A Thread 4 Fast 4 Furious

Hahaha, nice.

So much Statham love. Get a room, you guys.

How about this room?

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slazev wrote:

So much Statham love. Get a room, you guys.

I wish. *fans self*

Er...I mean...

So this week I've been watching movies while working. Started with Star Trek, but when I was done with the original 6 I moved on to this franchise. I watched the first six of these as well, save number two. Don't own 7 or 8.

I still really like Tokyo Drift. I feel like it could have worked as an enjoyable reboot, though it really is sort of a side-story. Even against the first film, which seems more like a sort of action crime drama, it seems weird. Even so, going from the first film to the fourth seems a bit reasonable. Brian's FBI now, still working for the law, and Dom is still a criminal. It jumps right back into Brian being torn between his two halves. He has a moral code that keeps him tied to the law, but there's that adrenaline loving side of him that always keeps him working against the law he's employed by. He finally decides to follow his own code instead of another. The film has big action, and it certainly escalates from the first film, but it seems more logical since the first film was heists, cars, and criminals. Now they're just going to Mexico.

But Fast Five really is the best. It has the greatest pacing of them all, owing a lot to its Heist film nature. The first half-hour or so establishes the villain and the stakes, and then they introduce the crew. The banter and interaction between the crew works, The Rock and his team are always keeping pressure on without distracting away from the main plot too much, and step by step we're always working towards a goal we can follow to the intended plan. The fight between Rock and Dom is great, it's explosive, and works as a hype up to the final setpiece.

Furious Six brings the team back together, but it lacks the same pacing. Scenes seem to sometimes happen because they happen. We know Shaw is the bad guy, and we know Dom needs to get Letty back, but scenes seem to just happen and proceed without us knowing what they're building towards. Which a film doesn't necessarily need, especially since you don't wanna know what's going to happen every step of the way. It's just it more feels like the script was written around set-pieces and then the story elements were used to interconnect it all.

All honesty? I don't wanna give 7 another watch. I didn't like it much in theater and I can't really think of much reason to return except maybe the opening with Statham in the Hospital. Fate? I'll be grabbing that on Blu-Ray eventually.

My greatest takeaway is that this is DBZ, but American and with cars. The scale is always escalating and the main characters and crew are constantly rotating, with villains occasionally becoming good guys.

Or by Fate, always becoming good guys. That's the only downside. I love Jason Statham, but if you were gonna make him part of Mi Familia then don't retcon Han's death so he did it. Also: if Shaw the First can survive that then there's no reason Gal Gadot can't still be alive since she bit it the same way.

Fast Five is indeed the best, no question. I love them all though...welp, except 2. Ugh.

I'll defend the Roman parts of 2:
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2 sucks mighty badly, but it has some value as a camp artifact, and Roman's really great throughout.

And I am staunchly against skipping Tokyo Drift (or skipping 1, for that matter). TD is a surprisingly good movie, kinetic and focused and distinctive. And the Shinjuku/Han vs. Takeshi chase is one of the series best.

Well clearly Roman is the best thing about the movie. Sadly he can't save it though.

ccesarano wrote:

Or by Fate, always becoming good guys. That's the only downside. I love Jason Statham, but if you were gonna make him part of Mi Familia then don't retcon Han's death so he did it.

Was it just me, or is it strongly hinted that Deckard was under Cypher's thumb at that time, that maybe it was her first attempt to get Dom & Friends out of her way?

Kurrelgyre wrote:
ccesarano wrote:

Or by Fate, always becoming good guys. That's the only downside. I love Jason Statham, but if you were gonna make him part of Mi Familia then don't retcon Han's death so he did it.

Was it just me, or is it strongly hinted that Deckard was under Cypher's thumb at that time, that maybe it was her first attempt to get Dom & Friends out of her way?

It wasn't hinted, if I recall it was explicitly stated.

SpacePPoliceman wrote:

And I am staunchly against skipping Tokyo Drift (or skipping 1, for that matter). TD is a surprisingly good movie, kinetic and focused and distinctive. And the Shinjuku/Han vs. Takeshi chase is one of the series best.

Like ccesarano said, TD could have been a great reboot if they decided to take their series about car racing and making it about car racing. Not that I mind where F&F ended up (at least while Brian was around), but TD will always be my favourite.

ccesarano wrote:

Also: if Shaw the First can survive that then there's no reason Gal Gadot can't still be alive since she bit it the same way.

Yes please, though now Gadot has her Wonder Woman credibility. But some more of those F&F billions might be enticing.

Or hey speaking of 2, why not bring back Suki, instead of killing off all the female characters.

Gal won't be back. She'll be too occupied with the DC stuff.

ccesarano wrote:

So this week I've been watching movies while working. Started with Star Trek, but when I was done with the original 6 I moved on to this franchise. I watched the first six of these as well, save number two. Don't own 7 or 8.

I still really like Tokyo Drift. I feel like it could have worked as an enjoyable reboot, though it really is sort of a side-story. Even against the first film, which seems more like a sort of action crime drama, it seems weird. Even so, going from the first film to the fourth seems a bit reasonable. Brian's FBI now, still working for the law, and Dom is still a criminal. It jumps right back into Brian being torn between his two halves. He has a moral code that keeps him tied to the law, but there's that adrenaline loving side of him that always keeps him working against the law he's employed by. He finally decides to follow his own code instead of another. The film has big action, and it certainly escalates from the first film, but it seems more logical since the first film was heists, cars, and criminals. Now they're just going to Mexico.

...

If you re-watched 2F2F, you'd notice the fourth one takes some plot points from two. Sometimes I think if it's not just a plain remake.

Here's who they are bringing back: Justin Lin, for FF9 and FF10. *wild cheers and applause*

And: Jordana Brewster! *small echoing cough*

Nice!

Excellent!!

Sweet, and to boot there are rumors that the rumors of Han's death were greatly exaggerated...

I miss Gisele

SpacePPoliceman wrote:

My biggest issues with Fate were that I wasn't pleased with Hobbs being positioned as "the glue" of The Family--someone needed to assure Letty everything would work out, and sadly that someone should have been Paul Walker's Brian, but Letty has zero relationship with Hobbs--and the possibility that Shaw might be welcomed at cookouts despite murdering Han. This seems like an ideal use for both characters, and possibly frees up the mainline series to get back to being lovable rogues without allegiance.

Additionally: You win this one, candy-asses: Dwayne Johnson won't be in Fast And Furious 9

I am simultaneously not very excited and yet more excited than I thought I'd be.

SpacePPoliceman wrote:
SpacePPoliceman wrote:

My biggest issues with Fate were that I wasn't pleased with Hobbs being positioned as "the glue" of The Family--someone needed to assure Letty everything would work out, and sadly that someone should have been Paul Walker's Brian, but Letty has zero relationship with Hobbs--and the possibility that Shaw might be welcomed at cookouts despite murdering Han. This seems like an ideal use for both characters, and possibly frees up the mainline series to get back to being lovable rogues without allegiance.

Additionally: You win this one, candy-asses: Dwayne Johnson won't be in Fast And Furious 9

This is now just below John Wick 3 for movies I'm most excited to see this year.

Veloxi wrote:
mudbunny wrote:
slazev wrote:

By this time, I'd be okay with them getting rid of all characters, except the Rock and Statham. I like their bickering.

By all reports, there was supposed to be an after-credits scene with Statham and The Rock bickering while beating each other up that was being used to possibly set up a separate series of movies with the two. However, because Diesel has a real problem with The Rock (due to a feud/disagreement while filming), he canned the clip.

I read that that spinoff is still happening, though.

http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/n...

Guess these posts from July 2017 were correct then.

And screw Vin Diesel. I still stand by my statement that the Rock was the real star of Fast 8.

Stele wrote:
Veloxi wrote:
mudbunny wrote:
slazev wrote:

By this time, I'd be okay with them getting rid of all characters, except the Rock and Statham. I like their bickering.

By all reports, there was supposed to be an after-credits scene with Statham and The Rock bickering while beating each other up that was being used to possibly set up a separate series of movies with the two. However, because Diesel has a real problem with The Rock (due to a feud/disagreement while filming), he canned the clip.

I read that that spinoff is still happening, though.

http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/n...

Guess these posts from July 2017 were correct then.

And screw Vin Diesel. I still stand by my statement that the Rock was the real star of Fast 8.

He totally was.

Tyrese most seriously disagrees.

slazev wrote:

Tyrese most seriously disagrees.

He can disagree until he's blue in his stupid face. Doesn't make it any less true.

It is true, but I don't think that's to the benefit of the movie. Hobbs worked best...well, he worked best as an antagonist, but he worked second best as the exasperated authority figure in the periphery. I'm not anti-The Rock, but Family is bigger than The Rock, and while there are plenty of vehicles for The Rock, there's only one place for Family, hence why I am very pleased with these developments.

When I was in the hospital a month ago, there was an F&F marathon on TV, and I developed a theory. Tokyo Drift (chronologically late in the series) started out with a rivalry with another teen, whose father gets him out of trouble due to having a lot of pull with the police department (presumably because he is a coke snitch). That rival?

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I propose that the Fast and Furious universe is a subset of the Home Improvement Extended Universe, and therefore, the villain in F&F 9 is none other than Al Borland.

This trailer can not be topped

I said it in the other thread. The Rock is going to win this breakup.

This movie is going to be perfect mindless fun.

Welp, I THOUGHT John Wick 3 was my most anticipated movie of the year, but now I dunno...