[Discussion] Watching Venezuela Implode

Anything related to Venezuelan economics or politics.

This is the Venezuela thread that covers the end-game of socialism South American style.

The continued development of this story is harrowing and woefully underrepresented in American media. Thank you for making this thread.

But Aetius, I had to stop by and FTFY:

Aetius wrote:

This is the Venezuela thread that covers the end-game of corrupt government South American style.

This sort of implosion and inequality doesn't need to be socialist to occur.

Kind of an aside, but did Feeank manage to get out of there?

Last time I asked, people noted he was on Twitter.

https://twitter.com/Feeank

Seems to be doing okay. Hope this isn't terribly cyber-stalky.

Hadn't notice these changes to the world event sub-forum or however it was called, did someone set up us the bomb?

Currently doing good, may have news soon regarding moving, crossing fingers here so wish me luck

Feeank wrote:

did someone set up us the bomb?

Some might say a giant hug-bomb delivered by SJWs straight into p&c blew away some of the old ways.

However so saying would miss that the events allowed the site to rebuild the concept anew; re-branded and refocused for better tomorrows.

see here, there was also a lengthy thread asking us all for thoughts and feedback on how to approach the issue.

Feeank wrote:

Hadn't notice these changes to the world event sub-forum or however it was called, did someone set up us the bomb?

Currently doing good, may have news soon regarding moving, crossing fingers here so wish me luck

Much luck and safe travels, chamo.

Members of the Venenzualan congress (controlled by opposition to President Maduro) had been holding a campaign to collect signatures to hold a referendum to remove the President. A court suspended that campaign (I have no idea whether that signature drive actually broke reasonable laws, or if that was a corrupt decision, the formal rationale was alleged fraud in an earlier stage of signature collecting).

In response in a legislative session Congress was exploring/debating a a drive to recall Maduro, when Maduro supporters entered the chamber and ended the legislative session.

On Sunday Venezuela's congress voted to officially declare that that interruption of legislative activity was a coup. They also approved a resolution officially asking the international community to step in to "protect the people's right to democracy by any means necessary".

Time's article.

...They just asked other countries to intervene?

Robear wrote:

...They just asked other countries to intervene?

I haven't been following this situation as closely as others on the forums, but I believe that various officials on the opposition side have been requesting more UN, US et al oversight and support for awhile now.

So far the US State Department has issued reprimands (most recently for the Judge's ruling that the signatures were possibly fraudulent so the recall election should be indefinitely postponed), but nothing substantial as far as I know.

Not moving out of the country yet, but I'll be visiting Seattle next week, in case anyone here happens to be around those parts and can/wants to have a beer.

https://www.gamerswithjobs.com/node/...

Feeank wrote:

Not moving out of the country yet, but I'll be visiting Seattle next week, in case anyone here happens to be around those parts and can/wants to have a beer.

https://www.gamerswithjobs.com/node/...

Sorry we'll miss you by a week! (we are inbound the following one)

Glad you're still surviving down there. I wish you the best in however you proceed with escaping the current situation.

Tyrian wrote:

Sorry we'll miss you by a week! (we are inbound the following one)

Thanks Tyrian!
I'll stay between Jan 27 till Feb 8, maybe there's a chance : )

Regarding Venezuela, the "dialogue" has been a colossal failure as expected, the government simply won't fulfill the agreements reached, instead choosing to denounce the motions by the facilitators as "meddling", "interference" or the favourite "attack on our souvereignity"

I wonder if Venezuelan forums will now have threads titled "Watching the United States implode."

This isn't good. It's not the military but a coup is till a coup. Are you out of Venezuela now Feeank? I hope everything ends well, but it certainly doesn't look like it as the courts seem to be puppets of the president.

Zaque wrote:

This isn't good. It's not the military but a coup is till a coup. Are you out of Venezuela now Feeank? I hope everything ends well, but it certainly doesn't look like it as the courts seem to be puppets of the president.

Still here, just moved out of the old family home together with my fiance (Feeank-ce?), however, plans for leaving are in motion though a bit stalled by the moving thing.

Feeank wrote:
Zaque wrote:

This isn't good. It's not the military but a coup is till a coup. Are you out of Venezuela now Feeank? I hope everything ends well, but it certainly doesn't look like it as the courts seem to be puppets of the president.

Still here, just moved out of the old family home together with my fiance (Feeank-ce?), however, plans for leaving are in motion though a bit stalled by the moving thing.

2 and a half months later, after 80 days of protests and about 80 people killed during manifestations against the regime, today the National Assembly's President has finally announced the invocation and application of our constitution article's #333 and #350, which advocates for general civil disobedience against the authorities. From today on, anything can happen.

Good luck and stay safe.

Wow. Be safe. Thinking of you

So the government is telling the people to fight against the government? Seems weird.

Stay safe mate.

LeapingGnome wrote:

So the government is telling the people to fight against the government? Seems weird.

It's happened before.

Thanks for the concern guys, what those articles state is that the "people" are under the obligation to rebel against the government whenever said government refuses to uphold the current constitution or attempts to modify it without consulting the people, which is pretty much what's currently going on. Maduro called on a new constituent process, even though the constitution doesn't give him the authority to do so.
So, here we are, on open rebellion, however as is with politics everywhere, the events unfold slower than the society's "sense of urgency" requires.

Venezuela opposition figures taken from homes

Caracas, Venezuela (CNN)Leading Venezuelan opposition figures Leopoldo Lopez and Antonio Ledezma have been taken from their homes, according to their families.

Their rounding up comes after Sunday's controversial election handed President Nicolás Maduro a new legislative body made up entirely of his supporters.

The vote triggered massive outcry from the international community, prompting new sanctions, as well as those inside the country who have called it a sham.

Maduro's declaration of victory evoked fears that it erases any last traces of democracy in Venezuela. It paves the way to replace the current legislative body, the National Assembly, with a new, 545-member Constituent Assembly, made up entirely of his supporters.

The pro-Maduro assembly will have the power to rewrite Venezuela's Constitution. It will establish a "truth commission" to prosecute political opponents, said one of his top officials.

Are there more chilling words than "truth commission"?

Rallick wrote:

Are there more chilling words than "truth commission"?

Yup. "Camp", as in re-education, resettlement and concentration.

In my understanding of history, the former often leads to the latter.

Jonman wrote:
Rallick wrote:

Are there more chilling words than "truth commission"?

Yup. "Camp", as in re-education, resettlement and concentration.

Jamboree?