[Discussion] Rape Culture, Redux

A continuation of the P&C Rape Culture thread.

I've actually typed up and deleted a number of posts because I just can't come to grips with anyone considering the following to be negative.

You can do anything, the left will promote and understand and tolerate anything, as long as there is one element. Do you know what it is? Consent. If there is consent on both or all three or all four, however many are involved in the sex act, it’s perfectly fine.

OxyContin is a hell of a drug.

In other words, yeah, I've got nothing.

We knew this about Limbaugh, though. He's never hidden his hatefulness under a bushel basket. (And I should say that that is true about Trump too; anyone who followed his career knew this about him.)

Tying the last couple of topics together, here's one theory of conservative vs. progressive sexual ethics that I've found persuasive. Particularly in explaining why the two sides seem to always speak past each other.

God does not prohibit polyamory, though...

Robear wrote:

God does not prohibit polyamory, though...

It's what conservatives think God prohibits...

sometimesdee wrote:
Robear wrote:

God does not prohibit polyamory, though...

It's what conservatives think God prohibits...

You go for the really conservative fringe and they do start getting wobbly about opposing polygamy. Most people probably don't have direct contact with those fringes, though.

The bit in Timothy about a pastor "Being the husband of one wife" and some other similar bits mean that monogamy is pretty solidly mainstream in Christianity.

Spoiler:

(And the fringe bits I've had direct contact with are of the "We're not saying you should do it, but it's technically not a sin..." variety, not the actually-polygamous variety. Oh, and the guys who have underaged mistresses behind closed doors, though they're mostly creepy hypocrites of another stripe.)

Christianity adopted the Greek/Roman social practice of monogamy, which was several centuries old by the time Jesus was stirring up the populace in Judea. There is no direct prohibition of polygyny or polyamory in the Christian Bible, and certainly it's permitted in the Old Testament, Islam and early Judaism.

sometimesdee wrote:
Robear wrote:

God does not prohibit polyamory, though...

It's what conservatives think God prohibits...

Yeah, this is the relevant question. The author was trying to make the case that people believe in one kind of morality instead of another because of what they believe about God. It doesn't matter how philosophically or historically incorrect someone's belief is--if they sincerely believe it, you treat that belief as if it were true when explaining how they think.

"Accurate account of the world" is generally more important than "true for them", unless they are armed and threatening... Irrational beliefs are most useful for predicting the behavior of those who hold them.

MrDeVil909 wrote:

I've actually typed up and deleted a number of posts because I just can't come to grips with anyone considering the following to be negative.

Those Looney Lefties are at it again. Now I have to get permission each and every time I want to have sex with someone! PC culture gone too far!

Rape culture is when a presidential candidate brags about grabbing women by the p*ssy and people think it's the language people are up in arms about.

I mean I thought people were just disingenuously reframing the issue but, no, there's an overwhelming number of people for whom the fact the actual outrageous part hasn't clicked.

Mizzou frat teaches pledges how to use date rape drugs

If this sh*t doesn't make it clear as day that rape culture exists, I don't know what would.

That's pretty f*cking abhorrent. Ugh.

sometimesdee wrote:

Mizzou frat teaches pledges how to use date rape drugs

If this sh*t doesn't make it clear as day that rape culture exists, I don't know what would.

f*ck me. I was a DU a long time ago.

DU national needs to nuke this chapter from orbit because it clearly can't be salvaged.

They booted 70% of the members two years ago (which, in and of itself, is an almost unheard of remedy) and the chapter still managed to rack up dozens of violations, including distributing alcohol to minors, blatant hazing, and a "racial incident." And that's before the allegations of distributing date rape drugs to pledges.

I agree, OG, and I'm glad to hear it from a DU alumnus.

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I'd forgotten to tag this thread after the move from P&C to D&D. Wow, some stories are depressing...

Ugh.

Looking for that 4th wife Rudy?

Remember when Rudy was America's mayor, and insanely popular?

Yeah, me neither.

I was sexually assaulted in virtual reality

It's amazing. The avatars are all alike, but her female-sounding voice was apparently permission to grope her and ignore her protests.

Edit: FB just decided I needed to see an ad for Oculus Touch. Great, now the creeps will actually get tactile feedback when they grope?!

sometimesdee wrote:

I was sexually assaulted in virtual reality

It's amazing. The avatars are all alike, but her female-sounding voice was apparently permission to grope her and ignore her protests.

Edit: FB just decided I needed to see an ad for Oculus Touch. Great, now the creeps will actually get tactile feedback when they grope?!

I shouldn't have read some of the comments.

Yikes.

Reminds me a little of the "cyberrape" discussions in the early MUDs, in terms of coming to grips with the existence of sexual assault in a new medium.

And people wonder why I don't use a headset...

That is completely awful. I know it's not the same, but I stopped playing my female night elf after a guy followed me around Stormwind doing the pelvic thrust dance to my butt. Can't imagine what it would be like for a woman who faces online and real threats.

What the actual f*ck!

And I hate that the forums are going to censor that word, because I think swearing is appropriate for this level of behavior.