Firearm Hobbyist Catch-All

Any IDPA folks here have thoughts on the new proposed rules?

The first, and one of the biggest announcements, is on the flatfooted reload. While we thought we were headed the right direction with this, it became obvious that the membership at large did not like this new rule and that we missed the mark by implementing it. The members have spoken using the suggestion tool and we listened. When this version of the rule book becomes effective, the flat footed reload will now be gone. Big cheers all around we are sure.

Another announcement almost as big is the addition of a new division in IDPA. We actually have two ideas and again, we want your input. The final specifics of each option are yet to be determined, as we want the members opinion first on which option to peruse.

Option 1: Compact Carry Pistol (CCP) – this would be for double action or single action guns. This division would be largely like SSP otherwise but the gun size would be limited to guns of M&P compact or Glock 19 size.

Option 2: Laser and Optic Pistol (LOP) – this division would allow for the mounting of a laser or slide mounted optic on the handgun. The optic would have to be mounted between the rear of the ejection port and the rear of the slide. Both single action and double action would be allowed. We might also add revolver to this division.

Remember, the complete requirements are not yet set for these divisions but we want you to tell us the direction to work on. To let us know, please got to www.surveymonkey.com/s/JT6HJDF to make your choice.

With the addition of this new division, we have also decided to eliminate the ESR Division. While we know that this will make a few people unhappy, the results for sanctioned matches in the past year show that ESR comprises less than 3 percent of all competitors. This number also holds true for classifications held by our entire membership. We are looking at the possibility of adding these guns back to SSR so that we do not completely lose our members ability to shoot them.

One of the last areas that we are working hard on is adding some of the creativity back to the stage designers’ toolbox. We are making good progress and we think that the members and match directors will be happy with the end results.

Edwin wrote:

Any IDPA folks here have thoughts on the new proposed rules?

I kinda wish they would stop introducing new divisions, and start focusing on making the scenarios more interesting and challenging with more options for how you move through the space and engage the targets. I mean, let's be honest - the only real division that matters is auto versus revolver because of the inherently slower revolver reloads. I'd like the emphasis to be less on the split-second differences in timing or reloads, and more on how you actually approach the scenario.

Sounds like you want something between USPSA and IDPA. Check out KSTG.

I think I would like a division in which you are not allowed to wear hearing protection, other people are shouting and shooting, you occasionally get hit by paintballs and baton rounds, and at a critical point in the round, you get rushed either by a trained apprehension dog or by one of your loved ones.

That would be take the pretense out of the whole "realistic" thing.

No hearing protection is less realistic than you might think, especially for indoors. Once the first round goes off, you can barely hear anything anyway - your ears are ringing like mad. The only thing you'd gain from no hearing protection is hearing injuries. Simulating incoming fire and situational chaos would be really good though. There are some training schools that do that kind of thing, but it's nonexistent in competition as far as I know. IDPA does have moving targets, some of which are rushes, but it would be nice to have something like "if the target gets this far, i.e. close up on you, you lose points" to force the shot.

Aetius wrote:

No hearing protection is less realistic than you might think, especially for indoors. Once the first round goes off, you can barely hear anything anyway - your ears are ringing like mad. The only thing you'd gain from no hearing protection is hearing injuries. Simulating incoming fire and situational chaos would be really good though. There are some training schools that do that kind of thing, but it's nonexistent in competition as far as I know. IDPA does have moving targets, some of which are rushes, but it would be nice to have something like "if the target gets this far, i.e. close up on you, you lose points" to force the shot.

My point is that this is all just a "sport" with little to any real application in an honestly threatening situation until real stress is added to the equation. It is a bit like thinking that working out to a Billy Blanks tape once a week makes you ready for a deadly street encounter. Actually, worse considering what is going on physiologically.

Paleocon wrote:
Aetius wrote:

No hearing protection is less realistic than you might think, especially for indoors. Once the first round goes off, you can barely hear anything anyway - your ears are ringing like mad. The only thing you'd gain from no hearing protection is hearing injuries. Simulating incoming fire and situational chaos would be really good though. There are some training schools that do that kind of thing, but it's nonexistent in competition as far as I know. IDPA does have moving targets, some of which are rushes, but it would be nice to have something like "if the target gets this far, i.e. close up on you, you lose points" to force the shot.

My point is that this is all just a "sport" with little to any real application in an honestly threatening situation until real stress is added to the equation. It is a bit like thinking that working out to a Billy Blanks tape once a week makes you ready for a deadly street encounter. Actually, worse considering what is going on physiologically.

No! No! Bad Paleo! Bad!

I had a super long thing written about my thoughts on this and realized I wasn't in P&C.

I'm so glad I'm not the only one that thinks this whole pretense of a sport as tactical training is nonsense.

Edwin wrote:

Worth it?

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Edwin wrote:

I'm so glad I'm not the only one that thinks this whole pretense of a sport as tactical training is nonsense.

Wait, are there seriously people who think it's comparable to specialized police/military training? Scary.

AnimeJ wrote:
Edwin wrote:

I'm so glad I'm not the only one that thinks this whole pretense of a sport as tactical training is nonsense.

Wait, are there seriously people who think it's comparable to specialized police/military training? Scary.

SO MANY OF THEM.

It's really dumb.

To be fair, those few competitive shooters whom I know refer to their activities as "races". I am now interested to ask explicitly, but I don't think any one of them consider these races as a training format for real firefights.

The only thing I use it for is sport and to confirm basic skills and techniques (drawing with and without concealment, press out, split speeds, accuracy, reloads from retention and tac-loads, different positions, engaging from cover, etc) outside of practice.

You know, for as much sh*t as we give IDPA/USPSA, it's still loads better than sh*t like this.

I don't even.

That was good for a laugh, especially toward the end. "Let us devastate each others ability to hear forever before rolling around on the floor".
It reminds me of the video posted a few years ago now I guess that had among other things a fellow hanging by his knees doing some kind of inverted crunch while firing. I can't remember if it was live ammo he was using but I do remember the barrel of the gun sweeping across his chin.

Reaper81 wrote:

:shock:

Yep.

I like the part where one of them would run in front of the other two while they were shooting at the door. Very tactical.

That was my favorite part.

Well.... my second favorite part.

what the...

There's a whole series of videos. It's terribad.

To cleanse your palette.

Those videos bring me great pleasure.

I skipped straight to the palate cleanser.

that totally made me think of this.

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Paleocon wrote:

that totally made me think of this.

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Speechless. Can't stop laughing.

I'm toying with the idea of getting some custom grips made so I can actually use my support hand. Thoughts on a wood and style? This is for my P-35.

http://www.czgrips.us/woods.htm
http://www.czgrips.us/styles%20&%20d...

How can you not pick something called "bloodwood"??

I like the Fancy Walnut, Bolivian Rosewood, and Desert Ironwood.

Style is going to depend strongly on your hands and experience with grip shapes. Afraid I have no advice there.

http://www.hogueinc.com/grips

Not sure if they have your particular gun, but I have several sets from them. I only wish they had more variety of exotic wood.