[Discussion] Trans Issues and Rights

This thread is for the discussion of current events relating to trans rights, for discussion of the lives of trans people and difficulties they face, and for basic questions about the lives and experiences of trans people. (If basic questions become dominant we'll look at making a Q&A thread at that time.)

iaintgotnopants wrote:
Gravey wrote:

why even have urinals in the first place and make some stalls unusable to half the users? Wouldn't it be more efficient to have all toilets?

Having lived in a former all-women's dorm I can assure you, without urinals, some of the stalls will still become unusable for anything requiring sitting very quickly.

One of the great myths of maleness in our society is that men can (and should) pee standing up.

I'm with pants, why go through the trouble of sanitizing the seat every time you need to take a leak. Much quicker and efficient for men's restrooms to have urinals.

As someone with pee-shyness, bring on the unisex bathrooms, and to hell with the urinals.

I don't understand why men like to pee in front of each other anyway.

I hope this isn't TMI but I can say that if I pee sitting down, it's not infrequent that I still have to pee a little when I get back up. Not so if I pee standing up to begin with. I think that's relatively common judging from all this video just kidding about the video part.

That said, I can get behind Make America Sit Again across the board. I'd rather my slight inconvenience than anyone having to deal with messy seats, for realz.

Trophy Husband wrote:

I'm with pants, why go through the trouble of sanitizing the seat every time you need to take a leak. Much quicker and efficient for men's restrooms to have urinals.

You were so nearly right.

Repeat after me: I will not catch butt cooties from sitting on an unbleached toilet seat that someone else has used, even if it has some of their pee on it.

Repeat after me: that flimsy piece of tissue paper I put on the toilet seat literally ain't doing sh*t.

America's fascination with disposable toilet seat covers just makes you look like hypochondriacs to the rest of the world.

Jonman wrote:
Trophy Husband wrote:

I'm with pants, why go through the trouble of sanitizing the seat every time you need to take a leak. Much quicker and efficient for men's restrooms to have urinals.

You were so nearly right.

Repeat after me: I will not catch butt cooties from sitting on an unbleached toilet seat that someone else has used, even if it has some of their pee on it.

Repeat after me: that flimsy piece of tissue paper I put on the toilet seat literally ain't doing sh*t.

America's fascination with disposable toilet seat covers just makes you look like hypochondriacs to the rest of the world.

Um yeah, I just do a wipedown with a wad of TP so I'm not sitting on stray droplets of urine. Still prefer just walking up to a urinal.

If only men just peed on the seat. Somehow, they manage to pee all over the floor and the wall, as well. It's like everyone starts peeing and then does the helicopter trick. (None of which has to do with trans issues. Sorry, mods.)

Maybe the bathroom division shouldn't really be between men and women (however that's defined) but between "those who insist on standing up and spraying everything in sight" vs. "everyone else."

ClockworkHouse wrote:

If only men just peed on the seat. Somehow, they manage to pee all over the floor and the wall, as well. It's like everyone starts peeing and then does the helicopter trick. (None of which has to do with trans issues. Sorry, mods.)

I am not defending it. I would merely like to point out that sometimes there are extenuating circumstances with regards to flow and direction.

ClockworkHouse wrote:

If only men just peed on the seat. Somehow, they manage to pee all over the floor and the wall, as well. It's like everyone starts peeing and then does the helicopter trick. (None of which has to do with trans issues. Sorry, mods.)

This is a horrible truth. I have no idea how this happens other than your hypothesis.

bekkilyn wrote:

Maybe the bathroom division shouldn't really be between men and women (however that's defined) but between "those who insist on standing up and spraying everything in sight" vs. "everyone else." :)

muraii wrote:

This is a tad glib but it seems that the issue doesn't distribute meaningfully by sex or gender, but by attitude. As in, maybe we should have two bathroom contexts: bathrooms for sh*theads; and bathrooms for people who aren't sh*theads. The sh*theads can do what they want and leave the people who can be mature alone.

And this concludes my contribution to straying way off-topic.

<=== Helicopter and Hover Peeing

Pleasant Sanitary Peaceful Peeing ===>

Hypatian wrote:

<=== Helicopter and Hover Peeing

Pleasant Sanitary Peaceful Peeing ===>

I'm putting that sign up in my Minecraft house.

Grenn wrote:
ClockworkHouse wrote:

If only men just peed on the seat. Somehow, they manage to pee all over the floor and the wall, as well. It's like everyone starts peeing and then does the helicopter trick. (None of which has to do with trans issues. Sorry, mods.)

I am not defending it. I would merely like to point out that sometimes there are extenuating circumstances with regards to flow and direction.

Are you talking about the turn this thread has taken or actual urination?

Stele wrote:
Grenn wrote:
ClockworkHouse wrote:

If only men just peed on the seat. Somehow, they manage to pee all over the floor and the wall, as well. It's like everyone starts peeing and then does the helicopter trick. (None of which has to do with trans issues. Sorry, mods.)

I am not defending it. I would merely like to point out that sometimes there are extenuating circumstances with regards to flow and direction.

Are you talking about the turn this thread has taken or actual urination?

Yes.

I've seen the flying pee conversation come up in other social circles. One response that stuck with me is that it may be people with limited cognitive or physical capabilities who literally can't help themselves and don't have anyone to help them. I keep that thought in mind whenever I enter a public bathroom.

Trans rights thread: come for the social justice issues, stay for the literal piss takes!

Black trans model for L'Oreal fired after comments on race.
L'Oreal hates truth I guess

Aren't they a cosmetics company? hating the truth and encouraging others to do likewise is literally their entire business model.

Even from a business perspective this makes no sense. Let's see, we hire a trans model to reach out to the more socially progressive market. Then we fire the same model for speaking out against white privelege because she might have offended our Republican customers? And thereby just pissing off the entire demographic we were courting in the first place?

The Latest Example of Trans Baiting at the New York Times Is a Testament to How Far We Have to Go
That we can be seen as a "cause du jour" even as we're in the midst of a terrifying rollback of our rights is ludicrous.
(Katherine Cross, Rewire, 2017-09-08)

If the New York Times is publishing a trans-baiting op-ed, it’s probably a day ending in ‘Y.’ Take, for example, “When Transgender Trumps Treachery,” the almost-alliterative effort last week by the Brookings Institution’s James Kirchick to argue that Chelsea Manning is a traitor who’s only being feted because of a perverse moral affirmative action.

Progressives only adore her as a hero—and even as fashion icon, he laments at curious length—because she’s a trans woman, Kirchick argues.

“It’s hard to imagine,” he wrote in his conclusion, “Ms. Manning receiving such a positive reception—never mind a spread in Vogue—if she still identified as Bradley, transgender being the liberal cause du jour.”

It boggles the mind that someone from so lofty a perch, in possession of a wealth of inside information about the inner workings of national politics, could think that transgender people are so favored a group. That we can be seen as a “cause du jour” even as we’re in the midst of a terrifying rollback of our rights, or that Kirchick could even suggest that caring too much for trans people is in any way a mainstream position, is ludicrous. Yet the tenacity of this absurd idea among liberals and centrists is a testament to how far we still have to go.

[cn: Extreme transphobic violence, seriously]

2017 is now equal to 2016 as the deadliest year on record for trans people in the US.

Ally Steinfeld, 17

Mesha Caldwell, 41
Jamie Lee Wounded Arrow, 28
JoJo Striker, 23
Tiara Lashaytheboss Richmond, 24
Jaquarrius Holland, 18
Chyna Doll Dupree, 31
Ciara McElveen, 21
Alphonza Watson, 38
Chayviss Reed
Brenda Bostick, 59
Sherrell Faulkner, 46
Kenne McFadden, 26
Josie Berrios, 28
Ava Le'Ray Barrin, 17
Ebony Morgan, 28
Tee Tee Dangerfield, 32
Gwynevere River Song, 26
Scout Schultz, 21
Derricka Banner, 26
Kashmire Redd, 28
Kiwi Herring, 30
Ally Steinfeld, 17

And it's September. Jesus f*ck.

No words for that hate, I think I need to avoid reading about the trial and outcome/sentancing/etc (or lack of) as I already fear how it will go.

For now all I got is I hope you RIP Ally, whatever is beyond this life has got to be better than the sh*t these asshats put you through.

Cracked released an interesting podcast interviewing trans women who transitioned in the 80's or earlier.

Apparently authorities don't think Ally Steinfeld's murder was a hate crime.

http://www.10tv.com/article/official...

muraii wrote:

Apparently authorities don't think Ally Steinfeld's murder was a hate crime.

http://www.10tv.com/article/official...

I read that before I left from work and swore loudly. Luckily the only person who heard me had basically the same reaction when I showed him why.

Yeah, just... utterly unbelievable.

Danica Roem just beat a multi-term Republican incumbent for a seat in the Virginia House of Delegates, becoming Virginia’s first trans elected official.

Yah!