Bioshock Infinite Spoiler Thread

Mere Anarchy wrote:
TheWanderer wrote:

Did anyone find the guitar?

Spoiler:

I had a moment yesterday afternoon, just after we retrieved the gunsmith's tools, where Elizabeth and I wandered into a little basement hovel where some of the Fink workers live. There was a guitar, and when I clicked on it DeWitt sat down and began to play. Elizabeth went into the most beautiful rendition of The Unbroken Circle and handed an apple to a hungry child which, until then I had not noticed was hiding under the stairs. Just stunning.

Yeah, I experienced that one. Stunning is the word.

I just found that extremely weird.

Finished. WTF? The end of the ending. We're missing chapters.

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Wow, I just finished. I was completely nonplussed at first, and then redid the ending, and actually sat through all the credits. That really, really changed my outlook.

So, my question to you similarly spoilered people is this: should I post that without spoiler tags in the main thread? Something to the effect of "Make sure to stick around all through the credits, it's important." I don't think that's really a spoiler, but I figured I'd do a sanity check first. Opinions?

Malor wrote:

Wow, I just finished. I was completely nonplussed at first, and then redid the ending, and actually sat through all the credits. That really, really changed my outlook.

So, my question to you similarly spoilered people is this: should I post that without spoiler tags in the main thread? Something to the effect of "Make sure to stick around all through the credits, it's important." I don't think that's really a spoiler, but I figured I'd do a sanity check first. Opinions?

My experience has been that some people on this board think that everything is a spoiler. I had people get pissy with me for saying that there was a mission involving a river in Assassin's Creed 3.

Malor wrote:

Wow, I just finished. I was completely nonplussed at first, and then redid the ending, and actually sat through all the credits. That really, really changed my outlook.

So, my question to you similarly spoilered people is this: should I post that without spoiler tags in the main thread? Something to the effect of "Make sure to stick around all through the credits, it's important." I don't think that's really a spoiler, but I figured I'd do a sanity check first. Opinions?

I wouldn't see that as a problem. You aren't revealing anything about the plot; you're just telling other players to pay attention at the end.

tuffalobuffalo wrote:

Also, do the recordings you've found stay with you through multiple playthroughs?

Yes, they do.

CptGlanton wrote:
tuffalobuffalo wrote:

Also, do the recordings you've found stay with you through multiple playthroughs?

Yes, they do.

Sweet sweet sweet. I can't wait to start a new playthrough and then go and listen to all the recordings first thing. Context for the win! Mentioned this in the other thread, but I'm going to eventually try this strategy with 1999 mode. Anyone think it'll work?

I'm going to focus on charge or whatever it's called. I had 3/4 of my vigors set as melee based. Everything up to a patriot was easy to take out. With charge, I can just pop in there and melee things for the most part which will help with not so much ammo lying around. The problem is, it takes a long time to get that vigor.

Basically, I want to ME3 vanguard everything.

tuffalobuffalo wrote:

Is there any way to make sure you haven't missed any recordings before moving on?

I'm waiting until I find a decent audio diary guide before doing a second play through. I was very thorough the first time and still missed six and I don't want to spend a bunch of time investigating everything on a second play through.

iaintgotnopants wrote:
tuffalobuffalo wrote:

Is there any way to make sure you haven't missed any recordings before moving on?

I'm waiting until I find a decent audio diary guide before doing a second play through. I was very thorough the first time and still missed six and I don't want to spend a bunch of time investigating everything on a second play through.

I figure I'm going to have to do so in 1999 mode to find ammo. Still, I imagine I'll miss a couple somehow. I'd be interested in a guide, too, if anyone finds one. Mostly, I just want to know the quantity in each location so that I don't move on before finding them all. Is there anything like that in the strategy guide?

tuffalobuffalo wrote:

I'm going to focus on charge or whatever it's called. I had 3/4 of my vigors set as melee based. Everything up to a patriot was easy to take out. With charge, I can just pop in there and melee things for the most part which will help with not so much ammo lying around. The problem is, it takes a long time to get that vigor.

Basically, I want to ME3 vanguard everything.

Vanguard (Krogan excepted) doesn't work on the harder difficulties in ME3 MP because you don't have the health and shields to stand up to boss characters up close, and you charge into situations and then get downed. And Charge doesn't replenish your shields in BI like it does in ME. I suspect that the same would be true here.

CptGlanton wrote:
tuffalobuffalo wrote:

I'm going to focus on charge or whatever it's called. I had 3/4 of my vigors set as melee based. Everything up to a patriot was easy to take out. With charge, I can just pop in there and melee things for the most part which will help with not so much ammo lying around. The problem is, it takes a long time to get that vigor.

Basically, I want to ME3 vanguard everything.

Vanguard (Krogan excepted) doesn't work on the harder difficulties in ME3 MP because you don't have the health and shields to stand up to boss characters up close, and you charge into situations and then get downed. And Charge doesn't replenish your shields in BI like it does in ME. I suspect that the same would be true here.

One of the upgrades for Charge does make it refill your shields.

CptGlanton wrote:

Vanguard (Krogan excepted) doesn't work on the harder difficulties in ME3 MP because you don't have the health and shields to stand up to boss characters up close, and you charge into situations and then get downed. And Charge doesn't replenish your shields in BI like it does in ME. I suspect that the same would be true here.

Hey, if I recall correctly, a few of us GWJers did a 4 human vanguard gold run way back in the day. It was pretty tough, though, so yeah, I realize the failings of the strategy. It's fun, though, and could work for smaller scale battles in this game. I will at least test the strategy.

tuffalobuffalo wrote:

I figure I'm going to have to do so in 1999 mode to find ammo. Still, I imagine I'll miss a couple somehow. I'd be interested in a guide, too, if anyone finds one. Mostly, I just want to know the quantity in each location so that I don't move on before finding them all. Is there anything like that in the strategy guide?

There are several guides online already, but I find this one to be the best, since the rest are either video or just text that's hard to interpret, whereas this one actually shows you where to look.

kaostheory wrote:

One of the upgrades for Charge does make it refill your shields.

Shweet.

That's perfect kuddles! Thanks!

kaostheory wrote:

One of the upgrades for Charge does make it refill your shields.

Dammit, now you have me thinking about a 1999 run. Biggest problem for Tuff's solution is that you get Charge pretty late.

New thought on the ending:

Spoiler:

I just read a comment on Neogaf making a good case that Elizabeth blinks out of existence as DeWitt drowns. I knew that intellectually but had not really dwelled on it. Now I'm super sad.

I will say, the moment with the guitar is possibly my favorite moments in a game, ever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdiNR...

Malor, that's pretty much how I saw it. And honestly, if you didn't watch all the kinescopes and listen to all the tapes, I'm not sure you'd get half of it. But I obsessed about them things, and came out pretty much right where you are.

One thing that I haven't seen or thought of an explanation for:

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Why does Comstock look like he's about 30 years older than DeWitt? I thought in the game, you're playing as 1912 DeWitt.

Am I just slow and missing something?

CptGlanton wrote:

One thing that I haven't seen or thought of an explanation for:

Spoiler:

Why does Comstock look like he's about 30 years older than DeWitt? I thought in the game, you're playing as 1912 DeWitt.

Am I just slow and missing something?

Spoiler:

Wibbely Wobbley Timey Wimey

rabbit wrote:

I will say, the moment with the guitar is possibly my favorite moments in a game, ever.

Yeah, that had me absolutely rapt. One of the best things ever put into a video game.

Oh, and:

Spoiler:

Why does Comstock look like he's about 30 years older than DeWitt?

You know, I thought of that while I was doing my writeup, and dropped it. I don't have an explanation. It doesn't really make sense.

CptGlanton wrote:

One thing that I haven't seen or thought of an explanation for:

Spoiler:

Why does Comstock look like he's about 30 years older than DeWitt? I thought in the game, you're playing as 1912 DeWitt.

Am I just slow and missing something?

Spoiler:

There was a voxophone that talked about how his exposure to the rifts not only made him sterile but also sped up his aging (I believe he was even dying of cancer)

Malor wrote:
Spoiler:

After credits: it's 1893, and Booker awakes, apparently still having Anna. But this is after the battle at Wounded Knee, and presumably after his christening, so even if he retains the knowledge of the horrible universes that he would spawn, it appears Comstock would still create Columbia.... but Booker will have the option of not selling Anna and, presumably, at least if all of the Bookers know about this, preventing any Comstocks from stealing his daughter.

Spoiler:

I didn't take that at all. What Elizabeth did was ensure that any universe where Booker accepts baptism, he drowns. The Bookers that still exist are the ones who refuse, therefore there is nobody to sell his child to as there is no real universe where Comstock exists anymore. That said, I think the post-credits ending is supposed to be ambiguous, kind of a Schrödinger's Anna kind of thing.

Also, aside from the obvious ideologies at work here with the warring factions, I think the game narrative can also be taken as a critique of American politics in general. America has a pretty horrible past full of misdeeds and mistakes. This will repeat until it accepts that the evil has been from within it all along and moves forward, instead of mythologizing/whitewashing the past.

kaostheory wrote:
CptGlanton wrote:

One thing that I haven't seen or thought of an explanation for:

Spoiler:

Why does Comstock look like he's about 30 years older than DeWitt? I thought in the game, you're playing as 1912 DeWitt.

Am I just slow and missing something?

Spoiler:

There was a voxophone that talked about how his exposure to the rifts not only made him sterile but also sped up his aging (I believe he was even dying of cancer)

Spoiler:

I listened to that one and I remember the sterility. I must have slept through the aging part.

Malor wrote:
Spoiler:

Why does Comstock look like he's about 30 years older than DeWitt?

You know, I thought of that while I was doing my writeup, and dropped it. I don't have an explanation. It doesn't really make sense.

See, that's why I want to play it again.

Spoiler:

So, there's the point where Booker regrets the sale and tries to stop Comstock back in 1893 or whenever Booker is the depressed investigator. That's when Anna/Elizabeth loses the tip of her finger. Comstock has a beard at that point and looks older but isn't white haired, so at some point, he made a jump somewhere and then aged for awhile. I'm thinking that he jumped back a ways with the help of Lutece who he must have met after his baptism/transformation, figured out how to get all the knowledge to create the ultimate path that resulted in the creation of Columbia. After all that planning (presumably many years) he jumps back to that point with the help of Lutece, collects Anna, and puts all the plans in motion to get to that ultimate

Thing is, Comstock seems to know and have always known that he can't win and gets his head bashed in. So, why exactly did he decide to go through all the freaking trouble in the first place? Was all the trouble worth it for an actual redemption of Booker which wasn't a transformation into Comstock? The real redemption happens in the death of Booker and Elizabeth (not Anna) which sort of resets some things as you can see in the post credits clip. That baptism was more of a true "born again" baptism compared to the baptism that resulted in the transformation to the evil Comstock.

Gahhhh... too many straws to grasp at!

Edit: Ahhhh, I see there was a voxaphone I may have missed or didn't play close enough attention to.

Great explanation Malor, to add to what you've said.

RE: mentioning of the future

Spoiler:

Specifically Elizabeth in the future destroying New York you can also see a billboard showing the year is: 1984. http://i.imgur.com/uxgW1xy.jpg

RE: explanation of the Boxer Rebellion

Spoiler:

It was Columbia and Comstock who were involved with the Boxer Rebellion, not DeWitt. Afterwards the USA told Columbia to stop the massacre which led to Columbia telling the USA to shove it and left the union. I don't think we've heard anything about where DeWitt was at this exact time but it was probably during his drunken seclusion.

At a certain point, the story feels like a [inset analogy for something that is pretty but falls apart if you poke at it too long].

The other "awe sh*t" moment for me was ...

Spoiler:

Booker loosing ana through the wall

Manly tears.

mrwynd wrote:

Great explanation Malor, to add to what you've said.

RE: mentioning of the future

Spoiler:

Specifically Elizabeth in the future destroying New York you can also see a billboard showing the year is: 1984. http://i.imgur.com/uxgW1xy.jpg

Spoiler:

With the obvious reference to dystopia.

Malor wrote:
rabbit wrote:

I will say, the moment with the guitar is possibly my favorite moments in a game, ever.

Yeah, that had me absolutely rapt. One of the best things ever put into a video game.

Oh, and:

Spoiler:

Why does Comstock look like he's about 30 years older than DeWitt?

You know, I thought of that while I was doing my writeup, and dropped it. I don't have an explanation. It doesn't really make sense.

Why not?

Spoiler:

Booker DeWitt having a child and Comstock realising he's sterile and stealing Booker's child doesn't seem like they necessarily need to occur at the same time. You're already tearing through the multiverse, why does things have to occur at the same time?

Alien Love Gardener wrote:
Malor wrote:
rabbit wrote:

I will say, the moment with the guitar is possibly my favorite moments in a game, ever.

Yeah, that had me absolutely rapt. One of the best things ever put into a video game.

Oh, and:

Spoiler:

Why does Comstock look like he's about 30 years older than DeWitt?

You know, I thought of that while I was doing my writeup, and dropped it. I don't have an explanation. It doesn't really make sense.

Why not?

Spoiler:

Booker DeWitt having a child and Comstock realising he's sterile and stealing Booker's child doesn't seem like they necessarily need to occur at the same time. You're already tearing through the multiverse, why does things have to occur at the same time?

Spoiler:

Yeah, since this version of Comstock is going through multiple universes and becomes sterile I think it's safe to extrapolate that he has lived longer than DeWitt. It would have been cool to have a bit go into another version of Comstock at a younger age.