NFL 2017 Post-Draft Offseason

1966 is also the year Pete Gogolak kicked the very first soccer-style field goal in the NFL, as well as when some others like Garo Yepremian joined the league. Basically the point in time where soccer-style field goal kicking was first being invented and developed.

So Aguayo could rule if he was the only experienced soccer-style kicker in a toe-punch league.

See now people learn about history thanks to Aguayo look at all the value in that pick no longer a bust moving on

Legion, you asked for more Bortles. Well, you've got it. This is a great headline: Blake Bortles Is The Tom Brady Of Garbage Time

If the Pro Football Hall of Fame had a special wing for Garbage Time, they’d already be sculpting Blake Bortles’s bust.
Since 2015, 20.7 percent of Bortles’s total touchdown passes have come when the fans are heading for the exits. That’s nearly four times the average for the rest of the league. It’s done little to help the fortunes of the Jags, who have won eight games in the last two seasons and failed to come back in any of the 15 where they were trailing big late. So his body of garbage-time work has been meaningless to everyone except his fantasy owners.
The only thing Bortles is as good at as posting garbage-time numbers is creating garbage time with his lackluster play in meaningful time. According to ESPN data, last year when a team was within one score (8 or fewer points) in the first half of games — one of the situations in which the game’s outcome is most uncertain — Bortles was the worst quarterback in football.
It may seem like any quarterback would be more productive when opponents are easing into a prevent defense and beginning to daydream about their next game. But in the last two seasons, the average non-Bortles QB saw his rating increase only marginally in these scenarios, 2.4 percent. Bortles’s rating jumps 37.9 percent.
Maybe the only way to turn Bortles in an efficient quarterback is to somehow convince him that the game is already lost before it’s even begun.

I wonder at what point in the season I'll get to dust off my Leftwich Henne #7 jersey.

garion333 wrote:

Legion, you asked for more Bortles. Well, you've got it. This is a great headline: Blake Bortles Is The Tom Brady Of Garbage Time

If the Pro Football Hall of Fame had a special wing for Garbage Time, they’d already be sculpting Blake Bortles’s bust.
Since 2015, 20.7 percent of Bortles’s total touchdown passes have come when the fans are heading for the exits. That’s nearly four times the average for the rest of the league. It’s done little to help the fortunes of the Jags, who have won eight games in the last two seasons and failed to come back in any of the 15 where they were trailing big late. So his body of garbage-time work has been meaningless to everyone except his fantasy owners.
The only thing Bortles is as good at as posting garbage-time numbers is creating garbage time with his lackluster play in meaningful time. According to ESPN data, last year when a team was within one score (8 or fewer points) in the first half of games — one of the situations in which the game’s outcome is most uncertain — Bortles was the worst quarterback in football.
It may seem like any quarterback would be more productive when opponents are easing into a prevent defense and beginning to daydream about their next game. But in the last two seasons, the average non-Bortles QB saw his rating increase only marginally in these scenarios, 2.4 percent. Bortles’s rating jumps 37.9 percent.
Maybe the only way to turn Bortles in an efficient quarterback is to somehow convince him that the game is already lost before it’s even begun.

Not encouraging that the only qb better than him in garbage time is Flacco.

It's why he's elite, duh.

Oh, Atlanta. This has to be up there with the ants under the magnifying glass section at Levis, and the bird mass murdering glass walls in Minnesota.

Rat Boy wrote:

Oh, Atlanta. This has to be up there with the ants under the magnifying glass section at Levis, and the bird mass murdering glass walls in Minnesota.

In related news, I only ever want Chick-fil-A on Sundays. The other six days of the week, I’m too lazy to go get it, especially since the place is always crowded.

Amen.

So, now that a certain Abu has hooked me up with a little HBO Go assistance . . .

I just watched episode 2. Not as fun as the first one, because anything that focuses heavily on backup QBs is inherently less fun. Random thoughts:

- I want to be Gerald McCoy's best friend.

- I was really hoping we could get through an episode without hearing that Ryan Fitzpatrick went to Harvard.

- Miko Grimes seemed human. I'm assuming she's going to stab somebody in a future episode.

- Roberto Aguayo had rapidly jumped onto my short list of Least Favorite Bucs Ever, with the likes of Sabby, Michael "MOAR CHEEZBURGER" Clayton, and Coach Human Garbage Factory, but I didn't even vaguely enjoy watching him get cut. Man, that stuff is just painful to watch. Now let's never talk about him again.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

So, now that a certain Abu has hooked me up with a little HBO Go assistance . . .

I just watched episode 2. Not as fun as the first one, because anything that focuses heavily on backup QBs is inherently less fun. Random thoughts:

- I want to be Gerald McCoy's best friend.

- I was really hoping we could get through an episode without hearing that Ryan Fitzpatrick went to Harvard.

- Miko Grimes seemed human. I'm assuming she's going to stab somebody in a future episode.

I thought during the interview on the couch that Brent Grimes looked like a hostage. And I could have done without her waving around the cell phone pic of that gash on his leg.

And McCoy is great. Assuming the producers can't milk any drama from the competition for the long-snapper's job, I suspect we'll see more of McCoy. At least I hope so!

Justis Mosqueda wrote about Roberto Aguayo:

Many came out and said that they would never use a second-round pick on a special teams player. Many people are missing the point on the Aguayo evaluation. Many thought that Aguayo was a generational kicker. Licht called him “the best kicker in the history of college football.” He wasn’t anything close to that. The evaluations were wrong.
Kicking percentage is similar to completion percentage.
The data is clear: Field goal kicking is harder the further out you go. That’s not shocking.
Aguayo cost Florida State 6.76 points in deep kicking in his last year with the Seminoles, despite most running with the “generational talent” narrative that spun from a three-time First-Team All-American kicker declaring for the draft as a junior.
Aguayo was a poor deep kicker in his last year in Tallahassee by NFL standards, let alone for a kicker who was asked to play to the standard of “the best kicker in the history of college football.” Don’t let anyone tell you otherwise. The “bust” of Aguayo should have been seen from miles away.

This is similar to what Chuck Zodda said about evaluating Aguayo. Many people missed the obvious signs.

Much like Christian Hackenberg, way too much watching of his freshman tape and ignoring his junior tape.

"34th most accurate kicker in FBS in 2015" just doesn't have the same exciting ring to it.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

So, now that a certain Abu has hooked me up with a little HBO Go assistance . . .

I just watched episode 2. Not as fun as the first one, because anything that focuses heavily on backup QBs is inherently less fun. Random thoughts:

- I want to be Gerald McCoy's best friend.

- I was really hoping we could get through an episode without hearing that Ryan Fitzpatrick went to Harvard.

- Miko Grimes seemed human. I'm assuming she's going to stab somebody in a future episode.

- Roberto Aguayo had rapidly jumped onto my short list of Least Favorite Bucs Ever, with the likes of Sabby, Michael "MOAR CHEEZBURGER" Clayton, and Coach Human Garbage Factory, but I didn't even vaguely enjoy watching him get cut. Man, that stuff is just painful to watch. Now let's never talk about him again.

Why, exactly do we care about Miko Grimes? Why focus on her and not other wives? Is it because of how involved she is? (These are honest questions, although this is the first time I have watched this show, so I don't know if they feature wives in other seasons)

Perhaps the best line of the show: "Hey Fitz, hey, how was it playing against Bart Starr?"

Many thought that Aguayo was a generational kicker.

Well...in a way they're not wrong. When was the last time we were this focused on a kicker?

Abu5217 wrote:
MilkmanDanimal wrote:

So, now that a certain Abu has hooked me up with a little HBO Go assistance . . .

I just watched episode 2. Not as fun as the first one, because anything that focuses heavily on backup QBs is inherently less fun. Random thoughts:

- I want to be Gerald McCoy's best friend.

- I was really hoping we could get through an episode without hearing that Ryan Fitzpatrick went to Harvard.

- Miko Grimes seemed human. I'm assuming she's going to stab somebody in a future episode.

- Roberto Aguayo had rapidly jumped onto my short list of Least Favorite Bucs Ever, with the likes of Sabby, Michael "MOAR CHEEZBURGER" Clayton, and Coach Human Garbage Factory, but I didn't even vaguely enjoy watching him get cut. Man, that stuff is just painful to watch. Now let's never talk about him again.

Why, exactly do we care about Miko Grimes? Why focus on her and not other wives? Is it because of how involved she is? (These are honest questions, although this is the first time I have watched this show, so I don't know if they feature wives in other seasons)

Perhaps the best line of the show: "Hey Fitz, hey, how was it playing against Bart Starr?"

Miko Grimes is very involved with Brent Grimes' career. At least on Twitter.

Enix wrote:

I thought during the interview on the couch that Brent Grimes looked like a hostage.

Helicopter wife. Her enthusiastic descriptions of her involvement sounded like the publicly-facing behavior of someone who sniffs her man for other women's perfume the minute he steps in the door at home.

I wonder, in all the unused footage shot in that living room, if they managed to get 2 minutes of Brent Grimes himself speaking. Shouldn't he be the one describing how Miko is so important to his career because she does this and that? Camera turned on and it became the Miko Show, starring Miko.

Somewhere there's footage of a terrified Brent Grimes holding a "SEND HELP PLZ" sign in that living room.

Best moment of the night was Evan Smith adding Ryan Fitzpatrick what it was like to play against Bart Start.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

Best moment of the night was Evan Smith

Salinas, California!

[asking] Ryan Fitzpatrick what it was like to play against Bart Star[r].

Autocorrect mangled that one for you MMD, but yeah, that was the one moment that made me actually LOL.

I swear to god that I sometimes feel that everyone in this thread (except Garrion) has me on ignore.

I mean, damn, I am not even fanboying over Jameis, FSU or the Cowboys so much anymore.

Spoiler:

Not that it really matters.

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It's like how I rip off Keith Richards constantly while playing guitar; you might as well steal from the best, Abu.

Bucs score a TD against the Jaguars; the first post-Aguayo kick?

XP blocked.

IT'S THE CURSE OF AGUAYO.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

Bucs score a TD against the Jaguars; the first post-Aguayo kick?

XP blocked.

IT'S THE CURSE OF AGUAYO.

Hope the curse is still in effect for Weeks 8 and 16.

Of course, by week 6, the Bucs will be going for two after every score and to hell with the kicker.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

Bucs score a TD against the Jaguars; the first post-Aguayo kick?

XP blocked.

IT'S THE CURSE OF AGUAYO.

The only player curse in sports that started while the guy was still there.

Are we sure it's a curse? Did Nick Folk possibly look a little... Latin?

Judging from the number of Blake Bortles mentions on my Twitter TL, he must be playing football right now.

And judging by the Blake Bortles memes I keep seeing -- like this one -- he must be playing poorly.

Or just playing. "Playing poorly" is redundant.

Mallett is truly horrible.

Today's FootballOutsider's article on their AFC/NFC South predictions features a whole discussion of the Bucs' offense centered around a comment from our very own MilkmanDanimal

Longtime FO commentator MilkmanDanimal described the 2016 Buccaneers offense as "Winston flinging the ball downfield in the vague direction of Mike Evans, and Evans then doing something amazing." Is adding O.J. Howard and DeSean Jackson enough to give them some variety when they have the ball?

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kaostheory wrote:

Today's FootballOutsider's article on their AFC/NFC South predictions features a whole discussion of the Bucs' offense centered around a comment from our very own MilkmanDanimal

Longtime FO commentator MilkmanDanimal described the 2016 Buccaneers offense as "Winston flinging the ball downfield in the vague direction of Mike Evans, and Evans then doing something amazing." Is adding O.J. Howard and DeSean Jackson enough to give them some variety when they have the ball?

That guy sounds brilliant and I want to subscribe to his newsletter.

Bucs beat Jags 12-8 in an exciting offensive baseball game.

*Legion* wrote:

Bucs beat Jags 12-8 in an exciting offensive baseball game.

Did you watch the whole thing? And if you did, is there someone we can call?