still using my G500 which I bought back in 2010 or 2011, I believe. Hasn't failed me yet, and I'm unreasonably attached to it. Sorry you've had bad luck with that G402, Malor.

Yeah the M570 has a well known switch problem where they wear out quicker than expected and start double clicking and becoming impossible to click and drag. There are guides to replace the switches but most people don't do it because it requires soldering.

I have been using them on three computers for as long as they have been around and I just know that every year or two I will have to replace it. I have probably bought 15 of them over the years.

My last Logitech mouse, I think the G500, worked great until last fall, when it started doing the exact thing Gnome described. It did last me a bunch of years, so that was good, but I had to replace it.

Now I've got two different mice, and don't love either quite as much. The G602 doesn't have quite enough of a ridge on the right side, so it's harder to grip, and the weight feels too far to the back, so it's ass-heavy. The Deathadder is too light, and I wish it had more than two thumb buttons.

I just want my goldilocks mouse.

Chaz wrote:

I just want my goldilocks mouse. :(

You and me both. I don't even know how many I've bought now looking for one that's just right.

I had a G602 left click switch fail with the problem described above after about 3 years. It has to do with the metal spring getting bent over time. There are tons of repair videos and I tried it myself but it didn't work for me.

I use claw grip, and except for the reliability problem, I thought the G402 was freaking perfect. Best mouse I've ever owned.

It doesn't have the insane sensor that comes in some mice (like the 502), but seriously, I'm not sure there's any actual benefit to further improvement. The 402 is already so incredibly fast that I don't have a prayer of fooling its sensors with any motion I can generate. Going much further strikes me as similar to listening to 88.2Khz audio.... when the existing standard already does a literally perfect job, there's no point to upgrading. That mouse is freaking insane in terms of latency and movement speed. 1ms samples, and ridiculously fast motion. I can't imagine any human outrunning it while actually using it for something real, not even a pro player in their early 20s.

However, I'm not one, and never could have been, so my judgement isn't exactly expert.

Thin_J wrote:

I've only ever had one mouse switch fail and it was in the CM Storm Spawn mouse that I used exclusively for years. The left click got weird. Was the cheapest type of Omron switch if memory serves. I probably had long passed the 5 million click rating for those things.

If you really dig there's generally only two switch types in use out there in most gaming mice. You'll see Omron in the majority, usually rated for 5 million clicks on the lowest end and double that or higher on the high, and Huano in a very small subset.

The only big company I know of not using Omron recently was Zowie, and I think they caved and have switched on their newest models because people complained about the Huano's feeling spongy and weird. I could be wrong about this, I've never bought any Zowie products. I'm just going off bits and pieces of caught in forum conversations here and there.

The only logitech mouse I've ever even seen fail personally was an MX518. That mouse was almost 10 years old and had been used by me for about four years and then my parents for another 5 or so after. The clicks in it still worked fine. The sensor died.

A friend of mine is still using the old G5 I gave him and my dad's PC now has my old G500 attached to it.

I still use my old Mx518 at work. I think over the years I've bought 2 or 3 of them and IIRC the common point of failure was the mouse wheel acting funky. And I'm pretty sure in hindsight that the problem was gunk (ie cat hair) interfering with the mouse wheel sensor.

So dirty skimmer here, but this looks like the best place to ask this question. I love my Logitech G500 mouse but I am starting to get the problem some people up-thread have mentioned; my left mouse button will sometimes double or triple click, and sometimes "lose" that I am clicking and dragging and issue a new click command. It's not too bad yet but it's to the point where I am noticing it and am looking for a replacement. My first instinct was just to replace it with another G500 since I love this mouse and it feels great for my hand size and grip style, but they are over $150 now.

So, does anyone have recommendations for a new gaming mouse similar to the Logitech G500? I would like it to have at least 2 side buttons, 3 is preferable and it needs to be big enough that I can grip it with my entire hand. I am what I have heard described as a "palm grip" person where I like to rest my hand/palm on the mouse instead of just holding it with my fingertips.

Malkroth wrote:

So dirty skimmer here, but this looks like the best place to ask this question. I love my Logitech G500 mouse but I am starting to get the problem some people up-thread have mentioned; my left mouse button will sometimes double or triple click, and sometimes "lose" that I am clicking and dragging and issue a new click command. It's not too bad yet but it's to the point where I am noticing it and am looking for a replacement. My first instinct was just to replace it with another G500 since I love this mouse and it feels great for my hand size and grip style, but they are over $150 now.

So, does anyone have recommendations for a new gaming mouse similar to the Logitech G500? I would like it to have at least 2 side buttons, 3 is preferable and it needs to be big enough that I can grip it with my entire hand. I am what I have heard described as a "palm grip" person where I like to rest my hand/palm on the mouse instead of just holding it with my fingertips.

G502. That's what I moved to.

I just got the G900. Was $75 last week at Best Buy from $150. I like it so far. Trying to move to wireless now.

I went with a G602 initially. It's got six thumb buttons, which is ncie, but I initially decided I didn't like the grip as much. Then I got a Razer Deathadder for home and took the 602 into the office. The Deathadder is nice, though I wish the buttons were a bit more firm, and I miss having more than two thumb buttons. I've also come to like the grip on the 602 after using it a lot more, so now I'm considering swapping back?

Malkroth wrote:

My first instinct was just to replace it with another G500 since I love this mouse and it feels great for my hand size and grip style, but they are over $150 now.

Can you shop at newegg?

When I checked newegg it has the exact same problem as Amazon, new g500s were going for $150. I have had some bad experiences with refurbished hardware and won't touch it anymore if there is another option.

Delbin wrote:
Malkroth wrote:

My first instinct was just to replace it with another G500 since I love this mouse and it feels great for my hand size and grip style, but they are over $150 now.

Can you shop at newegg?

Have you considered trying to fix your current one? I fixed my G500 when it had that problem by cleaning all the contacts and it got an extra year or so of life.

I have never even tried to clean a mouse before. I assume there are YouTube tutorials that would help me understand what to do? Or at least a text guide somewhere?

(Autocorrect almost made me say moose instead of mouse, which I find amusing)

Yeah, it's not too bad. Just take a few piece off and clean the contacts for the buttons. You can get the L&R Click main button pretty easily without even opening it up.

What's wrong with the G502?

My left mouse button (G602) stopped working because the known issue of the retention spring on the switch bending over time. Apparently the switches Logitech uses are notorious for that. Anyways cleaning the contacts didn't fix it and my attempt to bend it back made it worse. It is such a tiny mechanism making it so hard to work with. It would probably be easier to solder on a new switch.

EvilDead wrote:

Apparently the switches Logitech uses are notorious for that.

They use the same switches all the other high end gaming mouse makers use. They're D2FC series Omron switches not meaningfully different than the ones in Razer, Roccat, CM Storm, Mionix, etc you get the idea.

Zowie used Huano switches for a bit but a lot of people didn't like them and they've since joined everyone else and started using Omrons.

You can replace them yourself if you have the tools, a desoldering tool, soldering iron, etc.

I checked the switch type in the Razer Deathadder Chrome Elite as an example and you can buy a pack of six of those switches for $6 on Amazon. Those are the "high end" Omrons rated for 50 million clicks.

Alternately... there are other switches. If you look you can find people on geekhack replacing their Omrons with cherry switches. I didn't even know cherry made mouse switches, but of course they do.

Hmmm, I didn't know you could swap out with other brand switches. I just remember the gist being that, on many of their mice, Logitech opted for poorer quality switches. It might just be a made in China vs Japan thing. I honestly don't know much about it, only that many of the repair guides had comments with people complaining about it.

My 602 is already sitting in a box in pieces and a replacement is in use. It appears it wouldn't be too costly to try soldering on a new one if I can find a de-soldering tool on the cheap.

My G402 sure didn't last long. There certainly seems to be something amiss with the recent Logitech stuff. The G500 that I fell back to (I didn't actually need to replace it, I misdiagnosed a UI problem in WoW as a mouse failure) is still working just fine, and it's got, god, must be at least five years of steady use on it, maybe more.

I have an over 10 years old MX 518 that refuses to die. My malamute literally hurled it across my living room one day two years ago. Still ticking.

I recently added a Razer Naga to my kit and I kind of love that little guy.

My mouse works great but it doesn't look like I will ever get use to the 12 buttons on the side. They are just to close together for my big thumbs. I think I need a new gaming mouse.

I am also looking for a new mouse, the scroll wheel on my razer deathadder stopped working (after 7 years of service). Wired only pls. Are the ones you're talking wireless?

Well, we used to always recommend Logitech, but I, at least, am much less sure than I was that they're a good bet. We're hearing a lot about failed mice from them.

Personally, I wouldn't buy Razer products, I've seen a few and have not been impressed with their build quality.

Right now, I have no idea what to tell people.