Walking Dead (No Comics! No Spoilers Beyond What's Aired)!

Interesting episode.

Feels like someone took the creative reigns and took the show in a new direction.
Have we ever seen such heavy handed use of hallucinations in the show?
I only remember Rick with the telephone and seeing Lori dressed in white. This felt like 10 times that.

There's a part of me that feels the show really wasted Tyreese as a character and Chad Coleman as an actor.

NOOO Not our Facial Expression master! I loved his "fire extinguisher rampage face" and "body slamming Judith protecting expression". Tyreese was a great character and I think he had a lot more to offer. Now we'll never see him again. Unless... he gets his own turn at being a hallucination. I had a good giggle over dream-Bob's S-eating grin. Talk about looking like you got the last cookie from the jar! I liked the funeral wrap-around. As far as the hallucination effects go, I hope it doesn't continue in that direction - I can get behind some Twin Peaks, and some Walking Dead, but I don't think they need to be liberally mixed together.

Also, why was Michonne so hung-up on staying in that place in the first (place)? She looked almost panicky to find a reason to stay. Was it just a hope to find a location to start again, or was there some connection that I forgot/missed?

Also, why was Michonne so hung-up on staying in that place in the first (place)? She looked almost panicky to find a reason to stay. Was it just a hope to find a location to start again, or was there some connection that I forgot/missed?

Like she said you can be on the road too long. As it it will F you up. Michonne knows what can happen to a person when they have lost to much and have been on the road for too long. It happened to her. She could see that Glenn was barely hanging on probably realized that Rick and herself weren't that far behind. They needed to find a safe place again where they could relax a little and let hope creep back in. Hope that life could maybe get back to some sort of normal again.

I had two questions about the latest episode but can only recall one. I'll post the other if it comes to me.

Why did the picture of Noah and his brother so fascinate Tyreese that he wasn't paying attention?

My experience with this ep is not unlike that of Lisa Simpson in the classic "Lisa the Vegetarian."

Lisa: They can’t seriously expect us to swallow this tripe!

Skinner: Now, as a special treat courtesy of our friends at the Meat Council, please help yourself to this tripe!

Children: YAAAAAY!

I don't understand why a zombie show thinks it can be that pretentious.

Keithustus wrote:

Why did the picture of Noah and his brother so fascinate Tyreese that he wasn't paying attention?

Because he had to die to ensure the proper ratio of African-American males that will keep the survivalist community comfortable. But at least that number has been doubled.

SpacePPoliceman wrote:

My experience with this ep is not unlike that of Lisa Simpson in the classic "Lisa the Vegetarian."

Lisa: They can’t seriously expect us to swallow this tripe!

Skinner: Now, as a special treat courtesy of our friends at the Meat Council, please help yourself to this tripe!

Children: YAAAAAY!

I don't understand why a zombie show thinks it can be that pretentious.

Keithustus wrote:

Why did the picture of Noah and his brother so fascinate Tyreese that he wasn't paying attention?

Because he had to die to ensure the proper ratio of African-American males that will keep the survivalist community comfortable. But at least that number has been doubled.

That and because it was another stupid-for-plot-purposes moment.
It was supposed to show that Tyreese was having a "oh sh*t, there's twins in this picture but I only see one body" moment while the missing twin was sneaking up on him, but whoever wrote that scene apparently fogot that they had Noah tell them all that his mother and his two twin brothers were at the gated community in an earlier scene, so it shouldn't have been a shock at all. Considering Tyreese had just walked past the room the boy was in and heard him shuffling and growling behind the door before he entered the bedroom it really shouldn't have been a surprise. Somehow it managed to break out of the room it was stuck in and get right behind Tyreese without making a sound, so I'm guessing it's another plot-required ninja-zombie like the one that managed to sneak up on Dale in the middle of an empty field in season 2.
I'm sure they've all got hearing damage from all the shooting they're doing without wearing ear protection, but you'd think Tyreese would have retained enough situation awareness to hear a zombie bash open a door.
Even beyond that, their decision to leave Tyreese by himself to watch over Noah while the three of them go look for supplies was really dumb. They should have waited for Noah to regain enough composure to lead them to his house, since of course he'd want to see if his family was dead or had managed to escape, and only go looting once they secured the house enough so Tyreese had a more defensible place to keep an eye on Noah. It was really obvious that Noah was in no state to have Tyreese's back if they came under attack.

I think he was looking at the picture because of the shifty eyes that the twin was giving the other twin... One evil twin... he's the one that ate the guts out of the twin on the bed and then bit Tyrese....

About Tyreese looking at the picture: I thought that when he entered the room, he thought he had accounted for both twins, one shuffling behind the door in the hall, one on the bed. Then, when he started looking at the photo, he was beginning to realize that the zombie on the bed was not one of the twins (the one on the bed was very decayed, so it was not so apparent that he was not a twin), which meant there was a zombie that was not accounted for. I think the twin that bit him was in a second room off the bedroom when Tyreese walked in and not the same zombie who belonged to the feet we saw earlier under the door in the hallway.

That does not really explain how a shuffler managed to get into the room without him hearing it and bite him on the arm.

I'm going to miss Tyreese. One of my favorite scenes of the whole show was when he busted down the cabin door to save Judith (right after clearing out the herd outside!)

I'm interested to see how things come out with Glenn. I hope he's not dead. It really looked to me as if Nick fell on top of him and it was Nick's guts that were being torn up.

EvilHomer3k wrote:

I'm interested to see how things come out with Glenn. I hope he's not dead. It really looked to me as if Nick fell on top of him and it was Nick's guts that were being torn up.

That or they were pulling his intestines out of his shoulder.

There have been things like that before, though. Where the camera angles made it look like something different happened. Then what supposedly happened did happen (even though the camera angles made it look odd). I don't remember what it was, though.

And after watching it a few more times it looks to me like the initial shot of the zombies ripping in is "off" or there is something on top of him. It looks like his shirt is grey and the shirt the zombies rip into is brown (of course Nick's shirt is green). Then later the angle doesn't show that same thing but looks like they're pulling the intestines up towards his head and there isn't anything on top of him. Overall, it seems to be ambiguous enough to allow for lots of speculation.

If he's gone I think it's a poor way to end it. If he's not it's a deus ex machina. Neither of those are very satisfying.

I'm holding out for this not being what it appears. But, even if Glenn was able to scuttle away under the dumpster, what next? Some huge distraction would be necessary to give him a chance to get away. We'll see, but I just don't think this is the way Glenn goes down.

Also, what the heck was Daryl up to?

I am also in the nope Glenn's not dead camp, although how he gets out is still a mystery. But I am positive the guy who shot himself fell on top of Glenn and all that screaming was just Glenn freaking out, because who wouldn't!

Worked for the Governor a few seasons back, didn't it?

If Glenn survives, it's gonna feel incredibly deus ex machina, but still... I really wanna see Glenn alive.

I don't care if Rick wakes up in the shower to find out the first two episodes were all just a dream. Keep Glenn alive and give him a death more deserving of such a great character (in a few years).

I don't care if Rick wakes up in the shower to find out the first two episodes were all just a dream. Keep Glenn alive and give him a death more deserving of such a great character (in a few years).

SillyRabbit wrote:

Also, what the heck was Daryl up to?

He was racing back to Alexandria to try to save the day, but turned back once Rick said he was in position to get the breakaway half of the herd back on track.

I stopped watching after the Tyrese nonsense, but watching the Glenn sitch develop across the internets, I can't help but think everyone on TWD wanted their GoT "Whip Fans into a Frenzy by Seeming to Unambiguously Kill Important Character X" moment, but no one realized that unlike the Martin-verse, there aren't any escape hatches for that death that won't absolutely reek of bullsh*t.

Yay!

That's all I'll say about that.

Double Yay!

Welp, I'm out. The show quality has been up and down since the beginning but it's been getting worse and last night officially jumped the shark.

kuddles wrote:

Welp, I'm out. The show quality has been up and down since the beginning but it's been getting worse and last night officially jumped the shark.

Are you talking about the film quality or are you talking about acting/production/writing?

if you're talking about the film production I thought "why aren't they producing this in HD? Doesn't AMC have an HD channel?"

The show always displays as a tiny sub-size on my TV where every other channel is normal. The quality of the show is terrible. Otherwise i'm still having fun with it.

Yea i'm with kuddles on this one... very lame how they tried to handle this.

I like having Glenn on but that was some major BS. The only good thing is that it open the door to a much better death.

I don't think Glenn has the right to force the girl to come with him. I mean the town was just attacked and he isn't her father. He could be taking her to her death.

Man Carol is going full on creepy even though we know Morgan is being dumb she has no real reason to be following him around.

Baron Of Hell wrote:

Man Carol is going full on creepy even though we know Morgan is being dumb she has no real reason to be following him around.

just because you're paranoid doesnt mean they're not after you

groan wrote:

Are you talking about the film quality or are you talking about acting/production/writing?

The show quality. I've kind of been iffy on the show for a while, but that takes the cake:

- After years of playing it straight (what you see on the screen is what you get), they resorted to one of the laziest tactics of leaving things ambiguous in a dumb way in order to string people along for ratings. And it suggests they would rather do that then dare kill off a crew member considered to be a "fan favourite."

- It's also dishonest. Glen is under someone else's body and is quickly being swarmed by zombies, and after all he has been through, his course of action is to both just sit there and make a lot of noise. And somehow this lets him get away unscathed. It's even more obvious now that the "death" scene felt completely forced.

- Now that they have gone down this path, it takes a lot of weight out of the tension of the show. Since the writers are willing to resort to trickery, any event, supposed character death that isn't completely in frame, or cliffhanging moment will be filled with doubt and mistrust.

- As someone mentioned in the other thread, in addition to the Glen thing, the rate of silliness in everything else has skyrocketed. People continuously have psychotic breaks out of the blue or seem to have no grasp of reality over and over again in silly ways to force everyone to be in danger again, and when they don't, you can see what they are up to a mile away. (Gee, I wonder what that kid interested in learning how to shoot a gun is up to?) Most scenes now are either completely predictable or are surprising because they make no sense.

kuddles wrote:

- It's also dishonest. Glen is under someone else's body and is quickly being swarmed by zombies, and after all he has been through, his course of action is to both just sit there and make a lot of noise. And somehow this lets him get away unscathed. It's even more obvious now that the "death" scene felt completely forced.

There's no way the zombies that couldn't get to Nicholas's body would have just ignored Glenn's legs, which should have been fully exposed based on how Nicholas fells across him.

I'm willing to forgive things like that. Walkers do seem to go for the guts first, though.

Agree with Kuddles on most accounts. Add to that the whole Morgan / Carol drama. Oh noes, she's going to find out! And the juvenile way they ended last season. Oh noes! Morgan is back and just saw Rick kill someone, now he's going to hate Rick forevers and evers. This is the kind of thing you'd see in a teen drama.

They need to move the show towards an end point. Announce it will end after Season 8 or 9 or something. Focus the writers on building to a conclusion. They can throw in some kind of hook, like the crew finding hard evidence of a real vaccine or find proof of somewhere truly safe that they work towards. Yes, the comic is never ending and that works for a comic but the show needs focus and direction. After six seasons the survival thing is getting stale and prodding.