NFL 2012-2013 Post-Super Bowl Offseason Thread

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The Tom Brady rule might finally go away... but at the cost of a possible Raider Super Bowl..

I don't understand this one. Not sure why the Bucs could not pay him 5mil.

Haha, I also love all this Seahawk banter. I mean, they are definitely looking good BUT the 49ers are still in your division, you don't mind if we don't hand you the superbowl trophy right now, eh?

TheGameguru wrote:

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The Tom Brady rule might finally go away... but at the cost of a possible Raider Super Bowl..

About f*cking time. And yes, the Tom Brady rule, because it sure as sh*t didn't get called for Manning in this year's playoff loss.

Stele wrote:

About f*cking time. And yes, the Tom Brady rule, because it sure as sh*t didn't get called for Manning in this year's playoff loss.

+1

As soon as I saw the replay, I said that was exactly what happened to Tom Brady, and the refs decided it was a fumble. Horrible.

*Legion* wrote:
jowner wrote:

Jennings is dining with the Vikes tonight... Not afraid of Cassel or Ponder throwing to him.

If Week 17 is any indication, Green Bay was fortunate Christian Ponder didn't play in the wildcard round.

Pffft. I was going to argue that was some nothing game but no the Packers very much could of taken a bye and made the 49ers come play at Lambeau. What a debacle.

Probably explains why they are willing to let Jennings walk if it means adding to the defense.

TheGameguru wrote:

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The Tom Brady rule might finally go away... but at the cost of a possible Raider Super Bowl..

I know a Raider fan who was at that game.... Pretty sure he was never a happy person (Raider fan) but hes definitely still not a happy person.

I wonder if Seattle thinks they can field a defense comprised entirely of pass rushers.

jowner wrote:

I know a Raider fan who was at that game.... Pretty sure he was never a happy person (Raider fan) but hes definitely still not a happy person.

As the resident GWJ Raider's fan, the Pats getting eliminated (again) and SF putting one in the L column was catharsis enough.

Kush15 wrote:
Stele wrote:

About f*cking time. And yes, the Tom Brady rule, because it sure as sh*t didn't get called for Manning in this year's playoff loss.

+1

As soon as I saw the replay, I said that was exactly what happened to Tom Brady, and the refs decided it was a fumble. Horrible.

As much as I can't stand Manning(s) that was about as clear cut as you can get for the Tuck Rule and yet... it was a fumble. So perhaps that was the nail in the coffin.. taking what used to be a fairly easy call and creating a rule that made it now a grey area. Now they just need to get rid of the whole "what is a catch rule" and try and eliminate some of the grey area there... because as it stands today its still confusing as hell.

The catch rules are indeed a complete quagmire.

Watching some old NFL videos, I was struck by how many plays that would get called incomplete passes by today's rules were ruled at that time as catch and fumbles. If you got your hands on the ball, it was a catch. If it came out after that, it was a fumble. Hang onto the damn ball.

I am all in favor of eliminating these "fumbles that aren't fumbles" rules. There are enough rules tilting the field in favor of the offense already. If the QB loses the ball and it wasn't a clear forward pass, it's a fumble. If the receiver clearly gets both hands on the ball and then the ball comes out, it's a fumble.

Also, bring back bump and run and eliminate pass interference rules. That's not related to this discussion, I'm just going to beat that drum in every rule discussion.

Not that it matters, but Tampa just traded Arrelious Benn plus a 7th to Philly for a 6th. Why do I care? Well, Benn was picked 39th overall in 2010, with a pick acquired from the Bears, a pick received in exchange for Gaines Adams. Who was drafted 4th overall in 2007 (right after Megatron and Joe Thomas, I hate the @#$!! 2007 draft).

So, in short, Tampa managed to turn the 4th overall pick plus a 7th rounder into a 6th rounder in a couple easy steps. Drafting is clearly a SCIENCE.

WTF? Elivs Dumervil released because they didn't file his contract renegotiation in time?

Did I heard that right, ESPN?

Stele wrote:

WTF? Elivs Dumervil released because they didn't file his contract renegotiation in time?

Did I heard that right, ESPN?

TEH FUNNY.

Unless you're a Denver fan.

Seriously, you're losing millions because your agent didn't make sure your paperwork was in on time? FIRE EVERYBODY.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:
Stele wrote:

WTF? Elivs Dumervil released because they didn't file his contract renegotiation in time?

Did I heard that right, ESPN?

TEH FUNNY.

Unless you're a Denver fan.

Seriously, you're losing millions because your agent didn't make sure your paperwork was in on time? FIRE EVERYBODY.

Looks like the agent was having troubles with his fax machine. Gotta love 80s tech.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...

Secret Asian Man wrote:
MilkmanDanimal wrote:
Stele wrote:

WTF? Elivs Dumervil released because they didn't file his contract renegotiation in time?

Did I heard that right, ESPN?

TEH FUNNY.

Unless you're a Denver fan.

Seriously, you're losing millions because your agent didn't make sure your paperwork was in on time? FIRE EVERYBODY.

Looks like the agent was having troubles with his fax machine. Gotta love 80s tech.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...

Wow Deja Vu...TO claimed the same thing (at least in terms of issues with the fax) happened to him trying to get out of SF

I wonder if Seattle thinks they can field a defense comprised entirely of pass rushers.

It worked for the Giants in 07!

Seriously, though, that whole competition mantra that Carroll is always droning on about? He actually means it. Every coach says it, but how many coaches in the league would have actually started a 3rd round 'short' QB and have a guy earning $5m holding a clipboard? Harvin may be the true test here - if he turns out to be a locker room cancer or won't put in the effort in the offseason (which I doubt, I think his biggest problem in Minnesota was being an A player on a team of B players other than AP), he should be held accountable regardless of the dead money.

What's surprising to me is that Seattle is becoming a FA destination. If I were a NFL FA I'd want to go to an old-school team where my contract, not how hard I work, determines my playing time, but as players like Flynn, Houshmanzadeh and reclamation project Mike Williams have shown, you've got to put in the work as well as have the talent to play in Seattle. Bennett or Avril get beaten out by some 5th rounder everyone overlooked? They'll be gone or on the bench.

That's an expensive philosophy. You still get paid if you're riding the pine.

How is it more expensive? You have two guys one making 5M and one making 1M, it doesn't matter which one plays you're still out 6M. If playing the 1M guy makes you win more, the team makes more money overall.

Why hire the free agent at all then? That's a lot of money with little value to your team.

Why hire the free agent at all then? That's a lot of money with little value to your team.

If it were easy to predict performance, the free agent market would be much different. Also, injuries. The Seahawks were very healthy last year (probably due to having such a young team) but the injury bug can strike any time, like when Seattle released Michael Bennett in the first place (the entire offensive line was hurt, so they had to make room).

You've got to look at it by total $ per position - as in the example above, the Seahawks are paying $6m for quality at that position, regardless who actually plays.

You two are arguing different perspectives.
Phish is saying that you should evaluate talent before you sign papers.
Minase is mentioning a specific example of the sunk cost fallacy, notably that once papers are signed you put the best product on the field regardless of paycheck because that money is already gone.

Now kiss.

I'm doing a sh*tty job of communicating because I'm posting from my phone. I think boogle has the right of it though.
Also, *kiss*.

Big smooches to Phishposer!

September can't come soon enough!

So the Titsns cut Hasselbeck and sign Fitzpatrick. They may be the first team to have the dumbest QB ever to the smartest QB ever in a 5 year span.

Tuck Rule gone...not surprising the Patriots abstained...Steelers only team to vote against which makes sense given how much their current QB pump fakes

TheGameguru wrote:

Tuck Rule gone...not surprising the Patriots abstained...Steelers only team to vote against which makes sense given how much their current QB pump fakes

http://www.boston.com/sports/footbal...

Its kind of funny that he didn't know what it was considering it worked against them a loss to the Jets earlier that year.

FFS the Texans got Ed Reed. Is there a defense left?

Hopefully they find a way to bring Brian Urlacher, even if he can't play a full season.

garion333 wrote:

FFS the Texans got Ed Reed. Is there a defense left?

Hopefully they find a way to bring Brian Urlacher, even if he can't play a full season.

I think signing veteran core players is the wrong way for Baltimore to go. It's start fresh time.

Of the 10 oldest players on the 2012 team's roster, 4 are goners (Ray Lewis, Matt Birk, Ed Reed, Anquan Boldin), and 4 more are unrestricted free agents, and it's quite possible none will come back (Bobbie Williams, Ma'ake Kemoeatu, Sean Considine, Bryant McKinnie). Only 2 are still on the roster (Brendon Ayanbadejo and Chris Johnson) and both of those guys are signed for only one more year, at less than a million each.

It's youth movement time. The offense has a young core to build on in Flacco, Ray Rice, and Torrey Smith. The defense needs a new circle of young guys around Haloti Ngata. Let the free agents walk and collect those compensatory picks.

I'm aware of all of that, but I'd like them to retain someone otherwise they'll end up like the Patriots, good or great on offense but never good enough as a team.

Slightly hyperbolic, but I'm allowed to be from time to time.

Truthfully, if they snag anyone I'd like to see Jake Long get picked up. Apparently he regressed quite a bit this past season or two (wouldn't know as I don't think I've seen the Dolphins play in years) but if there's still some quality there it'd be a good add for them.

garion333 wrote:

I'm aware of all of that, but I'd like them to retain someone otherwise they'll end up like the Patriots, good or great on offense but never good enough as a team.

Slightly hyperbolic, but I'm allowed to be from time to time.

Truthfully, if they snag anyone I'd like to see Jake Long get picked up. Apparently he regressed quite a bit this past season or two (wouldn't know as I don't think I've seen the Dolphins play in years) but if there's still some quality there it'd be a good add for them.

About that...

As I was typing that out I knew something like that would've happened.