George Zimmerman Arrested

Holy crap, DMX looks old.

iaintgotnopants wrote:

Holy crap, DMX looks old.

That was my thought as well. But I loved what he said.

Malor wrote:

I don't. No matter the outcome, everyone involved loses. Even the audience.

This, this, this, this, this. It's allegedly official now, FYI.

Y'know, if I were trying to think of a desperate-for-money moron who'd be stupid enough to fall for the clearest goddamn okey-doke on the planet, DMX would be right near the top of my list. And this is now being called "Celebrity" boxing.

God... y'know, I knew DMX was a moron, but I didn't think he was THIS BREED of short-sighted f*ckwit. Although frankly, since I should've known better, the dude's been acting like a coked-out halfwit for years now.

By any outcome, this serves to only benefit one person. George Zimmerman. And DMX and The Game are both stupid enough to take the bait.

So there's no way George Zimmerman committed a crime, right? He's just a normal dude who was forced to stand his ground. Just as he was forced to pick a fight with a celebrity African American male (he was choosy, but apparently flexible, as long as the individual is black). Most definitely not a racist...

The only way this remotely ends well is if DMX (or anyone, really) shows up and sits outside the ring shaking their head in shame at Zimmerman. Let him stand in the ring and further bury himself in the court of public opinion. No one even needs to land a punch.

DSGamer wrote:

The only way this remotely ends well is if DMX (or anyone, really) shows up and sits outside the ring shaking their head in shame at Zimmerman. Let him stand in the ring and further bury himself in the court of public opinion. No one even needs to land a punch.

This assumes there's a single firing neuron left in DMX's skull.

Did I miss where Zimmerman picked the opponent? The article led me to believe that the fight promoter made the choice. Although when a sizable chunk of the population says the want to kick your butt, might as well make some lemonade from those lemons

Holy f*ck, what?

Posting this here because the Marissa Alexander case has been mentioned earlier in this thread as an example where nobody was killed, yet Stand Your Ground apparently didn't apply to the case. There are some arguments that since Alexander returned to the house, she can't claim to have been in fear for her life (although I find this [em]extremely[/em] troubling next to the apparent legitimacy of Zimmerman's fear for his life after pursuing the person he eventually shot and killed).

Anyway:

Marissa Alexander's sentence could triple in 'warning-shot' case
(Larry Hannan, The Florida Times-Union, 2014-03-01)

A Jacksonville woman whose case generated outrage when she was sentenced to 20 years in prison may end up behind bars for 60 years for the same crime.

The Office of State Attorney Angela Corey will seek to put Marissa Alexander in prison for 60 years, essentially a life sentence, if it succeeds in convicting her for a second time for firing a shot in the direction of her estranged husband and two of his children. Her trial is scheduled to begin on July 28.

The previous conviction was thrown out by an appeals court and a re-trial ordered because the judge instructed the jury that she must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that she was battered by her husband. The same appeals court has separately ruled on another case that 10-20 year sentences required by law can't be ordered to be carried out concurrently, as the judge did in the original trial. The legislature is currently working on a bill that's expected to pass which would clarify the legislature's sentencing guidelines in the case of firing warning shots.

So what that prosecutor is saying, with absolute directness, is "you should have killed him instead."

Malor wrote:

So what that prosecutor is saying, with absolute directness, is "you should have killed him instead."

Yup.

Interesting interview with Lisa Bloom, author of a new book on the Trayvon Martin case.

It may surprise some people, but as you explain, your first impression of the trial was that “the chips were falling almost entirely on the defense side of the case–that is, for Zimmerman.” But that changed rather dramatically. What made it change for you and why?

When I did all the background reading, watching the videos, and looking at the crime scene photos and watching about the first week of the evidence, I did think the case was falling very strongly on the defense side. That’s because Zimmerman cooperated with police immediately, he spoke to the police, he didn’t run away, he told his story, which was coherent. Yes, there were inconsistencies, but none of them struck me as all that significant. Usually when people tell a detailed story several times, there would be inconsistencies. The neighbors seem to like him, even the police officers seem to like him. So I thought, as sad as this case is, he’s probably going to prevail on self-defense.

So, what changed was when I reviewed the evidence myself on a weekend. My first thought was I know he had a concealed holster, let me understand how the gun was carried in the holster. And so I looked at pictures of his holster. I looked at that particular make of holster, and how people typically wear it. Then I look at how he wore it. So that required me to go back and look at his videotaped – they call it a reenactment, but I don’t really considered it a complete re-enactment, because they didn’t have him get down on the ground, and that was a critical error police made—but from a standing position Zimmerman indicated very clearly on video where the holster was, which was on his back right hip behind him, and so I stopped the video several times and rewound it. He demonstrates three times.

I was so shocked when I saw that that I had to have other people look at it for me. You know, sometimes you just can’t believe your own eyes. And they saw it the same way I did. That really started changing my whole view of the case, because there is no way that George Zimmerman’s story works. With his gun in the holster behind him lying on his back, Trayvon straddling him, and especially when you add in that it was a very dark night it was raining, and there’s grass. As I said in the book, unless Trayvon has x-ray vision there’s no way he saw the gun, and reached for the gun in that moment, in that position, that Zimmerman said.

So I thought “If that’s true, then what else am I missing?” Now that I’m open to the idea that the prosecution may be missing its own best evidence, which is just shocking to me, what else might I be missing? And I looked at pictures of the crime scene, where Trayvon’s body was found, which was a substantial distance from the concrete. I went there in person to the crime scene in Sanford Florida, I looked at it with my own two eyes. Zimmerman’s head could not have been banged on the concrete as he says at the time that he pulled the gun. I know there was no blood on the concrete as well, but that could’ve been washed away by the rain, so I give him the benefit of doubt on that. But it just doesn’t work that his head was on the concrete, Trayvon’s body was too far away. He says he doesn’t move Trayvon’s body which I think is believable.

So the two biggest parts of the self-defense story are now out. And that leaves manslaughter, or murder. Because we know that Zimmerman shot him. And those are the only two options. So that was just really very, very startling to me. And probably more startling was that the prosecution was missing this.

There are more interesting tidbits in the interview.

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Seriously, how is anyone treating this guy as a celebrity worth praising in that way? Rawr!

Demosthenes wrote:

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Seriously, how is anyone treating this guy as a celebrity worth praising in that way? Rawr!

The world is broken.

Well, in the defense of someone who was recently acquitted in a very public way, I don't think he's getting hired by anyone anytime soon.

But, yeah, that's pretty sick to me personally, even if every word of his side of the story was true.

There are times when I am quietly amazed that humans have ever managed to build societies of any complexity, when they had this kind of raw material to work with.

George Zimmerman arrested on aggravated assault charge. Again. Hopefully this time it will stick, though I'm not holding my breath.

Rallick wrote:

George Zimmerman arrested on aggravated assault charge. Again. Hopefully this time it will stick, though I'm not holding my breath.

Domestic aggravated assault with a weapon. Apparently no one told him that throwing a wine bottle at your girlfriend isn't something you should do...

The judge also ordered him to surrender any firearms he had by Tuesday. But that makes me wonder how in the heck he still was allowed to have any firearms after previously being arrested for racking and pointing a shotgun at a previous girlfriend, pointing a gun at his estranged wife, and threatening to kill someone during a road rage incident.

He's not breaking any laws, he was fearing for his life from those threatening women and chose to stand his ground!

Not to mention the road rage incident and the assaulting a police officer.

The clock is ticking, and Zimmerman is not getting any smarter. Sooner or later he'll mouth off to the wrong dude, or beat a woman who has an armed relative, or even a gun herself. Or he'll get in a fender-bender and try to punch out someone who is strapped. "Yes, officers, considering who it was, I *was* in legitimate fear for my life!"

Robear wrote:

The clock is ticking, and Zimmerman is not getting any smarter. Sooner or later he'll mouth off to the wrong dude, or beat a woman who has an armed relative, or even a gun herself. Or he'll get in a fender-bender and try to punch out someone who is strapped. "Yes, officers, considering who it was, I *was* in legitimate fear for my life!"

He is completely oblivious to the fact that there may be other folks just as quick to violence as himself. I suspect that for all the incidents that we know about, there are at least a couple we don't know about where he has simply victimized a civilized citizen.

He really needs to spend some significant time in prison.

Renee "Eyes for Lies" (one of Paul Ekman's "Truth Wizards") had this to say about Zimmerman a year ago:

What do I see when I watch George Zimmerman speak out?

I see a very cold, unemotional robotic person who is unable to understand and relate to anyone.

Even George doesn’t understand why he has no regrets for taking a man’s life. When he says that I believe him.

I also see someone who will not bow down to anyone, and the world needs to hear that message. He isn’t here to get along with humanity. Humanity is in his way. Heed his message.

He is a ticking time-bomb waiting to explode again.

Just wondering how much longer he is going to be the darling of the Fox Nuisance crowd.

That won't stop. Just wait and see what happens if he's taken down by a dark-skinned policeman...

NathanialG wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/11/us/florida-george-zimmerman-shooting/index.html George Zimmerman has been shot in a possible road rage incident.

FTFY

AHH. TOO SLOW.

I'd have shot him too, given the context noted in the article:

According to Cornell, the man told him that he and Zimmerman have had three disputes. This time, Zimmerman waved a gun and the man shot at him, according to Cornell.

Hell, I wouldn't have waited for Zimmerman to wave the gun; he goes for the holster, he gets shot. His track record proves that anyone would have reasonable suspicion to fear for their life if Zimmerman draws on them.

I love the irony of the idea that this dude probably had an ironclad Stand Your Ground defense for this incident when wounding Zimmerman.

Demosthenes wrote:

I love the irony of the idea that this dude probably had an ironclad Stand Your Ground defense for this incident when wounding Zimmerman.

Yeah. You can't make this s**t up. If you said that was an Onion headline I'd believe you.

Zimmerman still had a permit to carry??