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Ok Complex. I owe you an apology. Taric jungle is ridiculously good right now. I'm gonna play lots of this til they nerf his ass next patch.

Yeah he has mana issues early, but after that he's kind of a wrecking ball.

Riot's intent was to make him more interesting to play as a support late game, not become dominant in solo lane and jungle. He will get nerfed pretty hard I suspect. I think they should just undo his percentage based scaling and try a different approach.

Dyni wrote:

Ok Complex. I owe you an apology. Taric jungle is ridiculously good right now. I'm gonna play lots of this til they nerf his ass next patch.

WTF I told you about jungle Taric

Koz wrote:

Yeah he has mana issues early, but after that he's kind of a wrecking ball.

Even mana isn't too much of a concern in the jungle once you get a madreds. You just need to buy some pots to heal yourself instead of spamming q.

FedoraMcQuaid wrote:

WTF I told you about jungle Taric

Yes, but I didn't make fun of you for picking it in our game! Plus, you talk so much that I end up tuning out much of what you say

Dyni wrote:
Koz wrote:

Yeah he has mana issues early, but after that he's kind of a wrecking ball.

Even mana isn't too much of a concern in the jungle once you get a madreds. You just need to buy some pots to heal yourself instead of spamming q.

FedoraMcQuaid wrote:

WTF I told you about jungle Taric

Yes, but I didn't make fun of you for picking it in our game! Plus, you talk so much that I end up tuning out much of what you say :nicekiss:

yeah, its getting to the point where i just assume I am going to get made fun of for what I pick or choose to play because everyone considers me inept in making these choices due to my unfailing love of heimerdinger. Though I think someone else (carrot?) also likes heimerdinger but everyone considers him fine and me horrible. So whatever. I will just go back to my garen and spin without a care in the world.

[spin] [spin] [spin]

I tried some Jungle Yi last night and I don't think I did horrible. I don't like to blame my team, but just farming the jungle and covering a lane here and there I had 2x the CS of all my teammates, I feel like that is a very bad thing.

Yi doesn't seem to have great banks since he doesn't have a slow or any kind of CC, pret fun though.

Any idea if there is a group of players still doing teams in GWJ? I've been playing for over a year now and have been shying away from draft/ranked because of the abuse my poor shattered psyche takes... I sometimes make bad decisions like thinking I CAN win a 1 vs 3 as Amumu (only actually did it once)...

Wondering if I should find out if GWJ players setup teams ad-hoc as opposed to trying for a full fledged team to start playing Ranked or Draft though... I hate being yelled at by 14 year olds...

Damn my 15 yr old for getting me hooked on this game then leaving for DOTA2. Anyways, I play most roles ageragely, but suck less at mid, Jungle (Amumu ftw) or support. Too agressive for top or ADC, and apparently I KS as Sona

I should note as well that my playtime is a bit limited right now as I am working 2 contracts... one daytime job and another in the evenings, but this situation should only last for another 4 weeks or so...

ulath7 wrote:

Any idea if there is a group of players still doing teams in GWJ? I've been playing for over a year now and have been shying away from draft/ranked because of the abuse my poor shattered psyche takes... I sometimes make bad decisions like thinking I CAN win a 1 vs 3 as Amumu (only actually did it once)...

Solo ranked is actually OK. Maybe friend me up and we can play as a duo.

Thanks King... will do. I'll send you a poke on Steam when I get a chance to actually play more than my win of the day...

One odd thing I've been noticing is that quite often certain players are very, very passive in the initial laning phase. They'll stand just close enough to the minions to get XP, and may take a whack at one of two, but otherwise do nothing until level 6 or so. There I am, fighting my little heart out, maneuvering, checking brush, laying wards, giving updates, etc., and these guys can't be bothered. However, they're not AFK, and once they do get their ult by and large they make a good showing. Is this the pro style of play? I sure wouldn't know.

ulath, just join up in the GWJ chat channel and you should be able to find games. As for set teams? I don't think we have very many of those but people are usually around for duo-queue.

ulath7 wrote:

Thanks King... will do. I'll send you a poke on Steam when I get a chance to actually play more than my win of the day...

Don't forget to join the gwj chat room and just spam friend invites and game requests using it. Sure you might get only one of five in the room to accept a game with you, but if there is twenty in that room the you might be able to play with nothing but goodjers on your team.

Also we do love our VoIP. I recommend installing both Skype and ventrillo as we bounce between those a lot.

I seem to play with a lot of Cait's that do this when I support. The problem for your support is that while you are farming gold and extra XP from minions, they are falling behind the curve without assists. Some characters really require you to be more passive early on-Kog and Twitch are mana hungry, without a lot of damage early on.

I might be a bit more passive if the opposing player can out hit me early on, Gragas Mid against Swain is not my favorite match-up. I had quite a fire and ice match up top when I was Udyr against Jarvan a few days ago. Jarvan can out initiate me, no question. He can out poke me. But getting up close, or over-pushing the lane would have been death for him. So he poked, I would turtle up for a few last hits.

Polar opposite is when I top Gragas or Gangplank. GP needs those last hit Qs to feed him up (the new mana return on kill shots with Q has really been a godsend), Gragas has fantastic self heals, long range poke, and can last hit a lot of minions on Q. I can really push the lanes, use the natural CC and either force opponents back, or get some kills. I think if you can poke, you can get more aggressive when the time comes right.

Tell me Natus, does this passivity also go along with an unwillingness to buy wards? I see that a fair bit, you surrender lane control to save 75 -125 gold once in awhile to build that Blood Thirster.

Complex wrote:
ulath7 wrote:

Thanks King... will do. I'll send you a poke on Steam when I get a chance to actually play more than my win of the day...

Don't forget to join the gwj chat room and just spam friend invites and game requests using it. Sure you might get only one of five in the room to accept a game with you, but if there is twenty in that room the you might be able to play with nothing but goodjers on your team.

Also we do love our VoIP. I recommend installing both Skype and ventrillo as we bounce between those a lot.

Have both, and Mumble is friendly to my system as well...

Thanks you for the info... would be nice to find a bunch of gamers who don't flame you too much for a missed shot...

Complex wrote:
Dyni wrote:
Koz wrote:

Yeah he has mana issues early, but after that he's kind of a wrecking ball.

Even mana isn't too much of a concern in the jungle once you get a madreds. You just need to buy some pots to heal yourself instead of spamming q.

FedoraMcQuaid wrote:

WTF I told you about jungle Taric

Yes, but I didn't make fun of you for picking it in our game! Plus, you talk so much that I end up tuning out much of what you say :nicekiss:

yeah, its getting to the point where i just assume I am going to get made fun of for what I pick or choose to play because everyone considers me inept in making these choices due to my unfailing love of heimerdinger. Though I think someone else (carrot?) also likes heimerdinger but everyone considers him fine and me horrible. So whatever. I will just go back to my garen and spin without a care in the world.

[spin] [spin] [spin]

I like Heimer but I still think he's a garbage hero in desperate need of some quality of life changes.

Also Carrot is a scrublord my Heimerdinger is god.

Natus wrote:

One odd thing I've been noticing is that quite often certain players are very, very passive in the initial laning phase. They'll stand just close enough to the minions to get XP, and may take a whack at one of two, but otherwise do nothing until level 6 or so. There I am, fighting my little heart out, maneuvering, checking brush, laying wards, giving updates, etc., and these guys can't be bothered. However, they're not AFK, and once they do get their ult by and large they make a good showing. Is this the pro style of play? I sure wouldn't know.

I see odd stuff like this all the time. I had a game as Viktor last night vs. Annie where I was highly aggressive, poking her with my Q as much as possible, and pre-6 she didn't trade a single time. Just kept taking my pokes in the face and would just backpedal rather than retaliate. Even post-6 she was pretty passive - she tried to Tibbers stunburst me a couple of times over the remainder of the laning phase but didn't accomplish much. It was very confusing, considering the range she's got on her autoattacks and Q.

FedoraMcQuaid wrote:
Complex wrote:
Dyni wrote:
Koz wrote:

Yeah he has mana issues early, but after that he's kind of a wrecking ball.

Even mana isn't too much of a concern in the jungle once you get a madreds. You just need to buy some pots to heal yourself instead of spamming q.

FedoraMcQuaid wrote:

WTF I told you about jungle Taric

Yes, but I didn't make fun of you for picking it in our game! Plus, you talk so much that I end up tuning out much of what you say :nicekiss:

yeah, its getting to the point where i just assume I am going to get made fun of for what I pick or choose to play because everyone considers me inept in making these choices due to my unfailing love of heimerdinger. Though I think someone else (carrot?) also likes heimerdinger but everyone considers him fine and me horrible. So whatever. I will just go back to my garen and spin without a care in the world.

[spin] [spin] [spin]

I like Heimer but I still think he's a garbage hero in desperate need of some quality of life changes.

Also Carrot is a scrublord my Heimerdinger is god.

Fedora is better at Heimer than me, but I think he's better at probably every toon than me, anyway.

Natus wrote:

One odd thing I've been noticing is that quite often certain players are very, very passive in the initial laning phase.

Some people just don't understand the fundamentals of trades. For quite a while I didn't either, and I thought my goal was simply to avoid being hit by stuff rather than to figure out how to win trades. I assume they still end up doing the right things later on once the mid-game arrives and the laning phase gives way to team fights?

KingGorilla wrote:

Tell me Natus, does this passivity also go along with an unwillingness to buy wards? I see that a fair bit, you surrender lane control to save 75 -125 gold once in awhile to build that Blood Thirster.

The best way that I heard this explained was by Siv HD.

You buy wards so that you can farm and make more money. Every time you go up to farm and you don't have wards up you are taking the chance of being ganked by the enemy jungler. While 14 out of 15 times it will be ok when you do this, that 1 time it isn't and you get pushed out of lane or worse end up dying it makes it not worth it. The 75 g for a ward is only 3 minions. So as long as each ward you buy allows you to farm 3 minions safely without dying it is worth the cost. Cause you might not have been able to get that farm. And this is really easy when you consider dying, and missing 2-3 waves because you didn't want to spend 75g on a ward. It's why the 50g gold extra proposition for a pink ward makes it worth it. You are denying safe farm/vision.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaand my first Quadra ever as Karthus with Fedora's build (and not using Requiem). Thanks, man!

IntangibleFate wrote:
KingGorilla wrote:

Tell me Natus, does this passivity also go along with an unwillingness to buy wards? I see that a fair bit, you surrender lane control to save 75 -125 gold once in awhile to build that Blood Thirster.

The best way that I heard this explained was by Siv HD.

You buy wards so that you can farm and make more money. Every time you go up to farm and you don't have wards up you are taking the chance of being ganked by the enemy jungler. While 14 out of 15 times it will be ok when you do this, that 1 time it isn't and you get pushed out of lane or worse end up dying it makes it not worth it. The 75 g for a ward is only 3 minions. So as long as each ward you buy allows you to farm 3 minions safely without dying it is worth the cost. Cause you might not have been able to get that farm. And this is really easy when you consider dying, and missing 2-3 waves because you didn't want to spend 75g on a ward. It's why the 50g gold extra proposition for a pink ward makes it worth it. You are denying safe farm/vision.

As a side note this really matters if your laning phase is going well or at least close to neutral. If you are instead being denied farm in lane and even under tower then buying a ward might not be helpful if placing it could get you killed. This is more for solo lanes where your opponent got a good early fight and now you are behind a level or more and they have good range poke. Like a syndra who if 2 or 3 kills ahead could just kill you in 3 abilities or a jayce top vs melee where he pokes you when you farm and pokes you under tower. In those cases a ward might be second to getting more pots to survive or more resistances.

Though I have seen some people ignore ward and defenses and focus on damage when they are 2 or more levels behind. It can sometimes work if the enemy gets cocky, but you could just get yourself killled.

I just plonked down some money to get through leveling to 30 so I can play with the big kids, anyone else around here under level 30? It'll make playing much better than just hoping that everyone doesn't choose an ad carry and perform suicide every chance they get. I'm McStabWithLies on LoL, I lurk on the gwj chat a bit. Hope to see people there.

IntangibleFate wrote:
KingGorilla wrote:

Tell me Natus, does this passivity also go along with an unwillingness to buy wards? I see that a fair bit, you surrender lane control to save 75 -125 gold once in awhile to build that Blood Thirster.

The best way that I heard this explained was by Siv HD.

You buy wards so that you can farm and make more money. Every time you go up to farm and you don't have wards up you are taking the chance of being ganked by the enemy jungler. While 14 out of 15 times it will be ok when you do this, that 1 time it isn't and you get pushed out of lane or worse end up dying it makes it not worth it. The 75 g for a ward is only 3 minions. So as long as each ward you buy allows you to farm 3 minions safely without dying it is worth the cost. Cause you might not have been able to get that farm. And this is really easy when you consider dying, and missing 2-3 waves because you didn't want to spend 75g on a ward. It's why the 50g gold extra proposition for a pink ward makes it worth it. You are denying safe farm/vision.

Yeah, that's a really good way to talk about it. Makes a lot of sense.

Octacon100 wrote:

I just plonked down some money to get through leveling to 30

Plopped down money on an XP boost?

Anyway, I remember seeing you online from time to time. I don't think any of the regulars in this thread have their main account under 30, but my smurf is around 11. I'll swap over to it and hit you up if I see you on. And as stated above, having Skype and/or Vent makes the game a lot better.

KingGorilla wrote:

Tell me Natus, does this passivity also go along with an unwillingness to buy wards? I see that a fair bit, you surrender lane control to save 75 -125 gold once in awhile to build that Blood Thirster.

Sorry, I wasn't clear...I was really speaking about laning partners, especially Yi/Jax/Tryn. Some get right in the thick of it and bully their opponents, but a surprising amount of them just sit there, as if to say, "I'll start playing at Lvl 6."

But regarding wards, NO ONE buys wards, or very few teammates. It's crazy. Now I buy wards no matter what role I am.

ltp, ward buyer.

Natus wrote:
KingGorilla wrote:

Tell me Natus, does this passivity also go along with an unwillingness to buy wards? I see that a fair bit, you surrender lane control to save 75 -125 gold once in awhile to build that Blood Thirster.

Sorry, I wasn't clear...I was really speaking about laning partners, especially Yi/Jax/Tryn. Some get right in the thick of it and bully their opponents, but a surprising amount of them just sit there, as if to say, "I'll start playing at Lvl 6."

But regarding wards, NO ONE buys wards, or very few teammates. It's crazy. Now I buy wards no matter what role I am.

It has been established that buying wards is a newb move. Noob.

Natus wrote:

But regarding wards, NO ONE buys wards, or very few teammates. It's crazy. Now I buy wards no matter what role I am.

Just a matter of ELO. Play well over enough games, and you'll get past the ELO-of-no-warding. In the mean time, play gank junglers and destroy people.

Natus wrote:

Sorry, I wasn't clear...I was really speaking about laning partners, especially Yi/Jax/Tryn.

... wait what? Yi/Jax/Tryn laning partners? What horrible meta has such as laning partners?

I am scared now

Time to spin away

[spin] [spin] [spin]

I ward constantly. When I play with other GWJ groups, they ward well. In ranked (Silver 5 atm), warding is hit or miss. When I play with my meat space friends, they never ever f*cking ward and it annoys the piss out of me. I end up buying a stack of wards every back or picking up a sightstone because I can no longer stand not having vision. If the support ever starts the game with 0 wards, it makes me cringe.

I don't have great map awareness, but you can't work on that skill if you have no vision. I also practice map awareness while watching people stream. It's remarkable how much pressure you can apply top lane if you see the jungler near bot and mid in lane. Even if your wards are down, you know you're safe for a bit at least.