The Federal Prop. 8 Trial / Gay Marriage Catch-All

Dear God. The ex-gay people (who are left) are just truly horrible human beings.

As I noted ealier, July was supposed to be "Ex-Gay Awareness Month," but the various groups behind it, decided to cancel it making the claim that they were being threatened and had to cancel for their own safety. They can't prove that, of course, and no one has seen a police report to that effect, but they canceled it anyway.

So, at the end of "Ex-Gay Awareness Month," the vile people over at Parents and Friends of Ex-Gays and Gays (PFOX) posted this little lovely piece on their website:

Coming out of the closet as ex-gay or an ex-gay supporter will affect others because everyone has a family. But the alternative is worse – to stay in the closet and hide your light under a basket; to refuse to be the salt of this earth to others who are struggling in secret and think they're the only ones who have this problem; to leave our comfort zone and take up the cross (coming out can be a sacrifice, no doubt about it); to have the courage to speak the truth even though we tremble. No one said it was going to be easy, but the alternative is worse because silence is death. How many gay men would still be alive today if someone had told them that there was a way out of homosexuality? AIDS and suicide took them away from us. It is up to each and every one of us to educate ourselves, our families, our politicians, our community, and our churches on the ex-gay issue. The more we talk about it the less shocked they and society will become, and healing will finally take place.

Yeah. If only gay people had gone through the horrors of reparative therapy, then they wouldn't have gotten AIDS or committed suicide, because, as we all know, only gay people get AIDS and commit suicide, right?

How cold does your soul have to be to actually write something like that? The people at PFOX don't even see that their world vision of "ex-gay" is what drives gay people to suicide because they are made to feel as though wanting to love someone of the same gender is wrong, evil, or unacceptable. As for AIDS, good grief. It's a syndrome caused by a virus that doesn't care if you are gay or straight or black or white or male or female or etc. To toss that in there as though being heterosexual is a shield against the HIV virus is so ethically and morally dubious, these people should be completely ashamed of themselves.

Fat chance.

To tie into that, Sandy Rios from the American Family Radio network spoke with the organizer of the ex-gay pride event at the Capitol today and presumed that "thousands of ex-gays" would come to the event.

In reality, you could count all of the attendees on two hands with fingers left over.

Rubb Ed wrote:

In reality, you could count all of the attendees on two hands with fingers left over.

What on earth are Ex-Gay Equal Rights?

Aside from their general ignorance and hate, their attempt to hijack the symbology and struggles of closeted homosexuals bothers me in ways I can not properly articulate at the moment.

krev82 wrote:

Aside from their general ignorance and hate, their attempt to hijack the symbology and struggles of closeted homosexuals bothers me in ways I can not properly articulate at the moment.

The word anger as screamed by a million hulks with microphones doesn't quite do it justice.

Hypatian wrote:
Amoebic wrote:

...I would read the sh*t outta that. But then again, I am a huge fan of http://wtfbadromancecovers.tumblr.com/.

Even though Scalia [em]is[/em] a noted writer of fantasy, I think his writing style might be a little too dried up to really do justice to the subject matter.

A noted author of fantasy? I'm confused, are we talking about his opinions for the court?

krev82 wrote:

Aside from their general ignorance and hate, their attempt to hijack the symbology and struggles of closeted homosexuals bothers me in ways I can not properly articulate at the moment.

It's just frustrating, because there's no way not to see it as mocking and insulting. It's an attempt to somehow "one up" and trivialize the experience of growing up scared of your sexuality. It effectively states, "you thought you had it bad, but these are the real victims!" Additionally, it's a thinly veiled insult: if you don't accept and recognize the trials of the ex-gay, you don't truly sympathize with closeted folks. It's just another step in trying to be super clever and turn the whole paradigm on its head - the real victims are the ones who don't conform to these marching boots of "progress". Just like how there's a surge in people trying to argue that "real" tolerance is smiling silently when people proclaim gays are going to burn in hell or people try to deny them basic human rights. It's disgusting.

Phoenix Rev wrote:

Dear God. The ex-gay people (who are left) are just truly horrible human beings.

As I noted ealier, July was supposed to be "Ex-Gay Awareness Month," but the various groups behind it, decided to cancel it making the claim that they were being threatened and had to cancel for their own safety. They can't prove that, of course, and no one has seen a police report to that effect, but they canceled it anyway.

So, at the end of "Ex-Gay Awareness Month," the vile people over at Parents and Friends of Ex-Gays and Gays (PFOX) posted this little lovely piece on their website:

How many gay men would still be alive today if someone had told them that there was a way out of homosexuality? AIDS and suicide took them away from us.

Yeah. If only gay people had gone through the horrors of reparative therapy, then they wouldn't have gotten AIDS or committed suicide, because, as we all know, only gay people get AIDS and commit suicide, right?

By my reading, they might be claiming that AIDS is a disease that you get when you refuse to change orientation from gay to straight.

mudbunny wrote:

By my reading, they might be claiming that AIDS is a disease that you get when you refuse to change orientation from gay to straight.

Classy.

Demosthenes wrote:

A noted author of fantasy? I'm confused, are we talking about his opinions for the court?

Sorry, I guess I should have prefixed that with the Unicode character for RIGHTWARD FACING SARCASM MARK.

Demosthenes wrote:
Hypatian wrote:
Amoebic wrote:

...I would read the sh*t outta that. But then again, I am a huge fan of http://wtfbadromancecovers.tumblr.com/.

Even though Scalia [em]is[/em] a noted writer of fantasy, I think his writing style might be a little too dried up to really do justice to the subject matter.

A noted author of fantasy? I'm confused, are we talking about his opinions for the court?

He often uses Webster's dictionary which hurts my teeth.

CONGRATULATIONS RHODE ISLAND!!!!!

It is now August 1st in the Great State of RHODE ISLAND and gay marriages can now commence!

In just one hour, Minnesota will join RI!

A long, tough battle, but marriage equality has come to two very fine states.

Well done, Rhode Island and Minnesota. Well done indeed!

Disappointing turnout for "Ex-Gay Pride" rally in DC.

In other news: Public transport in Sweden flies the Swedish flag on days of national celebration. It's pride week this week:

IMAGE(http://i.imgur.com/jxy3ExG.jpg)

The Pope doesn't want to judge (supposedly), but the rest of his church still doesn't seem to care what he has to say.

I can't help but be amused that the last time I spoke to my dad a couple days ago, he was all like, "Hey did you see what the pope said on the plane?" When I replied, yes, but they still have a long way to go, he said, "Well, not too far." Yes, dad, quite a ways.

NSMike wrote:

The Pope doesn't want to judge (supposedly), but the rest of his church still doesn't seem to care what he has to say.

I can't help but be amused that the last time I spoke to my dad a couple days ago, he was all like, "Hey did you see what the pope said on the plane?" When I replied, yes, but they still have a long way to go, he said, "Well, not too far." Yes, dad, quite a ways.

Sigh. I wonder if the Onion knew exactly how accurate their article would actually become.

To be fair, many Catholics have been largely ignoring what the Pope (whomever he was) has been saying for decades on things like stewardship, peace, sex, and birth control, yet still insist they're Catholic. So this is pretty well par for the course.

Bloo Driver wrote:

To be fair, many Catholics have been largely ignoring what the Pope (whomever he was) has been saying for decades on things like stewardship, peace, sex, and birth control, yet still insist they're Catholic. So this is pretty well par for the course.

So... they... ignore Papal Infallibility and the authority of the Pope... wasn't that kind of the whole point of that little question brought up by the Protestants?

I'm not saying it makes sense. Just that it's consistent.

Demosthenes wrote:
Bloo Driver wrote:

To be fair, many Catholics have been largely ignoring what the Pope (whomever he was) has been saying for decades on things like stewardship, peace, sex, and birth control, yet still insist they're Catholic. So this is pretty well par for the course.

So... they... ignore Papal Infallibility and the authority of the Pope... wasn't that kind of the whole point of that little question brought up by the Protestants?

Wikipedia[/url]]The Catholic Church does not teach that the pope is infallible in everything he says; official invocation of papal infallibility is - apart from canonizations of saints - extremely rare.

Quintin_Stone wrote:
Demosthenes wrote:
Bloo Driver wrote:

To be fair, many Catholics have been largely ignoring what the Pope (whomever he was) has been saying for decades on things like stewardship, peace, sex, and birth control, yet still insist they're Catholic. So this is pretty well par for the course.

So... they... ignore Papal Infallibility and the authority of the Pope... wasn't that kind of the whole point of that little question brought up by the Protestants?

Wikipedia[/url]]The Catholic Church does not teach that the pope is infallible in everything he says; official invocation of papal infallibility is - apart from canonizations of saints - extremely rare.

So it's like how I voted for Obama, but don't agree with everything he says?

That seems like a weird opinion to have towards the Earthly leader of your religion.

That also makes me sad, because it means JPII talking about how the theory of evolution should be treated as scientific fact basically means nothing for a whole bunch of unscientific catholics. Bleh.

We accept that the Pope and priests are human - even sinful humans, just like everybody else. Only God is good, as Christ says. I have would have no compunctions telling JP2 if he were still alive that he was talking out of his ass if he asks me to reclassify a scientific theory as a scientific fact. He's a theologian, not a scientist. Stick to theology, man.

cue 3 page disagreement on the word "theory" in 3....2.....

Seth wrote:

cue 3 page disagreement on the word "theory" in 3....2.....

Let's don't and say we did. It'll be our little secret.

ClockworkHouse wrote:
Seth wrote:

cue 3 page disagreement on the word "theory" in 3....2.....

Let's don't and say we did. It'll be our little secret.

Yeah, ditto what she said.

ClockworkHouse wrote:
Seth wrote:

cue 3 page disagreement on the word "theory" in 3....2.....

Let's don't and say we did. It'll be our little secret.

I'm actually sorry I even uttered JPII in this thread. Guy was a tool on the subject of this thread.

This thread makes me smile seeing the little victories and battles occurring regarding our rights in the greater US and world. Thanks to everyone for posting them so I can see our rights marching on.

Living in Kansas it feels like a world so far removed from daily life. Sadly; I don't foresee things changing here any time soon and federal rights like Social Security, Visa rights, or taxes are based on the state you live. So, on the day of the ruling in the Supreme Court nothing changed for me and all the others living in the other 37 states that outlaw same-sex marriage.

Someday we'll all have equal rights in this nation. I'd feel lucky if it changed in the next decade or two in the truly entrenched conservative areas of our nation like my home state. I refuse to move from here because I love Kansas and the people that live here. I have faith that they do respect me as a person and it's a vocal minority that stands against our rights. I just hope things change sooner than I expect because it's painful to see what my partner and I could have if we lived somewhere else.

I went online and became an ordained minister a little over a month ago and will be officiating my first wedding on 31 August for one of my wife's coworkers and friend of both of us. It's also a gay wedding, so I figured that I'd post in here. Go Maryland!