DC Catch-All [Spoiler Zone]

I saw a review excerpt that asserted WW has a fully developed sense of humor, which I desperately want to be true but can scarcely believe. It seems like we've had a lifetime of DC movies where the humor is in how little it realizes "Marthaaaaaa!" was dumb.

Hm. Might as well watch this thread.

It's interesting to me just how excited I am for this movie. I don't really have an explanation for it but this is the first movie in years that I've bought an advance ticket for. And I bought that ticket before all the early reviews and impressions from the fan showings came out.

I'm not sure I can describe why yet.

I'm not going Thursday night, let's not be crazy, but I am going to the first early showing on Friday morning at the nicer theater in the area.

I had tickets for Thursday night but had to cancel. Life, uh, finds a way. To get in the way.

SpacePPoliceman wrote:

I saw a review excerpt that asserted WW has a fully developed sense of humor, which I desperately want to be true but can scarcely believe. It seems like we've had a lifetime of DC movies where the humor is in how little it realizes "Marthaaaaaa!" was dumb.

The review I saw said Chris Pine is great... at being Chris Pine. And of course it also has Lucy Davis.

PaladinTom wrote:

The review I saw said Chris Pine is great... at being Chris Pine. And of course it also has Lucy Davis.

Or was he being Chris Pratt? Or Evans? Hemsworth?

I hope WW can fix the failures that have been recent DC movies. They may make money but they are not fun to watch.

At least the critics are whooping it up over Wonder Woman. It's tied with Iron Man and The Dark Knight for the highest rated live action superhero movie* on Rotten Tomatoes, with a thumbs up/down percentage of 94%.

I'm really looking forward to it!

*The Incredibles got 97%.

Just saw it. It's good. It brings light and humor to the DCEU that none of its predecessors had, and does so without feeling like an MCU entry. It's set at wartime, but it's not jingoistic.

Spoiler:

The visual tonal differences between Themyscira and WWI Europe are quite striking, and damn does it ever make it clear why she's in the same league, no pun intended, as Superman.

From what I read/listened, it has the usual Marvel problems: lackluster villains and a too-over-the-top ending.

Sure, if you agree with David Edelstein for Vulture (he actually liked the climax) or Melissa Anderson for the Village Voice (she basically called it one long exercise in mansplaining!). Pretty much every other movie critic loves it. Edelstein says they're grading on a curve.

I'll see for myself soon enough.

I'm going in a couple hours. Super excited.

BadKen wrote:

Sure, if you agree with David Edelstein for Vulture (he actually liked the climax)

His review also contains... other things. Here's an excerpt:

David Edelstein wrote:

The only grace note in the generally clunky Wonder Woman is its star, the five-foot-ten-inch Isreali actress and model Gal Gadot, who is somehow the perfect blend of superbabe-in-the-woods innocence and mouthiness

Maybe if he tried reeeeeeally hard he could find a grosser way to word "Gal Gadot is the highlight of the movie".

Another awful excerpt from his review:

David Edelstein wrote:

While this Wonder Woman is still into ropes (Diana's lasso both catches bad guys and squeezes the truth out of them), fans might be disappointed that there's no trace of the comic's well-documented S&M kinkiness. With a female director, Patty Jenkins, at the helm, Diana isn't even photographed to elicit slobbers. Slobbering, S&M-oriented American patriots will be even more put out, given that WW is no longer dressed in red, white, and blue but golden-toned for the interational - and perhaps these days less American-friendly - ticket buyers. I didn't miss Lynda Carter's buxom, apple-cheeked pinup, though. It was worth waiting for Gadot.

Seems like a pretty worthless review to me. If someone wants to find a negative review that isn't written from the perspective of a blatantly sexist garbage human maybe I'll care what they have to say.

That was also a long way to go for a "waiting for Gadot" joke.

Whenever a reviewer is trying to show off how clever their writing is, I see it as more masturbation than review. Edelstein has written some good reviews in the past, though.

I am seeing it at 12 today. I hope it is fun. Really from my superhero movies that is what I want. Not to serious, not too dark. Just make me think it might be fun to live in a world with superheros. DC usually doesn't do that. Usually I leave happy I don't live in their apocalptic hell.

That's unexpected. Edelstein is usually one of my favorite critics. He has good taste and well-reasoned arguments.

I do wonder to what extent Wonder Woman (like other super hero movies before it) is being graded on a curve, but I'm still interested to see it myself.

Saw it last night and actually quite enjoyed it! First DCEU movie I've enjoyed (liked the Nolan Batmens okay).

There's humor, actual emotion that isn't completely overwrought (still somewhat overwrought), and outside of the final ten minutes or so, I just kept smiling like a goofy kid, enjoying myself.

ClockworkHouse wrote:

I do wonder to what extent Wonder Woman (like other super hero movies before it) is being graded on a curve, but I'm still interested to see it myself.

I don't think that is what's happening with this one. Its connection to the larger DC film universe is obviously there, but it has basically nothing to do with the story being focused on and told.

I don't have time to get too into detail, but I *really" enjoyed this movie. There are some issues of course. It has some trouble wrapping up just like some reviews have mentioned, but so much of the journey was so good and I was so invested by that point it was hard for me to pay much attention to the weak spots.

I'll try to get more involved, spoilers and the like, a bit later. I will say there was one thing that was supposed to be a mystery that I knew the answer to basically the instant a certain character had been on a screen a couple of times, but it didn't effect my enjoyment later on.

I just got back and really enjoyed it. Best DC movie outside Nolan's stuff and I think we all know that was because of Nolan not DC.

I ditched work today and went to a matinee. I loved it! It was a great movie, only held back a little from a slow beginning. I'd give it 4 out of 5 stars. Gal Gadot was phenomenal, Chris Pine was goodish enough, the special effects were awesome and the story was pretty good. I'll definitely put it into my film library when it comes out.

My only real complaints were the lack of America with this American super hero, ironically not so in even the recent comics. Also, a few of the movies themes fell flat with me too (I won't go into it due to spoilers). But, these things are mainly from the studio, producers and marketers.

Overall, I loved it!

P.S. I saw it in 3D IMAX - worth it!

TAZ89 wrote:

My only real complaints were the lack of America with this American super hero

Big movies like this have to sell internationally. Frankly I see it as a merit.

Got babysitting arranged for next Friday (which means I'll have to delay playing Dirt 4 for a few hours—the two creative works I'm most hyped about this year fighting for the same day). Wonder Woman is go.

Watched the first episode of Supergirl tonight, but that did nothing for the hype. It's great to see lots of women talking to each other about themselves and their problems and their aspirations, but the special effects were lacking and the fight scenes had all the kineticism and oomph of a Captain Picard fistfight. Also just ended up watching Laura Benanti-as-Melania Trump skits after.

I've wrote two or 3 of these already and keep erasing. I thought the movie wasn't very good. As a DC movie it was great, as a 'turn your mind off' action film it was great. But the mysterious native doing smoke signals and the one dialogue backstory for the side characters got under my skin. The Amazons were amazing, but any non-amazon woman was comic relief or a background-less, reason-less, mustache twirling villain. There was no show of their strength, there was nothing empowering about them. WW was certainly that, and the best part of the movie for certain. But she needed the actions of men to turn the switch that transitions her from strong buff amazon to 'oh actually god'.

I'll be interested to see what some of you think, but I'm not really interested in debating or discussing this further, I just needed to get it off my chest since SO many people loved it and the only other people I can find that didn't love it are very obviously not interested in a strong female driven movie. For the record I'm glad it's doing well, Gadot's performance deserves every bit of praise the movie is getting, it's just about every other thing really got under my skin.

I don't think you're wrong but I guess I see most of your comments as typical for action type movies.

Wonder Woman is terrific. Saw it at the 10:00am show, and the theater was surprisingly packed for such an early viewing. I thought the earlier part of the film on the island was the strongest part. The bedtime story that showed the conflict between the gods was beautiful, very well done. Some of the fight scenes were well choreographed, especially the nazi beach battle. It made me want to get out to the archery range soon.

My 14yo son liked it too, although perhaps for different reasons...

edit to add: I want Guy Ritchie and Gal Gadot to form a production company. They could call it Ritchie & Gadot Productions

b12n11w00t wrote:

I've wrote two or 3 of these already and keep erasing. I thought the movie wasn't very good. As a DC movie it was great, as a 'turn your mind off' action film it was great. But the mysterious native doing smoke signals and the one dialogue backstory for the side characters got under my skin. The Amazons were amazing, but any non-amazon woman was comic relief or a background-less, reason-less, mustache twirling villain. There was no show of their strength, there was nothing empowering about them. WW was certainly that, and the best part of the movie for certain. But she needed the actions of men to turn the switch that transitions her from strong buff amazon to 'oh actually god'.

Spot on. Gadot, Pine, and Bremner were great. I love Daniel Thewlis, but he was singularly unconvincing in his role. Until the climax, it was great to see Diana really coming into her own and being unabashedly powerful. The Amazons except Diana also looked a little silly and cheap in their costuming, although I loved their action scenes.

I'd say the film mostly worked for me, but the parts where it didn't work really didn't work.

b12n11w00t wrote:

I've wrote two or 3 of these already and keep erasing. I thought the movie wasn't very good. As a DC movie it was great, as a 'turn your mind off' action film it was great. But the mysterious native doing smoke signals and the one dialogue backstory for the side characters got under my skin. The Amazons were amazing, but any non-amazon woman was comic relief or a background-less, reason-less, mustache twirling villain. There was no show of their strength, there was nothing empowering about them. WW was certainly that, and the best part of the movie for certain. But she needed the actions of men to turn the switch that transitions her from strong buff amazon to 'oh actually god'.

I'll be interested to see what some of you think, but I'm not really interested in debating or discussing this further, I just needed to get it off my chest since SO many people loved it and the only other people I can find that didn't love it are very obviously not interested in a strong female driven movie. For the record I'm glad it's doing well, Gadot's performance deserves every bit of praise the movie is getting, it's just about every other thing really got under my skin.

My husband and son went Thursday night. Neither really liked it, and husband wanted to go to support the movie and in hopes that it would have a strong female character. My son hated the run from the trenches where the shooters were just targeting the shield. He figured they'd move the gun down and take out her legs

Just back from seeing it. Pretty good! (comparing it against the other DC 'universe' films at least). The last half-hour or so was probably the best. Definitely left the cinema resisting the urge to do a slow motion dive through the nearest window and start hitting things...moreso than usual, I mean.

There are certainly problems there though, as mentioned. I was grinding my teeth through a lot of the London stuff.

MathGoddess wrote:
b12n11w00t wrote:

I've wrote two or 3 of these already and keep erasing. I thought the movie wasn't very good. As a DC movie it was great, as a 'turn your mind off' action film it was great. But the mysterious native doing smoke signals and the one dialogue backstory for the side characters got under my skin. The Amazons were amazing, but any non-amazon woman was comic relief or a background-less, reason-less, mustache twirling villain. There was no show of their strength, there was nothing empowering about them. WW was certainly that, and the best part of the movie for certain. But she needed the actions of men to turn the switch that transitions her from strong buff amazon to 'oh actually god'.

I'll be interested to see what some of you think, but I'm not really interested in debating or discussing this further, I just needed to get it off my chest since SO many people loved it and the only other people I can find that didn't love it are very obviously not interested in a strong female driven movie. For the record I'm glad it's doing well, Gadot's performance deserves every bit of praise the movie is getting, it's just about every other thing really got under my skin.

My husband and son went Thursday night. Neither really liked it, and husband wanted to go to support the movie and in hopes that it would have a strong female character. My son hated the run from the trenches where the shooters were just targeting the shield. He figured they'd move the gun down and take out her legs :)

You can clearly see tracers deflecting off her greaves.

Just saw WW with family and friends. We all really enjoyed it. Gadot's wonderfully earnest cheesyness really made it work, and Chris Pine was an excellent foil. Distaff acquaintances were livid about the Edelstein review. I thought it was grossly inappropriate.

The movie missed a major opportunity in:

Spoiler:

not creating space for a conversation between Diana and Dr. Maru.

FWIW, I thought Man of Steel and BvS were very good movies and generally more stylistically interesting and impactful than comparable Marvel fare.

My wife and I really enjoyed it.

Thoroughly enjoyed WW.

I told my 13 year old son that we were going to see a historical movie about women in World War 1 that his mother wanted to see. When the DC logo popped up at the start he is all "WHY IS THERE A DC LOGO...."