NFL 2016: Offseason: Pre-Draft / St. Louis Trolling

Jacksonville landed Malik Jackson.

Him along with Sen'Derrick Marks and Dante Fowler both back from injury is going to make for quite a new look D-line for the Jags.

Titans better draft that lineman.

*Legion* wrote:

Jacksonville landed Malik Jackson.

Him along with Sen'Derrick Marks and Dante Fowler both back from injury is going to make for quite a new look D-line for the Jags.

Titans better draft that lineman. :D

Ridiculously overpaid too.

Ian Rapoport wrote:

The #Jaguars deal for DL Malik Jackson is 6 years, $90M with $42M guaranteed, source said. So, wow.

We'll see how good Malik Jackson is when he doesn't have Von Miller and Ware busting the doors down every play.

Fun fact: Sen'Derrick Marks had more sacks in his most recent complete season than Ware did last year.

Jackson is going to benefit lining up next to him.

Also, don't be surprised when the Jags sign another edge rusher to join Fowler.

JPP back to the Giants, Jackson to the Jaguars, rumors are Mario Williams is going to the Dolphins. DEs going quickly, apparently.

Tamba Hali agrees to three-year contract to remain with Chiefs

The Chiefs and Tamba Hali have reached agreement on a three-year contract that will keep the outside linebacker in Kansas City, a source with knowledge of the situation told The Star on Tuesday.

ESPN’s Adam Schefter first reported an agreement was in place. Hali was set to become a free agent Wednesday.

Hali, 32, finished with 48 tackles last season and 6 1/2 sacks, achieving his sixth Pro Bowl berth, but he’s played through knee issues the last two seasons. He sat out practice most of last year in an effort to keep him fresh for Sundays.

He took a $3 million pay cut to remain with the Chiefs last season. The Chiefs added four voidable years to the contract to spread out his $5 million signing bonus and will be charged $4 million against this year’s salary cap because they didn’t reach a contract extension with Hali by March 4.

No details, but i have to assume this is a one or two year deal in reality. I love the guy, and he has some value as a fan favorite, but that wall for production is quickly approaching. I don't have a problem with the signing unless it is also preventing them from getting a deal done with Derrick Johnson. Of course, while he is also playing at a high level, I don't see him being worth a long term investment either.

Personally, I'd like to see the Chiefs bite the bullet and sign Sean Smith. I don't think CBs are easy enough to acquire to let one go that you have. Maybe use they should have used the tag on him and tried to sign Berry to a deal.

Sean Smith is going to end up somewhere with more money than the Chiefs can match. San Francisco is a good bet, they're now 2nd in cap space behind Jacksonville and are pursuing Smith.

What would his tag dollars have been?

Jayhawker wrote:

What would his tag dollars have been?

Franchise tag for cornerback is $14 mil, transition tag $12 mil.

For safeties, it's $10.8 and $9.1 mil, respectively.

I just wonder if the $14 mi for Smith and an attempt to sign Berry might have made more sense. I'm sure they now where they need to be better than me. I just thought Berry might be easier to sign long term.

I think it came down more to the Chiefs deciding they could only afford to keep one of them regardless. They also had Tamba Hali out there, and Derrick Johnson is still out there. If they kept Berry and Smith both, those two other guys were probably gone. Plus they have lower $ guys like Jeff Allen and Tyvon Branch still out there, who they seem interested in bringing back too.

Right now, before the Hali deal goes on the books, they have $16 mil of cap space left (with Berry's franchise tender counted). If they had tagged Smith, that would have been like $14 mil and change, and a long term deal with Berry would have eaten up a good amount of that even if it was backloaded.

There's just too many other teams out there sitting on a LOT of cap space. KC was relatively tight, and letting Smith go means they have enough to bring back a bunch of other players instead.

I'm surprised they chose to keep Hali. Doesn't seem a priority having signed Justin Houston to an extension. Guess there's no faith in Dee Ford.

Damn, Malik Jackson got paid. Let's hope he isn't Paul Kruger, eh Legion?

Mario Williams to the Dolphins. Only a two-year contract, I find that surprising. Miami is getting really good and spending tons of money for .500 records.

garion333 wrote:

Damn, Malik Jackson got paid. Let's hope he isn't Bryce Paup, eh Legion?

Fixed for Jaguars. Malik Jackson is a scheme-versatile inside/outside defensive lineman though, and those guys typically fare better changing teams than edge rushers do, who are generally more sensitive to scheme fit.

And hey, Kruger had 11 sacks in 2014, so in 2015 the Browns had him drop in coverage constantly, because Browns.

garion333 wrote:

I'm surprised they chose to keep Hali.

The surprising part is that they failed to decide on this before March 4th, which triggered a voiding of years in his existing contract and accelerated $4 mil of dead money to this year.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

Miami is getting really good and spending tons of money for .500 records.

I can't possibly understand how throwing a bunch of money at Mike Wallace didn't work.

But hey, the Vikings just cut Wallace today, so Miami can give him another shot if they want.

Apparently the Broncos and Texans are locked in a head-to-head battle for Brock Lobster.

I'm looking forward to seeing the details of the Malik Jackson contract. If it's anything like other recent Jaguars contracts, it's a glorified 2 year deal.

The Jags got killed by writers when they signed Zane Beadles to a big contract. They released him this offseason, after 2 years of a 5 year deal. Dead money left behind? $0. The deal included roster bonuses up front, with nothing guaranteed past 2 years.

Three of their signings last year, Julius Thomas, Jared Odrick, and Jermey Parnell, are in the same boat. Thomas has a tiny bit of guaranteed money beyond year 2 ($3.6 million), while Odrick and Parnell have $0. Parnell and Odrick's contracts made Grantland's "All-Bad Contracts Team" last year, yet the contracts disappear in year 3 if the team so chooses, and all those big dollars in years 3-5 become $0.

The trick they do that I really like is making the first two years of salary completely guaranteed. It inflates that "guaranteed money" figure by including the salary that you're basically going to pay them anyway, but which is usually not guaranteed. Essentially, you give up the ability to cut the guy after 1 season (since his year 2 salary is guaranteed), in exchange for the ability to cut the guy without any dead money after 2 seasons on forward (as all the guaranteed money was in those two years of salary and/or roster bonuses).

Instead of 5 years, $30 million, they had Zane Beadles for 2 years, $12 million, which is a contract no writer would have trashed the team over. It's all in the details.

Pay huge money upfront on bad contracts so they can shed them after they've won their championship. It's worked the past 2 years.

Alright Legion, could you help me understand, is this a tactic by the Jaguars to always field just a serviceable team but never a great one? They hope they hit on some of the bad contracts so they keep the player that eventually played up to their contract by keeping the contract? The only way the Jaguars come out ahead is if the player out plays the bad contract. Instead they break even from a bad free agent that they shouldn't have signed in the first place?

The Cap Management bowl is arguably far more important and prestigious than the Super Bowl.

Elliottx wrote:

Alright Legion, could you help me understand, is this a tactic by the Jaguars to always field just a serviceable team but never a great one?

It's a tactic to get free agents to come to Jacksonville at all. The key point here is that, even after all this "overspending", the Jaguars are still #1 in free cap space, season after season after season.

They're hoping to hit on some guys, and the ones that don't hit, they cut. But what is the downside? If they don't sign Odrick or Parnell or any of those guys, what do they have instead? Extra cap space. When they're already #1 in free cap space. As I like to say, free cap space can't block or tackle.

They had $33 mil of cap space unused at the end of last season. They have $82 million of it right now, which is $20 million more than second place. That's enough to franchise tag 7.6 Eric Berrys. What do they gain by not signing these free agents and having even more leftover cap space?

Beadles wasn't worth keeping going forward, as their draft picks at the position have improved, but Beadles was a good bit better than the guard situation they had before him. Parnell isn't a star but before him, the team was playing guys like Ephraim "The Turnstile" Salaam, and Parnell has ended that bleeding. Not having those guys would have made things even worse for young Blake Bortles.

It would be a different story if their spending was preventing them from re-signing their good players. The reason they have so much cap money is because they don't have many good players under long-term deals. That will change as Bortles, Robinson, Hurns, etc. reach their first extensions. Until the team has to commit money to long-term extensions for draft picks that worked out, there's no reason for them to not use what they have on a rotating door of free agents, looking for some gems.

Charles Johnson back to the Panthers. Tampa currently fielding my dead grandmother at DE.

Ben Jones former guard and starting center for the Texans is signing a 4 year deal with the Titans.

He also drank piss

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/h...

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

Charles Johnson back to the Panthers. Tampa currently fielding my dead grandmother at DE.

Her short area quickness is terrible, but her flexibility is off the charts.

Gumbie wrote:

Ben Jones former guard and starting center for the Texans is signing a 4 year deal with the Titans.

He also drank piss

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/h...

So he'll feel right at home with Tennessee's beer.

Just realized Ryan Fitzpatrick is ranked number 4 in the Sports Illustrated top 100 free agents.

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Gumbie wrote:

Just realized Ryan Fitzpatrick is ranked number 4 in the Sports Illustrated top 100 free agents.

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For a little sanity, he's #22 on PFF's

*Legion* wrote:

I'm looking forward to seeing the details of the Malik Jackson contract. If it's anything like other recent Jaguars contracts, it's a glorified 2 year deal.

The Jags got killed by writers when they signed Zane Beadles to a big contract. They released him this offseason, after 2 years of a 5 year deal. Dead money left behind? $0. The deal included roster bonuses up front, with nothing guaranteed past 2 years.

Three of their signings last year, Julius Thomas, Jared Odrick, and Jermey Parnell, are in the same boat. Thomas has a tiny bit of guaranteed money beyond year 2 ($3.6 million), while Odrick and Parnell have $0. Parnell and Odrick's contracts made Grantland's "All-Bad Contracts Team" last year, yet the contracts disappear in year 3 if the team so chooses, and all those big dollars in years 3-5 become $0.

The trick they do that I really like is making the first two years of salary completely guaranteed. It inflates that "guaranteed money" figure by including the salary that you're basically going to pay them anyway, but which is usually not guaranteed. Essentially, you give up the ability to cut the guy after 1 season (since his year 2 salary is guaranteed), in exchange for the ability to cut the guy without any dead money after 2 seasons on forward (as all the guaranteed money was in those two years of salary and/or roster bonuses).

Instead of 5 years, $30 million, they had Zane Beadles for 2 years, $12 million, which is a contract no writer would have trashed the team over. It's all in the details.

Seems pretty straight forward smart IMO.

They landed one of the highest rated FA this year. If it pans out the team is getting better and if doesn't its a 2 year commitment. (specifically this contract we don't know yet though)

I think what I like most about it is if you are going to throw a huge chunk of money at a guy aren't you going to give him 2 years to prove it anyway?

Also lets say the guy doesn't earn 100% of the contract but proves to be a pretty good asset? I find with sports inflation the deals signed now start to look pretty ok in 2-3 years anyways. If you can front load a contract when you have room to spend years 3+ start looking pretty ok unless the guy is an absolute stiff.

*Legion* wrote:

It would be a different story if their spending was preventing them from re-signing their good players. The reason they have so much cap money is because they don't have many good players under long-term deals. That will change as Bortles, Robinson, Hurns, etc. reach their first extensions. Until the team has to commit money to long-term extensions for draft picks that worked out, there's no reason for them to not use what they have on a rotating door of free agents, looking for some gems.

I'll say it for you: Thanks, Gene Smith.

Ian Rapport wrote:

The #Jaguars are signing RB Chris Ivory to a deal that's believed to be well above $6M per year.

Huh? I thought Tj Yeldon looked pretty good last year.

Also above 6M a year for Chris Ivory? Doug Martin gonna be a bazillionare by the time he gets signed.

So reports are out that Tamba Hali got 3 years $22 mil and $12 mil guaranteed. That seems a kind of much, but I guess it is essentially a two year deal. But two years means it's north of $6 mil, and might be quite a bit depending on the annual. Maybe the third year is for $10 mil.

Gumbie wrote:
Ian Rapport wrote:

The #Jaguars are signing RB Chris Ivory to a deal that's believed to be well above $6M per year.

Huh? I thought Tj Yeldon looked pretty good last year.

Also above 6M a year for Chris Ivory? Doug Martin gonna be a bazillionare by the time he gets signed.

Ivory replaces Toby Gerhart in platoon with Yeldon.