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No, it's not just Verizon, since the Sprint LTE doesn't have 4.3 listed on the source page either. :p

pneuman wrote:
Edwin wrote:
Stele wrote:

So annoying to see the update available for my phone but only the GSM version and not LTE. Wonder how long Verizon will screw around to give it to us OTA? :?

That's why having Verizon blows. You're at the mercy of the carriers unlike GSM.

FTFY -- the problem's with Verizon's control of its CDMA network, rather than having anything to do with LTE in general. Speaking of which, I wonder how the new Nexus 7 works, since it claims to offer LTE on Verizon (and other carriers).

LTE is separate from CDMA. So it's really just making sure you have the right frequencies supported at that point.

I wonder how updates for the LTE Nexus 7 will be handled. It's one of the first devices that's only LTE, with support for the major American networks, no?

General Crespin wrote:

I wonder how updates for the LTE Nexus 7 will be handled. It's one of the first devices that's only LTE, with support for the major American networks, no?

It sounds like they just support certain bands (AT&T & Verizon), then you'd have your SIM. I suspect that shouldn't be too difficult for them to do now.

MannishBoy wrote:
pneuman wrote:
Edwin wrote:
Stele wrote:

So annoying to see the update available for my phone but only the GSM version and not LTE. Wonder how long Verizon will screw around to give it to us OTA? :?

That's why having Verizon blows. You're at the mercy of the carriers unlike GSM.

FTFY -- the problem's with Verizon's control of its CDMA network, rather than having anything to do with LTE in general. Speaking of which, I wonder how the new Nexus 7 works, since it claims to offer LTE on Verizon (and other carriers).

LTE is separate from CDMA. So it's really just making sure you have the right frequencies supported at that point.

LTE devices on Verizon use the CDMA network for voice, and for data outside of LTE areas; when the Nexus 4 was released, Andy Rubin said that this was the main reason it lacked LTE, since it was unable to offer an unlocked LTE device that could run on Verizon's network:

http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/29/3...

A potential answer to my question above about the Nexus 7 is that since it (presumably) doesn't have voice, perhaps it can connect to Verizon's LTE network without needing to connect to its CDMA network as well. That would suck if you needed data anywhere that didn't have LTE coverage, though.

Pretty much everywhere else in the world, LTE is used in conjunction with GSM for voice; the same goes for AT&T and T-Mobile's LTE networks in the US. Hopefully those markets are considered large enough now that Google will see fit to support LTE on those with its next Nexus phone, even if it still can't offer an unlocked phone that'll run on Verizon.

pneuman wrote:

LTE devices on Verizon use the CDMA network for voice, and for data outside of LTE areas; when the Nexus 4 was released, Andy Rubin said that this was the main reason it lacked LTE, since it was unable to offer an unlocked LTE device that could run on Verizon's network:

http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/29/3...

I know that.

A potential answer to my question above about the Nexus 7 is that since it (presumably) doesn't have voice, perhaps it can connect to Verizon's LTE network without needing to connect to its CDMA network as well. That would suck if you needed data anywhere that didn't have LTE coverage, though.

These are LTE only for Verizon. You're not going to fall back to 3G data. That's not supported on these.

MannishBoy wrote:
pneuman wrote:

LTE devices on Verizon use the CDMA network for voice, and for data outside of LTE areas; when the Nexus 4 was released, Andy Rubin said that this was the main reason it lacked LTE, since it was unable to offer an unlocked LTE device that could run on Verizon's network:

http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/29/3...

I know that.

Sorry, it wasn't immediately clear to me that your comment was in regards to my comments about the Nexus 7 specifically, and not comments about Verizon LTE in general.

MannishBoy wrote:
A potential answer to my question above about the Nexus 7 is that since it (presumably) doesn't have voice, perhaps it can connect to Verizon's LTE network without needing to connect to its CDMA network as well. That would suck if you needed data anywhere that didn't have LTE coverage, though.

These are LTE only for Verizon. You're not going to fall back to 3G data. That's not supported on these.

Ah, that explains that, then! It's good to see (from the ASUS spec sheet) that it does support HSPA+, too, for those not on Verizon, though not with the same range of frequencies that the Nexus 4 or Galaxy Nexus support.

So I didn't see a thread dedicated specifically to Nexus 7 tablets, so I figured I'd post my question here. I have noticed, and read about, the lag that begins to occur with Nexus 7 NAND memory after a while. It appears that a Linux function "fstrim" is supposed to fix this problem. But the only app that can achieve that on the market requires rooting the device. I would prefer to avoid this. Has anyone dealt with this issue before? If so, any help would be appreciated.

Anyone else experiencing wonkiness with the new Google Maps/Navigation? I don't know if it is the new app or if it is my phone. Went on a 3 hour trip this weekend and it seemed to have a hard time following my phone's GPS signal. It would often display us on different streets or in the middle of non-road land. Though we were in the Poconos, so signal strength may have been a contributing factor. My Galaxy Nexus is 2-3 years old now and I've seem some indications that I might need a new phone. I'm wondering if this is part of that or if the new Maps app is screwed up.

Nevin73 wrote:

Anyone else experiencing wonkiness with the new Google Maps/Navigation? I don't know if it is the new app or if it is my phone. Went on a 3 hour trip this weekend and it seemed to have a hard time following my phone's GPS signal. It would often display us on different streets or in the middle of non-road land. Though we were in the Poconos, so signal strength may have been a contributing factor. My Galaxy Nexus is 2-3 years old now and I've seem some indications that I might need a new phone. I'm wondering if this is part of that or if the new Maps app is screwed up.

I've had some crashes on my S4 since the update, which is very unusual. Nothing wrong with my GPS tracking, though. At least not yet.

Nevin73 wrote:

Anyone else experiencing wonkiness with the new Google Maps/Navigation? I don't know if it is the new app or if it is my phone. Went on a 3 hour trip this weekend and it seemed to have a hard time following my phone's GPS signal. It would often display us on different streets or in the middle of non-road land. Though we were in the Poconos, so signal strength may have been a contributing factor. My Galaxy Nexus is 2-3 years old now and I've seem some indications that I might need a new phone. I'm wondering if this is part of that or if the new Maps app is screwed up.

GPS needs a clear view of the sky to work properly. The signal is very weak, and doesn't travel through materials easily. Even a metal car roof is enough to block it. (Heck, I've been in thick forests where the trees/leaves blocked it for a Garmin handheld, which has a much more sensitive receiver than a phone.)

Maps uses a combination of GPS, wifi, and cell tower signals to pin down your location. If you're in a car in the mountains and aren't up high where a lot of the sky is in view of your phone (presumably under/near the windshield where it can 'see'), that's a worst-case scenario for the algorithm it uses. It's going to be a lot less accurate there.

I just have to say that, now that I've finally gotten everything setup how I like it (mostly), I'm really quite happy with my Nexus 4 coming from Windows Phone. I'm still figuring out all the bells and whistles, but I like it overall. I'm still looking for an automated picture backup solution for SkyDrive, but I'm sure I'll find something.

i believe the update to 4.3 is supposed to fix this:

http://androidcommunity.com/nexus-7-...

maverickz wrote:

So I didn't see a thread dedicated specifically to Nexus 7 tablets, so I figured I'd post my question here. I have noticed, and read about, the lag that begins to occur with Nexus 7 NAND memory after a while. It appears that a Linux function "fstrim" is supposed to fix this problem. But the only app that can achieve that on the market requires rooting the device. I would prefer to avoid this. Has anyone dealt with this issue before? If so, any help would be appreciated.

ClockworkHouse wrote:

I'm still looking for an automated picture backup solution for SkyDrive, but I'm sure I'll find something.

Have you tried Google Drive or even Google+?

EverythingsTentative wrote:
ClockworkHouse wrote:

I'm still looking for an automated picture backup solution for SkyDrive, but I'm sure I'll find something.

Have you tried Google Drive or even Google+?

He said he didn't want to use those.

I can understand it if you already have momentum with all your pictures being one place.

That said, I like the backup to G+ option (and I also use Skydrive on all my archived pics).

My Dropbox Android backup works great. As does Google Plus/Drive.

My Nexus 10 just got the 4.3 patch today. Nothing out of the ordinary except Firefox is acting strange. Crashing and scrolling strangely.

Kestrel wrote:

i believe the update to 4.3 is supposed to fix this:

http://androidcommunity.com/nexus-7-...

maverickz wrote:

So I didn't see a thread dedicated specifically to Nexus 7 tablets, so I figured I'd post my question here. I have noticed, and read about, the lag that begins to occur with Nexus 7 NAND memory after a while. It appears that a Linux function "fstrim" is supposed to fix this problem. But the only app that can achieve that on the market requires rooting the device. I would prefer to avoid this. Has anyone dealt with this issue before? If so, any help would be appreciated.

That's how I heard about this issue, from the TWiT podcast. But I didn't realize that 4.3 would also be coming to the older Nexus 7 devices. That's good news. The update isn't updating though, that's bad news. But I have a donut with sprinkles. That's good news. But the sprinkles are cursed. That's bad news.

Anyone get the 4.3 update on Nexus 7's yet?

cheesycrouton wrote:

Anyone get the 4.3 update on Nexus 7's yet?

I've sideloaded it on mine through ADB. It's working fine. Here's a decent guide. Note that you need a PC, and you can safely ignore the "...and root it." portion.

I haven't heard anyone who has received it via OTA yet. Sideloading is a good alternative though since it performs the update in the exact same way, only via the USB cable from a PC. Just as with an OTA update everything else on your Nexus 7 will remain as it is.

maverickz wrote:
Kestrel wrote:

i believe the update to 4.3 is supposed to fix this:

http://androidcommunity.com/nexus-7-...

maverickz wrote:

So I didn't see a thread dedicated specifically to Nexus 7 tablets, so I figured I'd post my question here. I have noticed, and read about, the lag that begins to occur with Nexus 7 NAND memory after a while. It appears that a Linux function "fstrim" is supposed to fix this problem. But the only app that can achieve that on the market requires rooting the device. I would prefer to avoid this. Has anyone dealt with this issue before? If so, any help would be appreciated.

That's how I heard about this issue, from the TWiT podcast. But I didn't realize that 4.3 would also be coming to the older Nexus 7 devices. That's good news. The update isn't updating though, that's bad news. But I have a donut with sprinkles. That's good news. But the sprinkles are cursed. That's bad news.

I was whining about slowdown on my Nexus 7 as it filled up compared to my iPhone 4S way back in this thread. I'm glad that they finally got around to fixing this issue.

LouZiffer wrote:
cheesycrouton wrote:

Anyone get the 4.3 update on Nexus 7's yet?

I've sideloaded it on mine through ADB. It's working fine. Here's a decent guide. Note that you need a PC, and you can safely ignore the "...and root it." portion.

I haven't heard anyone who has received it via OTA yet. Sideloading is a good alternative though since it performs the update in the exact same way, only via the USB cable from a PC. Just as with an OTA update everything else on your Nexus 7 will remain as it is.

No need to side load. This trick worked for me after doing it twice on my first gen N7.

I sideloaded the 4.3 update on my Galaxy Nexus the other day, and it's been a night-and-day change -- 4.2 was feeling very sluggish, but 4.3 is slick and fast, much like I remember 4.1 being back when my phone was much newer. I don't know if it's because of fstrim or something else, but it feels like my phone got a free hardware upgrade.

cheesycrouton wrote:

Anyone get the 4.3 update on Nexus 7's yet?

I got the notice this morning. I'm rooted so I can run Titanium Backup, so I need to do some reading to make sure I do it right.

I'll probably update today.

EvilDead wrote:
LouZiffer wrote:
cheesycrouton wrote:

Anyone get the 4.3 update on Nexus 7's yet?

I've sideloaded it on mine through ADB. It's working fine. Here's a decent guide. Note that you need a PC, and you can safely ignore the "...and root it." portion.

I haven't heard anyone who has received it via OTA yet. Sideloading is a good alternative though since it performs the update in the exact same way, only via the USB cable from a PC. Just as with an OTA update everything else on your Nexus 7 will remain as it is.

No need to side load. This trick worked for me after doing it twice on my first gen N7.

Worked like a charm! Thank you!

cheesycrouton wrote:

Anyone get the 4.3 update on Nexus 7's yet?

Mine came through last night on both the Nexus 4 and 7. I haven't noticed any obvious huge changes, but the 4 seemed to hang during the initial restart at the Nexus logo.

EvilDead wrote:
LouZiffer wrote:
cheesycrouton wrote:

Anyone get the 4.3 update on Nexus 7's yet?

I've sideloaded it on mine through ADB. It's working fine. Here's a decent guide. Note that you need a PC, and you can safely ignore the "...and root it." portion.

I haven't heard anyone who has received it via OTA yet. Sideloading is a good alternative though since it performs the update in the exact same way, only via the USB cable from a PC. Just as with an OTA update everything else on your Nexus 7 will remain as it is.

No need to side load. This trick worked for me after doing it twice on my first gen N7.

FYI - If there is no update available yet, deleting the data from Google services can have some interesting side effects, such as being unable to install apps from Google Play until you remove your Google account from the device and re-add it. Glad to hear the OTA update is available now, though! It wasn't on Friday when I sideloaded mine.

I know I said I would be getting my wife the Nexus 10, but I didn't. No worries though. I got her the Samsung Note 10.1. She said she didn't want a tablet if she couldn't play with it first, and I liked the idea of only having to pull out the memory card in her Xoom and putting it into a new tablet.

So far the tablet is great. The audio kinda blew my mind. It has two large speakers on the front of it, and they are fantastic. The best audio I've heard from any tablet. Everything else functions just like I would expect it to, if not better. I haven't tried pushing it to hard, but Cook, Serve, Delicious works great on it. I know it will be behind on updates, but I guess that's the price I pay for an SD slot. Plus, if I really want to be up-to-date I can just root.

Anyone else have a Note tablet?

MannishBoy wrote:
cheesycrouton wrote:

Anyone get the 4.3 update on Nexus 7's yet?

I got the notice this morning. I'm rooted so I can run Titanium Backup, so I need to do some reading to make sure I do it right.

I'll probably update today.

Ran the OTA update. Worked fine, even with TWRP recovery installed. Lost root, but it looks like I just need to reflash SuperSU. Problem is that the old version of TWRP I was running might not allow it with 4.3, so I need to update TWRP first. Will do that later.

I finally installed 4.3 and can't tell a difference.

ClockworkHouse wrote:

I finally installed 4.3 and can't tell a difference. :)

The visible changes are small to negligible. The stuff that seems interesting are the Bluetooth updates, notification functionality improvements, etc. And on tablets, the multiple user stuff has been enhanced so you can set up restrictions for users like kids.

I think Google's made an effort to pull a lot of the stuff that used to be in these system level releases out, and have moved them into their Apps, so everybody can get the changes early. It's a way around the lag for system updates that has always plagued Android.