Recommend me a new mouse.

I snagged a Logitech m705 from our conference room and it feels great in the day or so I've been using it. I haven't had the opportunity to play with any good mice but if I grabbed one of these for my home rig I don't think I'd be upset. For roughly the same money, though, I can snag the CM Storm Spawn. Moreover, for _less_ money I can grab the CM Storm Xornet. This looks to have the same chassis, has a 2000 DPI sensor vs. the Spawn's 3500 DPI sensor. I'm not concerned about that, but in reading about it, it seems to be a smaller mouse, good for smaller hands or a claw grip. Anyone have experience with that?

I'm a whole-hand mouse user, not a claw, and the m705 is a good fit.

EDIT: The Xornet is listed in its title and its description as having a 2000 DPI sensor but the Spawn is listed variably as having a 4000 DPI or 3500 DPI sensor.

WTH? Monoprice has a RAT knock off? Does it even adjust?

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Does it even adjust, bro?

That's a Decepticon, right?

muraii wrote:

That's a Decepticon, right?

I would totally...

...no, actually, I wouldn't buy a mouse that transformed into a robot. But I think it would be a really cool idea.

muraii wrote:

I snagged a Logitech m705 from our conference room and it feels great in the day or so I've been using it. I haven't had the opportunity to play with any good mice but if I grabbed one of these for my home rig I don't think I'd be upset. For roughly the same money, though, I can snag the CM Storm Spawn. Moreover, for _less_ money I can grab the CM Storm Xornet. This looks to have the same chassis, has a 2000 DPI sensor vs. the Spawn's 3500 DPI sensor. I'm not concerned about that, but in reading about it, it seems to be a smaller mouse, good for smaller hands or a claw grip. Anyone have experience with that?

I'm a whole-hand mouse user, not a claw, and the m705 is a good fit.

EDIT: The Xornet is listed in its title and its description as having a 2000 DPI sensor but the Spawn is listed variably as having a 4000 DPI or 3500 DPI sensor.

If you're a "whole hander", then you won't like the CM Storm Xornet, since it is definitely a smaller hand, or claw style (the way I use it) type of mouse. I have been using it for 3-4 years now and have had no quality issues whatsoever and it was a really good price, especially since I had moved from a bit more expensive G7.

So the R.A.T. folks got back to me saying I can return the mouse and they will fix it. They wanted the receipt but I haven't had that for about a year when I thought the warrantee had run out.
Turns out they guarantee their workmanship for as long as you, the original owner, have the mouse.
I explained I dint have the receipt, only a picture of the day I bought it with the box on top of my car in front of the store. I was going to do a review but didn't bother. I sent them the picture though!

Been using a Performance MX mouse at work for awhile, and finally bit on the m705 for my personal laptop. It's lighter (you can make it even lighter if you just use a single battery), feels a lot like what I'm used (read: good & comfy), and didn't break the bank.

trueheart78 wrote:

Been using a Performance MX mouse at work for awhile, and finally bit on the m705 for my personal laptop. It's lighter (you can make it even lighter if you just use a single battery), feels a lot like what I'm used (read: good & comfy), and didn't break the bank.

I realy like the one at work. I ended up getting a g400s and I'm not sure but fits as well. It's for work so that's fine. Might end up stealing the m705 anyway.

Are there any trackballers out there? I've been using thumb trackballs for a long time, and for the last few years I've been using the Logitech M570 at home and an older Trackman Wheel at work. My work trackball is finally starting to get worn out (it is probably 8 years old by now). So I am back in the market for something now. I really don't want or need a wireless trackball, but the M570 has been pretty much the only thumb trackball in the US market and it is wireless. I honestly don't like it as much as the older Trackman wheel, it feels cheaper and the middle button on it kind of sticks, but my options are fairly limited.

Apparently there is a Japanese company, Sanwa, that makes wired thumb trackballs, and I am considering getting one imported.

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I guess Logitech has gotten out of the thumb trackball business... I was going to link you to one, but the prices are absolutely nuts.

I really liked my old Trackman Marble, but it played hell on my wrists, and I ended up having to switch to a regular mouse.

I took receipt of a Logitech g400s on Saturday and plugged it in. I put my hand over it, expecting to feel it rest perfectly comfortably in my hand. I feel it might be just a hair too big, or designed to a tolerance just shy of ideal for me. I can reach all the primary buttons and the wheel and such, and the back button on the side, very comfortably. The foreward button is too far forward for my initial liking. At least, that's what I thought initially.

I'm realizing that maybe I took a grip initially for which the mouse wasn't designed. I need to put my hand more on top rather than behind the mouse, which I guess is how I normally grip mice. Doing this, the mouse feels fine. So, in summation: the mouse is fine and I figured out how to use it appropriately while typing this thus obviating any small worth this post represented at the outset.

Supposedly, based on what I'm reading today, Logitech may have the best flawless optical sensor on the market in the G502. Highest perfect control speed I've ever seen in tests for any mouse, no acceleration, no smoothing, native DPI up to 12,000, not interpolated. So high it's useless but still technically impressive.

It looks frickin ridiculous and is $80 though, and seems to be as heavy as the G500 so I'm not sure who exactly it's for.

A less ridiculous mouse with the same sensor could be great.

Have a link handy? I'm curious, and don't see anything on my usual sources.

The Overclock.net forums are to mice as Geekhack is to keyboards. All the details are in their threads. I can grab links later, if necessary. The threads can be a tough read as a ton of their posters have a very loose grasp on english and another portion are l337 gamer bros, but there are a few that do a lot of exhaustive technical testing and post really good objective info.

misplacedbravado wrote:
muraii wrote:

That's a Decepticon, right?

I would totally...

...no, actually, I wouldn't buy a mouse that transformed into a robot. But I think it would be a really cool idea.

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It's been done. And he was an Autobot (Maximal in the series he appeared in):P

The Razer Imperator 2012 that I've been using, clocked in at just under 23 months before developing the dreaded double-click issue.

First thought was to just replace it with another Imperator or move to a Deathadder 2013/Black which is cheaper and since I hardly use the top buttons anyway. But noticed that the Naga 2014 is being sold around that price point too, which is enticing since I mostly play MMOs nowadays.

My main concern is quality of build among these 3. From what I know the Deathadder usually last around 2-3 years while the Naga has more potential for failure since it has more buttons. Anyone with any insight?

Have taken a look around at mice from other brands; I've moved away from Logitech and not keen to go back, while the offerings from Steelseries just come across as underwhelming.

I'm still loving the Steelseries Sensei Raw rubberized. It's a good blend of performance, features, simplicity, and build quality.

tuffalobuffalo wrote:

I'm still loving the Steelseries Sensei Raw rubberized. It's a good blend of performance, features, simplicity, and build quality.

Too used to right-handed ergo mice by now; can't do without one.
That said I did notice the Steelseries Rival mouse. Any thoughts on that one?

Falchion wrote:
tuffalobuffalo wrote:

I'm still loving the Steelseries Sensei Raw rubberized. It's a good blend of performance, features, simplicity, and build quality.

Too used to right-handed ergo mice by now; can't do without one.
That said I did notice the Steelseries Rival mouse. Any thoughts on that one?

The Rival is the best mouse Steelseries has made in ages, and the sensor is leagues better than the one they put in the Sensei. The only thing you might notice with it is that it's a bit heavier than I think all the other mice you've listed. Not by a lot, about 10 grams or so if I remember correctly, but a little.

Sensor performance wise it's IMO better than the 2013 Deathadder. That puts it on par with the previous models of the DA.

According to a rep on Overclock CoolerMaster has a 2.0 version of the CM Storm Spawn in the works. That's a mouse I will have the moment it's available to me regardless of price.

I have been using a Rival for about a month now, replacing a Logitech G5, and I'm loving the longer, flatter profile. I favor relatively stiff click pressure (compared to e.g. Microsoft mice), and the flat surfaced wheel is an extra bonus. It actually seems rather light to me compared to the (weighted) G5 and my backup MS Comfort 3000. So far it's been the best hand-fit for me since my much beloved but obsolete and wheel-less ergonomic 3-button mouseman.

consciousness wrote:

I have been using a Rival for about a month now, replacing a Logitech G5, and I'm loving the longer, flatter profile. I favor relatively stiff click pressure (compared to e.g. Microsoft mice), and the flat surfaced wheel is an extra bonus. It actually seems rather light to me compared to the (weighted) G5 and my backup MS Comfort 3000. So far it's been the best hand-fit for me since my much beloved but obsolete and wheel-less ergonomic 3-button mouseman.

I have no idea what the G5 weighs, to be honest. If it's as much as the current G500 then it actually is heavier than the Rival even without the weights. But then the G500 is considered too heavy by a lot of people.

IIRC, The G500 is about 121g. The Rival comes in around ~110. The new Logitech G502 is about 126g. But the average weight for most gaming mice is usually right around 100g, with many of them coming in a little lighter.

The CM Storm Spawn, for example, is like 65g.

When you're talking about weight in grams it doesn't seem like a lot of difference, but grow accustomed to a super light mouse like the Spawn and then go back to something like the G500 and see how much faster your wrist and hand gets uncomfortable.

It really does make a difference.

The worst offenders on this front are the RAT mice. They all weigh over 150g.

Is the CM Storm Spawn a significant upgrade from the Xornet (my current mouse)?

cartoonin99 wrote:

Is the CM Storm Spawn a significant upgrade from the Xornet (my current mouse)?

It's the exact same shape. The sensor in the Spawn is better, but if you're happy with what you already have and don't feel like it's holding you back... I can't see any reason to jump to another mouse with the exact same shell.

I had to laugh at announcer dude.

Coming from a G500 mouse, I do like the thumb buttons, but I'm not sure about the side toggle. I'd rather just have a button there I think.

Wow that Tyon is awesome. You can blow up a city with it to the extreme.

So, in today's adventure in Poor Technical Diagnosis, I thought my G400's right mouse button was failing, as using it to turn in WoW was failing suddenly.... not incredibly often, but maybe 1 time in 4. It was getting old-ish, so I figured it was time for a replacement. But, frustratingly, the replacement did the same thing: turns out the actual problem was an enabled-but-empty command bar I'd turned on in the center of the screen. If the mouse cursor was right over the center, it wouldn't turn, and I tried to turn with the pointer in the middle about 1 time in 4. Sigh.

So, I've got this new mouse, and I could probably return it, but since I was stupid, I figure I should just keep it. And, of course, give it a mini-review here. It's a Logitech G402, which has some stupid name (*looks on box*) -- "Hyperion Fury" (shudder). It's actually pretty comfortable, though, and the precision seems excellent, probably better than the G400. In the Logitech software, I turned off all the advanced features and left all the buttons at their default settings, essentially trying to make it as simple and stupid a mouse as possible, and it seems to have worked pretty well. Acceleration is off, bling is off, profiles are off. The DPI buttons are still active, and I think they're going to be much better than the ones on the G400; those little ones tended to stick, and just didn't work very well. The G402's are much better. There's also an instant DPI switcher under the thumb that I left alone, which is intended for sniping; I don't think I'll use it, but it's not in the way.

It's a little lighter than the G400, and it felt cheap at first, but I'm finding I quite like the tracking and the glide feel. I didn't need to buy it, and it wasn't worth $60 coming from the old mouse, but it is a little better.

I'd say, if you're looking for something that's quite a good mouse, you'll probably like this. It's very precise, it's quite comfortable, the buttons are in good places and there aren't too many of them, and there doesn't seem to be any angle snapping or other BS going on. It's just a very high resolution, high-speed pointing device.

I only wish it wasn't so expensive. The G400 was about $40, and while the 402 is a little better, I don't think it's $20 better.

The G400, depending on which run of it you ended up with, has some built in angle snapping/prediction in the sensor that cannot be turned off. They eventually fixed this and updated the mouse and you can figure out which version you have with a quick google search and a look at the serial number.

However... Logitech replaced the G400 with the G400S, and the sensor in that has issues that have never been fixed. The regular post-fix G400 has become hard enough to find and has enough die hard fans that if you look on Amazon you'll find the only place selling it is charging $99.

The G402 is built around the same sensor that's in the G502 and is no contest the best sensor ever put into a mouse.

Yeah, you can definitely tell it's a good sensor. But, if you had the good version of the 400 (which mine is), I'd call that a better buy at $40. At $99, though, that's just silly. Buy the 402 instead: it's a better mouse! But only a *little* better.

Is it worth $60 in an absolute sense? I really dunno. I haven't used anything but the 400 and 402 for so long that I've forgotten what other mice feel like. But it seems like an awful lot of money for a fundamentally simple device. The good old Microsoft mice used to cost that much, back in the day, but those things were built like tanks. It doesn't *feel* like this one has that kind of construction, but of course, only time will really tell.

You can buy new feet for it, though, which is pretty cool. I'm not sure I've ever seen another mouse where you could replace the feet so easily.

I still want Coolermaster to update the Spawn. That's an *awesome* mouse that just needs a few tweaks to be what I would consider almost perfect.

If they updated that mouse with a sensor of the same quality as the G502/402 I would buy like five of them and then ignore new mice for like 20 years.