Doctor Who *Spoilers Abound! We've lost Containment*

Rat Boy wrote:

I don't know, is the frozen Thames with an elephant on it an upgrade or a downgrade from that time everything was overrun with trees?

It's perfectly simple:

Scissors cut paper;
Paper wraps rock;
Rock blunts scissors;
Elephant uproots trees.

QED.

liquid wrote:

Wasn't a fan of the ending, it felt a bit cheap and portraying humans as these thugs god knows how far into the future where they shoot and ask questions later didn't feel right. Other than that, I enjoyed it.

Have you been to Earth?

Although I thought the preview last week for smile looked boring, the episode turned out to be fine. A lot of Bill and the Doctor talking lead to interesting conversations. We are only in the second episode and it actually feels like Bill has the Doctor pretty much figured out to a degree that all other companions since 2005 haven't (or couldn't, because – apart from Donna – they were all in love with the Doctor). Her realisation about why the TARDIS is still a police box is spot on and says more about the Doctor than anything Clara or Amy have ever said.

Rat Boy wrote:

I don't know, is the frozen Thames with an elephant on it an upgrade or a downgrade from that time everything was overrun with trees?

Actually happened - the Thames used to freeze solid in the past, and they would hold frost fairs on it.

When an elephant walked on the river Thames

Rallick wrote:
liquid wrote:

Wasn't a fan of the ending, it felt a bit cheap and portraying humans as these thugs god knows how far into the future where they shoot and ask questions later didn't feel right. Other than that, I enjoyed it.

Have you been to Earth?

Yeah, have you? It's not the case now and when you think about how far into the future this is happening and them being under the banner of "United Earth" you'd think that people will think about the best possible solution instead of rushing to grab some crappy guns.
Another thing is that they have designed these robots so they should know how powerful they are and that just rushing in guns blazing wouldn't achieve a thing. If anything, they should have the tech/means to just disable them outright instead of going on the revenge path.
Their reaction was entirely out of proportion and didn't make sense unless you have the sh*ttiest opinion about humans and believe that they will remain as simple thugs, even after they achieve interstellar capabilities and the unification of all nations on Earth.

liquid wrote:

Another thing is that they have designed these robots so they should know how powerful they are and that just rushing in guns blazing wouldn't achieve a thing. If anything, they should have the tech/means to just disable them outright instead of going on the revenge path.

Did you design your phone or your car? Most people don't know how the tech they use works, they just know that it does. If Roombas suddenly start killing people the average person isn't going to consult the user manual, they're going to go at it with a hammer or kick it into a wall.

I enjoyed that episode. It won't go down as a classic. Den of Geek pointed out that they spent more time up front on the exploration of the world (which would have been the whole first episode in the old days), and it made the resolution a bit rushed as a result.

I totally bought the "humans waking up to find robots have killed a bunch of friends and family want to kill the robots" thing.

I don't buy the robots' AI killing people to make them happy, which seems like a rookie AI mistake to me (especially given all the events could have been predicted and tested for), but maybe they outsourced the software.

ruhk wrote:
liquid wrote:

Another thing is that they have designed these robots so they should know how powerful they are and that just rushing in guns blazing wouldn't achieve a thing. If anything, they should have the tech/means to just disable them outright instead of going on the revenge path.

Did you design your phone or your car? Most people don't know how the tech they use works, they just know that it does. If Roombas suddenly start killing people the average person isn't going to consult the user manual, they're going to go at it with a hammer or kick it into a wall.

And that might be an appropriate reaction against a malfunctioning roomba. Roombas killed few people, we must have revenge and shoot them all!
If millions of nanobots start attacking people under specific conditions grabbing a bunch of guns and walking in and shooting the user interfaces with these nanobots is not an adequate and sensible reaction.
And as mentioned, this is a rookie AI mistake we wouldn't commit now, but I let that pass for the plot's sake.

Anyone watching Class? I'm 1.5 episodes in and it is a little brutal but seems to have potential. Hopefully they can get the time to polish it up.

So is class a teen drama about kids learning to defend the earth? Is that why The Doctor is at that college?

What is it, exactly?

oilypenguin wrote:

So is class a teen drama about kids learning to defend the earth? Is that why The Doctor is at that college?

What is it, exactly?

High school I think... The Doc relocated some alien refugees with baggage which seeps over into school life. Turns into a permanent seep and the teens involved are tasked to deal with it.

=/

I read the snippet describing the most recent episode and it was, "while whoever deals with the events of prom..." and said lolwut and then ignored all the other ads for it.

The events of prom.

"The events of prom" doesn't mean what you think it means. Watch the first episode. That said, I didn't watch anything after the pilot as I am not interested in stuff like that.

oilypenguin wrote:

So is class a teen drama about kids learning to defend the earth? Is that why The Doctor is at that college?

What is it, exactly?

The connection is Coal Hill Academy, where Clara taught, and where the first Doctor's granddaughter (whose picture is on his desk) attended school. It's not where he's teaching at university. He's been there so much, it's become one of those places like Cardiff where bad stuff drops into our time and space. They referred to it as the bunghole of time in the second episode. I liked it OK, but it's definitely shaping up to be a monster-of-the-week-teen-drama show.

Did anyone else notice the space ship on the Smile episode was Nowhere written backwards?
was that supposed to mean anything?

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Hobbes2099 wrote:

Did anyone else notice the space ship on the Smile episode was Nowhere written backwards?
was that supposed to mean anything?

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Apparently it's a reference to a 19th century novel detailing a failed utopia.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erewhon
Credit to the incomparable teevee podcast because i never would have gotten the reference on my own

Nice eye. I knew something was weird when they showed that emblem.

I've been re-watching the last few episodes of Season 9 as refresher. Face the Raven and Heaven Sent where great episodes I thought. I barely remember the S9 finale so I'm curious if I'll enjoy it as much as the previous two episodes.

I'm having a hard time as well remembering last season; why exactly is the Doctor Earth-bound and guarding a Vault? Is that from last season or are we to learn about that this season?

Hobbes2099 wrote:

I'm having a hard time as well remembering last season; why exactly is the Doctor Earth-bound and guarding a Vault? Is that from last season or are we to learn about that this season?

I don't think we know yet. I'm guessing it will be one of those things that gets some hints as the season goes on.

If it's Pandorica, I would totally lose my sh*t.

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Bill has a long way to go before she can reach Amy+Rory levels of fan-love.

Hobbes2099 wrote:

I'm having a hard time as well remembering last season; why exactly is the Doctor Earth-bound and guarding a Vault? Is that from last season or are we to learn about that this season?

My guess is that is something to do with his memories

It's Clara. He's protecting Clara in a vault until she can absorb his Time Lord powers and become the new Doctor.

nooooooooo

ClockworkHouse wrote:

It's Clara. He's protecting Clara in a vault until she can absorb his Time Lord powers and become the new Doctor.

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Yes.

Hobbes2099 wrote:

I'm having a hard time as well remembering last season; why exactly is the Doctor Earth-bound and guarding a Vault? Is that from last season or are we to learn about that this season?

It's the Bad Wolf bomb.

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It'd make sense if the rumors about the Christmas special being about...

Spoiler:

...how the 12th Doctor ended up with all the other Doctors towards the end of the 50th anniversary...

...are true.

ClockworkHouse wrote:

It's Clara. He's protecting Clara in a vault until she can absorb his Time Lord powers and become the new Doctor.

Naw. It's Bill who ends up being the new Doctor.

The puddle in pilot was obviously a damaged TARDIS. Possibly the TARDIS. (After merging with it the star eyed girl could travel anywhere and change shape).

The photographs of Bills mother are in fact photos of Bill.

Eventually Bill will become the next Dr with her own TARDIS that can change its outside appearance and star eyed girl will become human again and be her companion.

No, no, no. It's Clara, and every episode will be her final episode on the show and will be treated with appropriate seriousness. Eventually, the flashback montage of her time on the show will collapse into a farewell montage of farewell montages like a funhouse mirror hall of sappy goodbyes for Clara.

By which I mean that they'll just re-air the last three seasons of the show because that's exactly what it became.

OMG 3rd Episode down and Bill continues to be the BEST thing to happen to Dr Who AND The Doctor himself in AGES.