Wow. That's a lot better.
Enterprise theme song was better than Firefly's.
The major problem was more that both it and Voyager suffered from airing on 4th and 5th networks like UPN and WB.
I used to be a huge Trek fan and UPN in my area made it downright impossible for me to watch Enterprise. I'd set my ol' DVR and 9 out of 10 times I'd end up having recorded the last 15 minutes of a small regional college basketball game that had run over its time and missing the end of the show or it was downright pre-empted for some other regional sports game. It was ridiculous. The show moved days and times so often I finally just gave up because I'd missed large parts of the story arc.
Enterprise theme song was better than Firefly's.
And now I can't trust anything you say, ever again.
LiquidMantis wrote:Enterprise theme song was better than Firefly's.
And now I can't trust anything you say, ever again.
Man, that line hung a long time with no nibbles.
Looked like trolling bait, so I just ignored it. :p
Enterprise theme song was better than Firefly's.
Shut your filthy whore mouth.
Just watched 'Dreadnought'. Even though the ideas in it have been done a hundred times in sci-fi I thought they did a good take on it. It was even a bit suspenseful, which is pretty rare since the outcome of these kinds of episodes tend to be so predictable. One of my favourite episodes so far.
The Doctor does get a name eventually. ;)
That's mean.
It's kind of a spoiler thread by nature.
Think about it carefully, and realize it's really not a spoiler.
Since the timeline in which he chooses a name never happened.
Oh god, is Kaidan from Mass Effect on Voyager? It sounds like him.
Oh god, is Kaidan from Mass Effect on Voyager? It sounds like him.
Answer: Yes. Raphael Sbarge has also been in Independance Day, Once Upon a Time, L&O: SVU, Dollhouse, The Cosby Show, Prison Break, Avatar: The Last Airbender, and Grim Fandango.
Huh, I didn't realize Jiminy Cricket was Kaiden. Since I killed him off way back in ME1, I never got familiar with Kaiden's voice.
Think about it carefully, and realize it's really not a spoiler.
Spoiler:Since the timeline in which he chooses a name never happened.
There are actually two separate episodes, several seasons apart, in which the Doctor chooses a name. By the end of each respective episode, that timeline no longer exists. I guess his name is like the Redshirt of time travel episodes - you know by the end it will be dead.
BlackSheep wrote:By Season 3 of Enterprise, I loved that it seemed that every episode was a cliffhanger... I'm glad I didn't catch it when it was on TV and I would have to wait for a week for each episode. And finally... f*ck that intro song. The producer should've been executed by airlock for that sh*t.
If you squint you can kind of see how the sentiment...yeah, there's nothing that can redeem that choice. The imagery was cool, though. The mirror universe deconstruction of it was good, too.
Yeah, it was a great intro with the exploration cut-scenes. And I really enjoyed the Terran song way better.. the militaristic overtones fit that perfectly.
Of course, this thread had me gorge myself on Enterprise (and this thread came up as I was finishing Voyager), now I'm moving on to DS9.
A Star Trek thread that snuck under my radar? How'd that happe...
...Oh. Oh, Voyager and Enterprise.
Yeah. That's how.
Show us on the doll where Rick Berman touched you, NSMike.
kyrieee wrote:I think that intro made me way more critical of everything in the show than I otherwise would've been.
Yeah, so far I have a pet theory that the intro song killed that series almost as much as anything else. The major problem was more that both it and Voyager suffered from airing on 4th and 5th networks like UPN and WB. They couldn't promote within their own networks, and the Internet was still a little baby Net at the time. They had no carryover from popular shows, and the network didn't even air in a lot of markets. But yeah, that song meant that you started every single episode with a bad taste in your mouth. It implied poor quality, and meant that everyone had to work harder to overcome it. It didn't pump you up like the openings to the original series, or Next Generation.
A little research suggests that the song played at the end of every episode was actually the original theme music. It matches up quite well to the opening sequence.
That is tremendously better, and would've improved my opinion of the show overall almost instantly.
The finale of Enterprise was a real stinker though, probably because it was put together at the last minute. I remember reading an interview with Jolene Blalock discussing how she and several other cast members really despised it.
DS9 is probably my personal favorite at this point. The Ferrengi, Cardasians, fleshing out the Klingons, etc really impressed me. A couple of episodes, in particular the one where O'Brien was given the memories of being imprisoned for so many years, just gave me chills.
So, I thought Kes travled back in time with her memory intact. Right? She tells Janeway and the Doctor some important technobabble about the time torpedoes, then goes further back in time but at the end they make it pretty clear she still remembers everything. Does she not tell them that stuff again? Wtf? Because I just watched "Year of Hell" and apparently they don't know any of that stuff so what was the point?! Also, the whole time I was just thinking "please don't solve this by saying it never happened" and of course that's what they did.
So, I thought Kes travled back in time with her memory intact. Right? She tells Janeway and the Doctor some important technobabble about the time torpedoes, then goes further back in time but at the end they make it pretty clear she still remembers everything. Does she not tell them that stuff again? Wtf? Because I just watched "Year of Hell" and apparently they don't know any of that stuff so what was the point?! Also, the whole time I was just thinking "please don't solve this by saying it never happened" and of course that's what they did.
:(
Your disappointment is understandable, but ultimately, this result is not surprising, and would have happened even without the temporal reset button. If they had said, "yes, this happened, and it was terrible," they would have had 4 or 5 episodes where Voyager was being "fixed" with engineer extras in the background, scaffolding, stories about trading for things, etc., and then, suddenly, Voyager would be the same ship it always was. I mean, it only took them one episode in DS9 to completely ignore the psychological trauma that O'Brien had gone through in Hard Time, which drove him to the brink of suicide.
Don't forget Geordi's brainwashing by Klingons or Picard's by the Cardassians.
I was actually pleasantly surprised when they made Picard deal with being assimilated. That's one of my favorite episodes.
I was actually pleasantly surprised when they made Picard deal with being assimilated. That's one of my favorite episodes.
Plus, Earth.
And Worf's parents.
So far season 4 is better than the first three, but I'm a bit fed up with Chakotay. It's like he's there only to come up with ideas Janeway will never agree with, and to go through with them whenever he gets the chance.
I just got done watching the season 7 finale of Voyager and it was disappointing, that final shot might be sufficient to end a stand alone episode, but not a two-parter and certainly not the entire series. Overall though I still liked the show, I have a hard time seeing why people hate it. There are some bad episodes, but a lot of good ones as well. Season 5 was probably the highlight for me, followed by season 4. The thing I liked the least as the series went on was how Tuvok got marginalized, he was one of the best characters but got way less screentime than goofs like Kim and Paris.
It's true that there never was any character development for most of the crew and they never got away from the "alien of the week", but as the show went on I think they came up with better aliens on average. The recurring ones improved as well, I'll take the Hirogen over the Kazon or Vidiian any day.
edit: oh, also, I noticed the actor who plays Zaeed in Mass Effect shows up for on episode, that makes two ME appearances :d
Honestly, I've not liked the endings of any Star Trek series overmuch. DS9 was probably the best of the lot but that's not exactly saying much. It might be because so many of them deal with time travel. Or, in the case of Enterprise, utter stupidity.
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