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Koz wrote:
Dyni wrote:

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She's like a WoW ice mage, skill for skill. Focus on mobility, mana efficiency and CC over heavy burst. Sounds like my kind of AP champ.

I think she'll end up primarily as a support with mid potential, much like Zyra.

I wonder what the range on her E is. It sounds like it might be similar to Puck's orb thing from DOTA.

I was thinking the same thing in regards to both the Zyra comparison and Puck's orb. That was always one of my favorite abilities in DotA, so I hope it is functionally similar.

So I was fiddling with Mundo last night, and came off with an interesting combo. I started with Machete and not cloth armor. I went with flat AD marks, not magic pen. I rushed wriggles, and then sorc boots. I went back to scaling Health Regen Quints because Warmogs got nerfed a bit. My Clear times were unreal. Get Agony to level 2 fast, then focus on the cleaver.

Warmogs was buy 2. Then I went a bit crazy, and bought Zephyr to get to the 50% tenacity. Then Abyssal Scepter, then Rylia's.

That tank tree really beefs up champions. I had 3800 health, 125 armor, 125 MR, Zephyr and then a Furor boot enchant made up for the lack of Swiftness Boots. The LS on the lantern, combined with Masochism/Zephyr was healing me more than Spirit Visage did even before the Warmogs nerf. But the tank tree, made it so that Lantern and Abyssal were the only armor and MR items I needed. Runes and the beefiness of the tank tree did the brunt of the work.

Crazy thought popped into my head this morning. Hextec Gunblade or Guinsoo's on Mundo. Spell Vamp on a level 5 cleaver is pretty nutty when I have messed around with it because it has the existing health return.

So I need a Cassi player. I want to play the "boots on heads" bottom lane with Nami and a Cassi. But it has to be purple side, to steal the blue. And then we need an ADC that wants to mid or top solo.

But think about it...A bubble means free Q/W poison hits, then a speed up from a Nami E means free Cassi E's as they run away. At level 6, Cassi ult, to a free bubble, to a nami ult is a ton of CC while you are sitting in poison.

And no feet, cause screw feet.

carrotpanic wrote:

Yeah but you haven't seen her Hooters promotional skin.

I heart you carrot.

Frate: I hear what you are saying! I really dislike when teams respond correctly as soon as my support buddy and I start dominating the bot lane. Get like, one double kill and a 30 cs lead and suddenly you got other people's mids and jungles all up in your face. Can't that enemy mid just farm and complain about how their bot sucks in all chat like the good old days?

(In other news, if your bot lane needs help, flood the mess out of it, dive them, kill them, and then take dragon. I've heard that's a good strategy.)

Squee9 wrote:

Frate: I hear what you are saying! I really dislike when teams respond correctly as soon as my support buddy and I start dominating the bot lane. Get like, one double kill and a 30 cs lead and suddenly you got other people's mids and jungles all up in your face. Can't that enemy mid just farm and complain about how their bot sucks in all chat like the good old days?

(In other news, if your bot lane needs help, flood the mess out of it, dive them, kill them, and then take dragon. I've heard that's a good strategy.)

You, you are one of those people I don't like. Just leave me alone to keep dunking on bot lane. We're doing fine. We don't need a 4 man dive. That would only help your ad. Why would you want to do that? Go top or something. I heard our top lane called you a bad name. Go dive him instead.

I finally hit level 30. Won the first lvl 30 game even though there were some very angry players. Ah well. Let me know when you want to play a game. I might be around Monday and Wednesday nights, depending on hotel internet speeds. Damn consulting job.

IntangibleFate wrote:

So I need a Cassi player. I want to play the "boots on heads" bottom lane with Nami and a Cassi. But it has to be purple side, to steal the blue. And then we need an ADC that wants to mid or top solo.

But think about it...A bubble means free Q/W poison hits, then a speed up from a Nami E means free Cassi E's as they run away. At level 6, Cassi ult, to a free bubble, to a nami ult is a ton of CC while you are sitting in poison.

And no feet, cause screw feet.

I'll be your mid ADC. Let's do this thing.

KingGorilla wrote:

Crazy thought popped into my head this morning. Hextec Gunblade or Guinsoo's on Mundo. Spell Vamp on a level 5 cleaver is pretty nutty when I have messed around with it because it has the existing health return.

I never see anyone building these items in pro play, and it saddens me. I love champs that can do well with hybrid items. Why have hybrid items fallen out of favor? Do you guys see anyone building any of them in ranked matches (apart from Lich Bane, which I'm sure still gets some love)?

In a way, I wish there were a reasonable and interesting way to do some dynamic market tweaking, so that items that aren't being bought often have their gold price automatically decreased, and vice versa. If you could set some appropriate hard limits and rates of change, it would add a supply-and-demand aspect to the meta that would add another level of strategy. Or do you think it would just be an aggravation?

All akali's build hextec first item. Some katarinas go hextec first item too, though she's seen much less often.

I think it works best on spell casters who scale off both damage types so it really limits the viability. I could see a mid lane eve going it, the problem (which kat runs into as well) is DFG is really good too.

Guinsoo's had its hay day in season 3 for bit but got nerfed big time when people realized how cost efficient it was. I expect it'll get buffed a bit sometime soon to be between where it was and is now.

Octacon100 wrote:

I finally hit level 30. Won the first lvl 30 game even though there were some very angry players. Ah well. Let me know when you want to play a game. I might be around Monday and Wednesday nights, depending on hotel internet speeds. Damn consulting job.

Grats! Who (and where) are your mains at this point?

@Frate, I've played against a Cassi support before. Even without hard CC to help her apply combos it was still really difficult to play against for the first 8 levels. In that instance she eventually she became worthless because she wasn't taking farm, but the idea of putting her bot lane has real promise. Maybe you can convince Crinkle to try it out with you? I'm not scared playing AS solo mid either.

Cyranix wrote:

In a way, I wish there were a reasonable and interesting way to do some dynamic market tweaking, so that items that aren't being bought often have their gold price automatically decreased, and vice versa. If you could set some appropriate hard limits and rates of change, it would add a supply-and-demand aspect to the meta that would add another level of strategy. Or do you think it would just be an aggravation?

While I think that would be an intriguing way to handle a MOBA game, or an RTS (market dynamics on the costs for units), I do not think the player base could stomach such things. The game largely, season by season, patch by patch, is to find the best combination of character, Runes, and Items. There are some MMOs that have done this, beyond the most basic weaponry, you used crafting and the open market to kit out your players. Eve Online works a lot like what you are saying.

psoplayer wrote:
Octacon100 wrote:

I finally hit level 30. Won the first lvl 30 game even though there were some very angry players. Ah well. Let me know when you want to play a game. I might be around Monday and Wednesday nights, depending on hotel internet speeds. Damn consulting job.

Grats! Who (and where) are your mains at this point?

@Frate, I've played against a Cassi support before. Even without hard CC to help her apply combos it was still really difficult to play against for the first 8 levels. In that instance she eventually she became worthless because she wasn't taking farm, but the idea of putting her bot lane has real promise. Maybe you can convince Crinkle to try it out with you? I'm not scared playing AS solo mid either.

I think it could be an evil lane. I just think you'd have to take Cait or ban her. I think she is one of the better solo adc's cause of her range, but I could see an EZ do well and frustrate alot of mids. I would be more worried about them having an all in support pre-6. I think a leona could potentially cc her to death. But I think you could poke a leona to the point where she wouldn't want to go all in at all. And in a non sustain support lane you could do the same, or the sustain lane would go OOM real quick. I'm just not sure how she would do with the longer lane and not wanting to push and dealing with ganks. I assume if you can get ahead early it wouldn't be an issue, and with good warding.

Crinkle has run Cassi bot a few times to varying degrees of success. It worked best with a Taric, for guaranteed stuns, and Soraka, for mana battery and heals. Cassi doesn't really need a speed buff to stay on targets because of her Q.

You really need to be purple side or lane swap on blue side so she has access to blue buff.

Nights wrote:
Squee9 wrote:

Frate: I hear what you are saying! I really dislike when teams respond correctly as soon as my support buddy and I start dominating the bot lane. Get like, one double kill and a 30 cs lead and suddenly you got other people's mids and jungles all up in your face. Can't that enemy mid just farm and complain about how their bot sucks in all chat like the good old days?

(In other news, if your bot lane needs help, flood the mess out of it, dive them, kill them, and then take dragon. I've heard that's a good strategy.)

You, you are one of those people I don't like. Just leave me alone to keep dunking on bot lane. We're doing fine. We don't need a 4 man dive. That would only help your ad. Why would you want to do that? Go top or something. I heard our top lane called you a bad name. Go dive him instead.

Just to clarify for people who don't understand the goofs between us. Ganking bot 4v2 is GOOD, especially if your AD carry is behind, and especially in pub games where it's unlikely their mid and jungler will both be coming to help. Going hard against bot puts your carry back on track for farming, and usually with four people you can take the turret or dragon. It's easiest when you have a competent TF in mid who can just ult down bot to go ham on some kids (props to Crinkle), but it works with any champ.

The downside is their mid gets some alone time, and if they're a good pusher you can lose a turret, but hopefully you get at least 2 kills, and maybe an objective as well.

Squee9 wrote:
Nights wrote:
Squee9 wrote:

Frate: I hear what you are saying! I really dislike when teams respond correctly as soon as my support buddy and I start dominating the bot lane. Get like, one double kill and a 30 cs lead and suddenly you got other people's mids and jungles all up in your face. Can't that enemy mid just farm and complain about how their bot sucks in all chat like the good old days?

(In other news, if your bot lane needs help, flood the mess out of it, dive them, kill them, and then take dragon. I've heard that's a good strategy.)

You, you are one of those people I don't like. Just leave me alone to keep dunking on bot lane. We're doing fine. We don't need a 4 man dive. That would only help your ad. Why would you want to do that? Go top or something. I heard our top lane called you a bad name. Go dive him instead.

Just to clarify for people who don't understand the goofs between us. Ganking bot 4v2 is GOOD, especially if your AD carry is behind, and especially in pub games where it's unlikely their mid and jungler will both be coming to help. Going hard against bot puts your carry back on track for farming, and usually with four people you can take the turret or dragon. It's easiest when you have a competent TF in mid who can just ult down bot to go ham on some kids (props to Crinkle), but it works with any champ.

The downside is their mid gets some alone time, and if they're a good pusher you can lose a turret, but hopefully you get at least 2 kills, and maybe an objective as well.

And of note me and raven enjoy playing mean bot lanes like thresh taric that just eat people alive. Last time we did it top lane gailio came down every time teleport was up normally with their jungler close by or mid.

psoplayer wrote:
Octacon100 wrote:

I finally hit level 30. Won the first lvl 30 game even though there were some very angry players. Ah well. Let me know when you want to play a game. I might be around Monday and Wednesday nights, depending on hotel internet speeds. Damn consulting job.

Grats! Who (and where) are your mains at this point?

@Frate, I've played against a Cassi support before. Even without hard CC to help her apply combos it was still really difficult to play against for the first 8 levels. In that instance she eventually she became worthless because she wasn't taking farm, but the idea of putting her bot lane has real promise. Maybe you can convince Crinkle to try it out with you? I'm not scared playing AS solo mid either.

Thanks! I'm trying to learn characters in all lanes so I can go most places in games, but Cho on Top is probably my most comfortable character. I land almost all ruptures and I don't die.

Other Chars:
Support: Sona or Nunu.
Mid: Annie or Cho
ADC: Cait or Tristana
Jungle: Gah, I'm pretty bad at this, but I can do Cho or Tryn
Top: Mostly Cho, tried Garen.

Also, Raven, I'm offended that you would think I've ever been on anything other than the receiving end of a 4v2 bot lane dive in an effort to kill the AD carry that's rocketing ahead.

Squee9 wrote:

I really dislike when teams respond correctly as soon as my support buddy and I start dominating the bot lane. Get like, one double kill and a 30 cs lead and suddenly you got other people's mids and jungles all up in your face.

I'll take this as you guys backing me up. I was repeatedly on the receiving end of this last night after carrot got me a kill with each of his first two rammus ganks bot. He just called it "blaming the jungler" when (after the eventual loss) I called him out on spending the rest of the game elsewhere while they seiged bot lane with 3-5 for the next 5 minutes.

Squee9 wrote:

Also, Raven, I'm offended that you would think I've ever been on anything other than the receiving end of a 4v2 bot lane dive in an effort to kill the AD carry that's rocketing ahead. :D

I just don't trust you... I know you are really just trying to pull that bruiser into me...

psoplayer wrote:
Squee9 wrote:

I really dislike when teams respond correctly as soon as my support buddy and I start dominating the bot lane. Get like, one double kill and a 30 cs lead and suddenly you got other people's mids and jungles all up in your face.

I'll take this as you guys backing me up. I was repeatedly on the receiving end of this last night after carrot got me a kill with each of his first two rammus ganks bot. He just called it "blaming the jungler" when (after the eventual loss) I called him out on spending the rest of the game elsewhere while they seiged bot lane with 3-5 for the next 5 minutes.

Game by game it's hard to say. If they already have 4 people bot it may be more worthwhile to push top and mid so that you are taking 2 turrets while they are busy trying to dive you bottom. I can only speak in general LoL terms, each game requires more specific tactics based on the team comps and the situation. Don't make me choose a side between two GWJ people!

Also, why do you live in Rockey City? Their mayor isn't as good as ours.

Squee9 wrote:

Game by game it's hard to say. If they already have 4 people bot it may be more worthwhile to push top and mid so that you are taking 2 turrets while they are busy trying to dive you bottom. I can only speak in general LoL terms, each game requires more specific tactics based on the team comps and the situation. Don't make me choose a side between two GWJ people!

Also, why do you live in Rockey City? Their mayor isn't as good as ours.

I understand that there aren't universal rules, but we weren't getting anything out of any of the other lanes while they were pressuring bot. And keep this situation in mind, as you're going to have to side between the two of us, as well as debate the merits of Hook City vs Rocket City in a couple of weeks at MiniPencon.

You're coming to the wrong party, friend, if you think we truck with that 'rocket city' crap at pencon.

oilypenguin wrote:

You're coming to the wrong party, friend, if you think we truck with that 'rocket city' crap at pencon.

QFT

though im too poor to go to minpencon due to pax...hoping for bigpencon though.

Just need to figure out how to kidnap raven. Complex has an evil laugh that will help, but I think we need a better plan than just an evil laugh.

Look man, ram can only ram so hard.

oilypenguin wrote:

You're coming to the wrong party, friend, if you think we truck with that 'rocket city' crap at pencon.

A couple of weeks ago there wouldn't have been buds on the trees and I could have just snapped a picture of the Saturn V rocket out the window for you to argue with. (edit: it's off in the distance from a previous office) I know a castle is cool and all... but really? Do you have something cooler to look at out your window?

psoplayer wrote:
oilypenguin wrote:

You're coming to the wrong party, friend, if you think we truck with that 'rocket city' crap at pencon.

A couple of weeks ago there wouldn't have been buds on the trees and I could have just snapped a picture of the Saturn V rocket out the window for you to argue with. (edit: it's off in the distance from a previous office) I know a castle is cool and all... but really? Do you have something cooler to look at out your window?

100 parked HMMWVs and some dudes on the horizon paratrooping out of a C130 every week or so.

IntangibleFate wrote:
oilypenguin wrote:

You're coming to the wrong party, friend, if you think we truck with that 'rocket city' crap at pencon.

QFT

though im too poor to go to minpencon due to pax...hoping for bigpencon though.

Just need to figure out how to kidnap raven. Complex has an evil laugh that will help, but I think we need a better plan than just an evil laugh.

I also have an SUV if that helps?
At the moment I am hoping pencon 2013 dates change from October 10-12 as that is during my company's blackout dates for PTO.

Complex wrote:
IntangibleFate wrote:
oilypenguin wrote:

You're coming to the wrong party, friend, if you think we truck with that 'rocket city' crap at pencon.

QFT

though im too poor to go to minpencon due to pax...hoping for bigpencon though.

Just need to figure out how to kidnap raven. Complex has an evil laugh that will help, but I think we need a better plan than just an evil laugh.

I also have an SUV if that helps?
At the moment I am hoping pencon 2013 dates change from October 10-12 as that is during my company's blackout dates for PTO. :(

I'd prefer a van, but I think we have a start. Time to start the elaborate plan of getting his address but offering him Lulu cupcakes from Pax. I mean...

Squee9 wrote:

100 parked HMMWVs and some dudes on the horizon paratrooping out of a C130 every week or so.

To be fair, we do have some manner of that stuff going on down the street at Redstone Arsenal as well, it just doesn't dominate the skyline in quite the same way.

Fun night of doing stupid things and still getting wins. I played 3 and we did something dumb and unexpected in each.

2 APs bot with an AD top, 5 man push to get a 4 minute turret, etc.

Unfortunately, the coveted Cass/Nami no feet lane was unexpectedly counter-trolled by a blitz/thresh lane. We'll need to try that one again.