Geek Confessions & Blasphemies

II has good combat and it's nice seeing lil' Anni being corrupted. Plus it's in II that the whole Palpatine manipulating the universe to his benefit really becomes clear.

dhelor wrote:
SpacePPoliceman wrote:

And Han accidentally kills him, which is hilarious when you're a kid...right?

Spoiler:

The Dark Horse Comics' Dark Empire series describes his escape from the sarlacc pit. There's also a short story in the anthology Tales from Jabba's Palace that describes him escaping as well. AND he's alive in the Legacy of the Force series of novels, in which he's approached by Jaina Solo to train her so she can fight her corrupted brother Jacen. This is set forty years after the Battle of Yevon.

In the DVD commentary on (some edition or other of) Return of the Jedi, George Lucas says that he regrets killing off Boba Fett so lightly, because he hadn't realised what an iconic character he would become. He says he considered adding a scene to ROTJ showing Boba climbing out of the pit after everyone else left, and then adds that the only reason he didn't put it in was that all the fans were already convinced he had survived anyway.

PS. Can't remember whether this has already been mentioned here, but I'd like to bring Star Wars: Machete Order to everyone's attention.

CaptainCrowbar wrote:

Star Wars: Machete Order

OMG How did I not know about that?! Total win!

Keithustus wrote:
CaptainCrowbar wrote:

Star Wars: Machete Order

OMG How did I not know about that?! Total win!

That sounds fantastic! Now to find a friend who hasn't seen Star Wars yet (or to wait until my daughter is old enough to watch them).

BunbyHeri wrote:
Keithustus wrote:
CaptainCrowbar wrote:

Star Wars: Machete Order

OMG How did I not know about that?! Total win!

That sounds fantastic! Now to find a friend who hasn't seen Star Wars yet (or to wait until my daughter is old enough to watch them).

posting in the other thread[/url]]
I've come around to accepting that Star Wars has six movies:
4. Star Wars/A New Hope
5. The Empire Strikes Back
2. Attack of the Clones
2B. Genndy Tartakovsky's Clone Wars
3. Revenge of the Sith
6. Return of the Jedi.

BunbyHeri wrote:
Keithustus wrote:
CaptainCrowbar wrote:

Star Wars: Machete Order

OMG How did I not know about that?! Total win!

That sounds fantastic! Now to find a friend who hasn't seen Star Wars yet (or to wait until my daughter is old enough to watch them).

As for introducing young'uns, Scott Hanselman has a good blog post on it.

Scott Hanselman's TL;DR version wrote:
  • Show Star Wars to your kids when you think they can discuss and analyze the themes appropriate. That might be 5, it might be 10. They're your kids.
    • Don't forget you can skip parts.
  • Show them the movie in 20 minute segments and make it a serial adventure rather than a movie.
  • Show the films in "Machete Order" which is episodes 4,5,2,3,6. This maintains surprises while ending on a high note.
    • Yes, episode 1 is hacked out and not shown. You can show it at the end of it all along with the Clone Wars cartoons and bill them as supplemental material.
  • Consider Harmy's Despecialized Version fan edit or the Star Wars: Revisited fan edit.
  • Make the films an event with crafts and discussion of mythology rather than just dumping in on their little brains.

Or-- and here's a wacky thought-- you could just put them on sometime when you feel like watching them yourself, and if your kids are interested in the flashing lights and the pew pew noises, they can watch with you, and if they don't, they can play with Legos instead.

I mean, seriously. I know of no better way to ensure that a kid will always see something as "that old dorky thing that Dad likes" than to make a big capital-E Event out of introducing them to it.

hbi2k wrote:

Or-- and here's a wacky thought-- you could just put them on sometime when you feel like watching them yourself, and if your kids are interested in the flashing lights and the pew pew noises, they can watch with you, and if they don't, they can play with Legos instead.

I mean, seriously. I know of no better way to ensure that a kid will always see something as "that old dorky thing that Dad likes" than to make a big capital-E Event out of introducing them to it.

At which point, you go play Legos with them. Because legos are awesome.

hbi2k wrote:

Or-- and here's a wacky thought-- you could just put them on sometime when you feel like watching them yourself, and if your kids are interested in the flashing lights and the pew pew noises, they can watch with you, and if they don't, they can play with Legos instead.

I mean, seriously. I know of no better way to ensure that a kid will always see something as "that old dorky thing that Dad likes" than to make a big capital-E Event out of introducing them to it.

Uh, you have obviously forgotten that Star Wars is SACROSCANT and the very apogee of SCIENCE FICTION CINEMA if not MYTHOLOGY ITSELF. How dare you belittle the life-changing IMPORTANCE of the viewing of these MASTERPIECES OF HUMAN ACHIEVEMENT.

Gravey wrote:
hbi2k wrote:

Or-- and here's a wacky thought-- you could just put them on sometime when you feel like watching them yourself, and if your kids are interested in the flashing lights and the pew pew noises, they can watch with you, and if they don't, they can play with Legos instead.

I mean, seriously. I know of no better way to ensure that a kid will always see something as "that old dorky thing that Dad likes" than to make a big capital-E Event out of introducing them to it.

Uh, you have obviously forgotten that Star Wars is SACROSCANT and the very apogee of SCIENCE FICTION CINEMA if not MYTHOLOGY ITSELF. How dare you belittle the life-changing IMPORTANCE of the viewing of these MASTERPIECES OF HUMAN ACHIEVEMENT.

/pushes glasses up on his nose

Uhm... actually, Star Wars is more Space Fantasy than proper science fiction

ferblave

Garden Ninja wrote:
Gravey wrote:
hbi2k wrote:

Or-- and here's a wacky thought-- you could just put them on sometime when you feel like watching them yourself, and if your kids are interested in the flashing lights and the pew pew noises, they can watch with you, and if they don't, they can play with Legos instead.

I mean, seriously. I know of no better way to ensure that a kid will always see something as "that old dorky thing that Dad likes" than to make a big capital-E Event out of introducing them to it.

Uh, you have obviously forgotten that Star Wars is SACROSCANT and the very apogee of SCIENCE FICTION CINEMA if not MYTHOLOGY ITSELF. How dare you belittle the life-changing IMPORTANCE of the viewing of these MASTERPIECES OF HUMAN ACHIEVEMENT.

/pushes glasses up on his nose

Uhm... actually, Star Wars is more Space Fantasy than proper science fiction

ferblave

I believe the term you are looking for is "Space Opera".

McIrishJihad wrote:
Garden Ninja wrote:
Gravey wrote:
hbi2k wrote:

Or-- and here's a wacky thought-- you could just put them on sometime when you feel like watching them yourself, and if your kids are interested in the flashing lights and the pew pew noises, they can watch with you, and if they don't, they can play with Legos instead.

I mean, seriously. I know of no better way to ensure that a kid will always see something as "that old dorky thing that Dad likes" than to make a big capital-E Event out of introducing them to it.

Uh, you have obviously forgotten that Star Wars is SACROSCANT and the very apogee of SCIENCE FICTION CINEMA if not MYTHOLOGY ITSELF. How dare you belittle the life-changing IMPORTANCE of the viewing of these MASTERPIECES OF HUMAN ACHIEVEMENT.

/pushes glasses up on his nose

Uhm... actually, Star Wars is more Space Fantasy than proper science fiction

ferblave

I believe the term you are looking for is "Space Opera". :D

But there's no fat chicks in horned helmets. Unless you count Lucas himself.

dhelor wrote:
McIrishJihad wrote:
Garden Ninja wrote:
Gravey wrote:
hbi2k wrote:

Or-- and here's a wacky thought-- you could just put them on sometime when you feel like watching them yourself, and if your kids are interested in the flashing lights and the pew pew noises, they can watch with you, and if they don't, they can play with Legos instead.

I mean, seriously. I know of no better way to ensure that a kid will always see something as "that old dorky thing that Dad likes" than to make a big capital-E Event out of introducing them to it.

Uh, you have obviously forgotten that Star Wars is SACROSCANT and the very apogee of SCIENCE FICTION CINEMA if not MYTHOLOGY ITSELF. How dare you belittle the life-changing IMPORTANCE of the viewing of these MASTERPIECES OF HUMAN ACHIEVEMENT.

/pushes glasses up on his nose

Uhm... actually, Star Wars is more Space Fantasy than proper science fiction

ferblave

I believe the term you are looking for is "Space Opera". :D

But there's no fat chicks in horned helmets. Unless you count Lucas himself.

And now I'm imagining Bugs Bunny and Elmer Fudd reenacting Star Wars with Ride of the Valkyries as the background music. It is bizarre and awesome.

Great suggestions, thanks! (and thanks for mentioning the other thread, too, Gremlin!)

Garden Ninja wrote:
dhelor wrote:
McIrishJihad wrote:
Garden Ninja wrote:
Gravey wrote:
hbi2k wrote:

Or-- and here's a wacky thought-- you could just put them on sometime when you feel like watching them yourself, and if your kids are interested in the flashing lights and the pew pew noises, they can watch with you, and if they don't, they can play with Legos instead.

I mean, seriously. I know of no better way to ensure that a kid will always see something as "that old dorky thing that Dad likes" than to make a big capital-E Event out of introducing them to it.

Uh, you have obviously forgotten that Star Wars is SACROSCANT and the very apogee of SCIENCE FICTION CINEMA if not MYTHOLOGY ITSELF. How dare you belittle the life-changing IMPORTANCE of the viewing of these MASTERPIECES OF HUMAN ACHIEVEMENT.

/pushes glasses up on his nose

Uhm... actually, Star Wars is more Space Fantasy than proper science fiction

ferblave

I believe the term you are looking for is "Space Opera". :D

But there's no fat chicks in horned helmets. Unless you count Lucas himself.

And now I'm imagining Bugs Bunny and Elmer Fudd reenacting Star Wars with Ride of the Valkyries as the background music. It is bizarre and awesome.

Kiww the Jedi, kiww the Jedi kiww the JED-I, kiww the JEEEDDDIIIII!

You want to know how I was introduced to Star Wars? Random channel flipping on cable TV in the 90's while I was in middle school or something. I learned to love it all on my own. Once I knew about it that way, I tended to actively seek it out. I didn't have anyone around me talking about it and for a while I didn't even really know it was a trilogy.

In the past 5 years, I've spent at least $8,792.00 on LEGO's.

Currently I own about 570 complete sets. I do count an entire Minifigure Series (16 Figures) as one set.

174 of those were bought before 1997.

I keep a list on my phone to avoid duplicates.

I won't let my kids play with them since I fear they will lose parts.

PRG013 I think you need to change your Location on your avatar to "Drowning in LEGO"

Garden Ninja wrote:
hbi2k wrote:

Or-- and here's a wacky thought-- you could just put them on sometime when you feel like watching them yourself, and if your kids are interested in the flashing lights and the pew pew noises, they can watch with you, and if they don't, they can play with Legos instead.

I mean, seriously. I know of no better way to ensure that a kid will always see something as "that old dorky thing that Dad likes" than to make a big capital-E Event out of introducing them to it.

At which point, you go play Legos with them. Because legos are awesome.

And after you get bored playing with Legos, you could go play Lego Star Wars.

gore wrote:

And after you get bored playing with Legos, you could go play Lego Star Wars.

That game is awesome.

Gravey wrote:

Uh, you have obviously forgotten that Star Wars is SACROSCANT and the very apogee of SCIENCE FICTION CINEMA if not MYTHOLOGY ITSELF. How dare you belittle the life-changing IMPORTANCE of the viewing of these MASTERPIECES OF HUMAN ACHIEVEMENT.

This makes me realize that once my pending kids are old enough to appreciate Star Wars/Trek, it will only be a few years before I can likewise show them Der Ring des Nibelungen, since it's by far a higher apogee of human achievement, if not the highest(?).

PRG013 wrote:

In the past 5 years, I've spent at least $8,792.00 on LEGO's.

Currently I own about 570 complete sets. I do count an entire Minifigure Series (16 Figures) as one set.

174 of those were bought before 1997.

I keep a list on my phone to avoid duplicates.

I won't let my kids play with them since I fear they will lose parts.

So then, this is you?

IMAGE(http://i.imgur.com/eqFh4F5.jpg)

Source

Jayhawker wrote:

Of course, I'm always aware of hbi2K's point that many, many times, if I recommend something it gets shot down. If she were to discover Quantum Leap, she'd love it. If I try to get her to watch it on Netflix, she would hate it.

Your daughter sounds like my Dad.

Though on rare occasion he'll enjoy something I bring into the home. He enjoys Invader Zim (which still blows my mind) and Firefly. But he will never stop making fun of Buffy or Angel even though we explain it is by the same guy.

And yet he'll watch Warehouse 13.

*Flees potential flamethrowers*

mrtomaytohead wrote:

You want to know how I was introduced to Star Wars? Random channel flipping on cable TV in the 90's while I was in middle school or something. I learned to love it all on my own. Once I knew about it that way, I tended to actively seek it out. I didn't have anyone around me talking about it and for a while I didn't even really know it was a trilogy.

My daughter has a pretty cool intro to Star Wars story, even if it implies my failure to be the one to expose it to her. Of course, I'm always aware of hbi2K's point that many, many times, if I recommend something it gets shot down. If she were to discover Quantum Leap, she'd love it. If I try to get her to watch it on Netflix, she would hate it.

But my daughter had this great baby sitter, Lucy, when she was 6 or so. Around this time I was playing and watching a lot of poker, and my daughter decided she wanted to teach Lucy to play Texas Hold'em. She was having trouble explaining the rules, so she remembered that they explained the rules at the beginning of every Celebrity Poker Showdown, so she turned to Tivo to tech Lucy the rules.

As it so happened, Carrie Fisher was on this episode (BTW, if you love to hate on Creed, this is a fun episode to watch. Epecially if you go to the third part next). Lucy asked Jordan if she recognized her, and was aghast when Jordan said she had never seen Star Wars. She rectified this by taking Jordan down to her house where they began watching the original trilogy. She was even awesome enough to let Jordan know that the prequels were awful.

So Jordan then proceeded to "introduce" the trilogy to my wife and me. She's a good geek girl that way.

ccesarano wrote:

Though on rare occasion he'll enjoy something I bring into the home. He enjoys Invader Zim (which still blows my mind) and Firefly. But he will never stop making fun of Buffy or Angel even though we explain it is by the same guy.

So you're saying your dad enjoys the quality products that Joss Whedon's made and makes fun of the sh*tty series that somehow still have rabid cult followings? And yet can enjoy good camp such as Warehouse 13.

Sounds like your dad has good taste.

bnpederson wrote:
ccesarano wrote:

Though on rare occasion he'll enjoy something I bring into the home. He enjoys Invader Zim (which still blows my mind) and Firefly. But he will never stop making fun of Buffy or Angel even though we explain it is by the same guy.

So you're saying your dad enjoys the quality products that Joss Whedon's made and makes fun of the sh*tty series that somehow still have rabid cult followings? And yet can enjoy good camp such as Warehouse 13.

Sounds like your dad has good taste.

We actually like Zim, Firefly, and Warehouse 13, but don't care for Buffy and Angel, too!

Right now my wife and daughter are seriously binging on Dr. Who, which I like, but 3-5 episodes a day like. When I first tried to get Jordan to watch it, she poo poked it. But then some of her friends raved it she is suddenly the biggest Dr. Who fan ever.

The other show I think she will like, but refuses to watch is My So Called Life.

I've tried watching Buffy and Angel but I could never see what the cult sees in them. Some Buffy episodes are inventive, but carry on the joke for too long in too same a manner for it to remain funny.

Watched Serenity. Mildly annoyed.

I like Star Wars well enough, but then I like campy soap operas in general, and Korean/Mexican telenovelas and Japanese romance manga in particular. The "opera" in "Space Opera" referring to Star Wars refers to soap operas, not actual operas. It's possibly more informative to call these movies "Grey's Anatomy in Space," since formal soap operas have declined in the US since 2000 and many young kids probably wouldn't get the reference.

Just for fun I checked on Wiktionary:

From soap + opera: soap from the soap and detergent commercials originally broadcast during the shows, which were aimed at women who were cleaning their house at the time of viewing; opera from the melodramatic character of the shows.
Keithustus wrote:

Just for fun I checked on Wiktionary:

From soap + opera: soap from the soap and detergent commercials originally broadcast during the shows, which were aimed at women who were cleaning their house at the time of viewing; opera from the melodramatic character of the shows.

So it's a Space Opera because it has all of those advertisements for space.

Man, the Tatooine tourism board should've thought twice before sponsoring this stuff. "You come for the wretched hive of scum and villainy, you stay to be slowly digested over a thousand years!"

CaptainCrowbar wrote:

In the DVD commentary on (some edition or other of) Return of the Jedi, George Lucas says that he regrets killing off Boba Fett so lightly, because he hadn't realised what an iconic character he would become.

This is particularly ironic in light of his treatment of Darth Maul, a character that by all appearances was created to be iconic.