NFL 2017 Week 6 Thread

LeapingGnome wrote:
jowner wrote:

I'd assume this now completely rules a team out from willing to sign him.

Shame really as the NFL being the NFL if enough injuries happened someone could of eventually signed him.

I think he is going to have a really hard time winning this case, unless he has some smoking gun evidence like emails between teams agreeing not to sign him.

Winning isn't necessarily the goal.

From USA Today:

Gould said the arbitrator will likely allow discovery from both Kaepernick’s team and the NFL Players Association, as well as from the league and teams. Officials, including NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell, could be subpoenaed to provide testimony. Gould believes the arbitrator could also look for evidence of communication beyond just Kaepernick and into other players who have chosen to protest.

(...)

“Of course, he'll also be interested in any communications, if they exist, between clubs and other clubs, and between clubs and the commissioner on Mr. Kaepernick, or on the general kneeling issue.”

Emphasis mine. This isn't about winning to dissolve the CBA per se, it's about prying information about how the league and owners deal with these sorts of things and putting that information into public view. At least, that's my read on it.

Legion beat me to it.. but I suspect winning is not the goal here.. visibility and attention is probably more desired.. especially in light of the rumors around mandatory flag standing.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

So he's like the Madden cover curse, but from Harvard.

I thought yesterday was a perfect encapsulation of the Ryan Fitzpatrick experience; he at one point threw an utterly moronic interception right at the goal line which led to the game-clinching Arizona TD. A bit later, he threw a perfect, beautiful bomb deep down the right side that dropped right into Mike Evans' hands for a TD. That's Ryan Fitzpatrick; plenty of awful, but just enough good on the field that he sticks around just long enough for you to not quite win.

Ryan Fitzpatrick is basically the patron saint of marginal QBs; he's just good enough to make you think you have a chance, but not quite good enough to win.

So not Flacco elite then?

I wonder if Garion and Paleo could trade Flacco for Fitzmagic, would they?

LeapingGnome wrote:

I wonder if Garion and Paleo could trade Flacco for Fitzmagic, would they?

Flacco's yards/attempt this year are a full yard under the worst year he's ever had previously.

In the three Baltimore wins:
53/77, 68.8% completion, 7.27 YPA

In the three Baltimore losses:
63/108, 58.3% completion, 3.98 YPA

Which Joe Flacco would you be trading for? Because one of those guys is REALLY REALLY BAD.

I honestly don't think anyone would do particularly great behind what's left of that line (outside of Brady, Rodgers, etc.), but I'd love to see what another half decent QB would do.

So, yeah, I'd take Fitzmagic but only if one or two more spots on the OL are the proper starters.

THIS IS IMPORTANT!

Meh, you need to use at least a second round pick on a good kicker... am I right?

UpToIsomorphism wrote:

Meh, you need to use at least a second round pick on a good kicker... am I right?

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About time Myers was sent packing, he's been getting worse every year.

Lambo is OK, and OK will have to be good enough. I mean, it's better than picking up any scraps from the Buccaneers kicker churn. Still don't understand why Tampa themselves didn't sign him.

Kizer will start for the Browns again.

garion333 wrote:

Kizer will start for the Browns again.

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garion333 wrote:

Kizer will start for the Browns again.

"How to Mismanage a QB Situation", by the Cleveland Browns. 20th Edition.

Are the Browns getting worse?

Jesus, this stat:

Since 2010, the Browns have had 13 first-round draft picks. Only one of those players has ever seen a Pro Bowl: current Steeler Joe Haden. Aside from him, only one of those players has spent more than two seasons as a primary starter in Cleveland — Danny Shelton.

I mean it's one thing that they don't turn out to be stars, but to be the Cleveland Browns and spend those 1st round picks on players who aren't even good enough to start for the Cleveland Browns is... damn.

Say what you will about those Jaguars 1st round picks, but Bortles, Joeckel, Gabbert, Alualu, they at least started. Only Blackmon didn't reach that mark, and not because of talent.

The post-reincarnation Cleveland Browns may have an undeniable argument to be the singly worst franchise in the history of professional sports, right? They're playing in a league that has a salary cap and draft specifically designed to enforce parity, and they're inexplicably awful every single year. In every possible way. It's actually kind of amazing.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

The post-reincarnation Cleveland Browns may have an undeniable argument to be the singly worst franchise in the history of professional sports, right? They're playing in a league that has a salary cap and draft specifically designed to enforce parity, and they're inexplicably awful every single year. In every possible way. It's actually kind of amazing.

Whereas the relocated Browns have won two Superbowls (one with everybody's favorite "elite" QB) and have had a goodly amount of success.

I don't know, maybe it's Cleveland itself?

tboon wrote:

Whereas the relocated Browns have won two Superbowls (one with everybody's favorite "elite" QB)

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MilkmanDanimal wrote:

The post-reincarnation Cleveland Browns may have an undeniable argument to be the singly worst franchise in the history of professional sports, right? They're playing in a league that has a salary cap and draft specifically designed to enforce parity, and they're inexplicably awful every single year. In every possible way. It's actually kind of amazing.

I dunno. The Blackhawks still have a claim to that. Sure, they've been stupidly successful over the last decade, but it took the owner dying and his kid deciding that TV money is a good thing(the team never had a TV deal to broadcast all home games until 2009), that winning should be a priority, and having enough knowledge to get a decent GM, coach, and generally get out of the way.

Oh, and they misspelled the name for 60 years(Black Hawks), until someone found the original NHL contract and saw that the name was one word.

cube wrote:
MilkmanDanimal wrote:

The post-reincarnation Cleveland Browns may have an undeniable argument to be the singly worst franchise in the history of professional sports, right? They're playing in a league that has a salary cap and draft specifically designed to enforce parity, and they're inexplicably awful every single year. In every possible way. It's actually kind of amazing.

I dunno. The Blackhawks still have a claim to that. Sure, they've been stupidly successful over the last decade, but it took the owner dying and his kid deciding that TV money is a good thing(the team never had a TV deal to broadcast all home games until 2009), that winning should be a priority, and having enough knowledge to get a decent GM, coach, and generally get out of the way.

Oh, and they misspelled the name for 60 years(Black Hawks), until someone found the original NHL contract and saw that the name was one word.

I just looked at Pro Hockey Reference (for the first time ever), and . . . outside of an ugly stretch in the late 90s/early 00s, Chicago was a reasonably successful franchise. Middling .500 records are uninspiring, but I don't think this is close. At all. This may or may not be something for next week's NFL thread.

Just at a quick glance the Browns have had six top 3 or better draft picks since 99 and they've only drafted one QB with them, Tim Couch. Enough said.

JeremyK wrote:

Just at a quick glance the Browns have had six top 3 or better draft picks since 99 and they've only drafted one QB with them, Tim Couch. Enough said.

Goff and Wentz both are making a mockery out of Cleveland decision to pass on QB last year. The NFL's 7th and 9th highest rated passers so far this season.

Plus this draft's QB they passed on, Deshaun Watson, is 6th.

I'm still bitter we didn't draft that Aaron Rogers kid.

PFT pointed this out about the Browns: Browns have changed quarterbacks 20 times in last 43 games

Brian Hoyer for Game 13 of 2014
Johnny Manziel for Games 14 and 15 of 2014
Connor Shaw for Game 16 of 2014
Josh McCown for Game 1 of 2015
Johnny Manziel for Game 2 of 2015
Josh McCown for Games 3-8 of 2015
Johnny Manziel for Games 9 and 10 of 2015
Austin Davis for Game 11 of 2015
Josh McCown for Game 12 of 2015
Johnny Manziel for Games 13-15 of 2015
Austin Davis for Game 16 of 2015
Robert Griffin III for Game 1 of 2016
Josh McCown for Game 2 of 2016
Cody Kessler for Games 3-7 of 2016
Josh McCown for Game 8 of 2016
Cody Kessler for Games 9-11 of 2016
Josh McCown for Game 12 of 2016
Robert Griffin III for Games 13-16 of 2016
DeShone Kizer for Games 1-5 of 2017
Kevin Hogan for Game 6 of 2017
DeShone Kizer for Game 7 of 2017

Geezus Kizer was one game off of tying the longest consecutive starts streak in that timespan.

Think he'll get there this time? Or will Kessler get his shot again?

*Legion* wrote:
JeremyK wrote:

Just at a quick glance the Browns have had six top 3 or better draft picks since 99 and they've only drafted one QB with them, Tim Couch. Enough said.

Goff and Wentz both are making a mockery out of Cleveland decision to pass on QB last year. The NFL's 7th and 9th highest rated passers so far this season.

Plus this draft's QB they passed on, Deshaun Watson, is 6th.

And they passed on Bridgewater, left him for Minn later in the 1st round, despite the consultant they paid telling them to draft him.

Stele wrote:
*Legion* wrote:
JeremyK wrote:

Just at a quick glance the Browns have had six top 3 or better draft picks since 99 and they've only drafted one QB with them, Tim Couch. Enough said.

Goff and Wentz both are making a mockery out of Cleveland decision to pass on QB last year. The NFL's 7th and 9th highest rated passers so far this season.

Plus this draft's QB they passed on, Deshaun Watson, is 6th.

And they passed on Bridgewater, left him for Minn later in the 1st round, despite the consultant they paid telling them to draft him.

Bridgewater and Carr also. And those were gimmes, they didn't even have to spend a top 3 or a top 10 pick to get one. They could have spent good ol' pick #22 on either.

It's like they're playing a shoot-em-up game and the bullets they're dodging are promising young QBs.

It's the best week of the season.

At least Derek Carr is back. Winning a rivalry game against the Raiders with EJ Manuel at quarterback would be cheapened.