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Mr Crinkle wrote:

Jungling without Smite is essentially like having Dyni as your jungler. You are only able to pursue map objectives when the enemy team has just been aced or is guaranteed to be nowhere nearby at the time of the kill. This is bad.

But you guys keep letting him jungle.

I was going to try this with Cho to offset the loss of that damage burst. My main concern is how slow his start will be without smite. He'd need to get some early kills off of his gank or fall behind a ton. Chances are the risk is too big but I'll give it a shot.

Cho's ult has windup, you can smite steal him in the interim.

We let him jungle because he is very loud, and frightening. Also because he is an excellent ganker with good map awareness. Most of our junglers, myself included, don't gank frequently enough.

Even with Cho, your R only maxes out at 650 base damage. Level 18 Smite is 1000 damage. Your R will always lag behind Smite damage, at every level, unless you have a ton of AP. You will get Baron/dragon stolen if facing a competent enemy jungler with a ward.

No, Cho R does 1000 base true damage to monsters out the gate.

Mr Crinkle wrote:

We let him jungle because he is very loud, and frightening. Also because he is an excellent ganker with good map awareness. Most of our junglers, myself included, don't gank frequently enough.

Even with Cho, your R only maxes out at 650 base damage. Level 18 Smite is 1000 damage. Your R will always lag behind Smite damage, at every level, unless you have a ton of AP. You will get Baron/dragon stolen if facing a competent enemy jungler with a ward.

I would like to note that nunu's consume goes from 500 to 900, though no one really rushes his consume in the jungle. Adding AP to it only increase how much is healed not how much damage it does.

For this reason i think nunu is the only jungler who might be possible to go without smite, but doing so would kinda nerf you ganking potential as his ice ball is the first thing to max on jungle nunu so your ganks are worth while. Consume with smite though can give you very good clear times and if you have your runes and mastery pages set up for it you can possibly do a smiteless blue pretty easily and then go smite red and get an early lvl 3 gank off without forcing your lanes to have to stay an extra long time to help give you smiteless.

carrotpanic wrote:

No, Cho R does 1000 base true damage to monsters out the gate.

Interesante! So you could, in theory, go without Smite as long as you had good timing and your team refrained from bursting as baron/dragon got low. Seems possible. Though I'd rather just take Smite and be able to guarantee getting it by initiating my combo at just over 2k HP or whatever Feast+Smite added up to at my level. That'll screw up sneaky ol' Lee Sin's timing.

When it comes to getting the baron/dragon, you really want things to be as idiot-proof as possible. Those objectives frequently see a team fight ongoing nearby, or getting ready to happen, and the fewer things that can go wrong with the kill, the better. Also bear in mind that, even on Cho/Nunu, having two sources of big creep damage is highly useful. It lets you sneak dragons, steal buffs, and counter-jungle more quickly, before the enemy team can arrive. Notice how quickly things fall when the jungler has Wriggles and good attack speed? Same deal.

You can also read up on some strats for Nunu that revolve around extremely early solo dragon kills with Smite.

carrotpanic wrote:

No, Cho R does 1000 base true damage to monsters out the gate.

Dammit, the one other person who plays Cho beat me to it. I wanted to correct Crinkle and I was going to be much more snarky about it.

Edit: one interesting point I will make is that you can smite during Cho's feast animation. So you hit R, then smite, then R finishes. It makes it hard to counter smite and you get a stack from killing with R to boot.

Most importantly:

Koz wrote:

you can smite during Cho's feast any animation

No matter now nice they are, Feast and Consume will never be as awesome as a drive-by smite from an ulting Nocturne.

You can also smite while stunned.

Koz wrote:

You can also smite while stunned.

But not suppressed. I'm suppressed a lot...

Help help, Dyni's being suppressed.

QSS FTW

Jow wrote:

QSS FTW

Tagging time?

stream of consciousness:

some awful games last night. Jarvan/Leona bot lane is just dumb. One of the many reasons I play Malz so much is that he pretty much neuters Katarina, who's been a popular faceroll pick for a while now. Had this matchup again last night and killed her so many times (6 or 7) over the game that she went triple Warmog's in order to avoid facemelt. She had 16 deaths for the game, which is normally a deathknell for anyone, but the problem was she roamed frequently and bot lane was oblivious with no warding at all and fed her hard, so she ended up with 19 kills. Story of my (LOL) life lately.

edit: i missed the tag thing and i must admit i have no idea what that's about. What do I do now?

Post about how awesome I am in your tagging thread. In fact post it in all the threads.

Look in and check out tagging ideas until you see one you like or get a good idea of your own. Then email it to Certis.

Jow wrote:

i missed the tag thing and i must admit i have no idea what that's about. What do I do now? :)

I waited for someone else to do the honors, but no one did. People will suggest stuff here, then you pick one and PM it to Certis.

sweet, this should be fun. Thanks.

psoplayer wrote:
Jow wrote:

i missed the tag thing and i must admit i have no idea what that's about. What do I do now? :)

I waited for someone else to do the honors, but no one did. People will suggest stuff here, then you pick one and PM it to Certis.

I am beginning to wonder if when your tag comes up, are you going to start your own thread for the new tag? Or will you wait for someone else to start it?

Complex wrote:
psoplayer wrote:
Jow wrote:

i missed the tag thing and i must admit i have no idea what that's about. What do I do now? :)

I waited for someone else to do the honors, but no one did. People will suggest stuff here, then you pick one and PM it to Certis.

I am beginning to wonder if when your tag comes up, are you going to start your own thread for the new tag? Or will you wait for someone else to start it?

Well if you guys are big enough jerks to not even bother for two days after someone else had already pointed it out... Who better than me?

psoplayer wrote:
Complex wrote:
psoplayer wrote:
Jow wrote:

i missed the tag thing and i must admit i have no idea what that's about. What do I do now? :)

I waited for someone else to do the honors, but no one did. People will suggest stuff here, then you pick one and PM it to Certis.

I am beginning to wonder if when your tag comes up, are you going to start your own thread for the new tag? Or will you wait for someone else to start it?

Well if you guys are big enough jerks to not even bother for two days after someone else had already pointed it out... Who better than me?

create a thread?
I don't create threads, I degrade them with my presence!

Complex wrote:

create a thread?
I don't create threads, I degrade them with my presence!

I created a thread once. It dies after five posts. Now I just live to see threads die.

Eh, I make threads with 4k posts, but never go back to monitor them.

Complex wrote:
psoplayer wrote:
Complex wrote:
psoplayer wrote:
Jow wrote:

i missed the tag thing and i must admit i have no idea what that's about. What do I do now? :)

I waited for someone else to do the honors, but no one did. People will suggest stuff here, then you pick one and PM it to Certis.

I am beginning to wonder if when your tag comes up, are you going to start your own thread for the new tag? Or will you wait for someone else to start it?

Well if you guys are big enough jerks to not even bother for two days after someone else had already pointed it out... Who better than me?

create a thread?
I don't create threads, I degrade them with my presence!

Cue evil laugh?

IntangibleFate wrote:
Complex wrote:
psoplayer wrote:
Complex wrote:
psoplayer wrote:
Jow wrote:

i missed the tag thing and i must admit i have no idea what that's about. What do I do now? :)

I waited for someone else to do the honors, but no one did. People will suggest stuff here, then you pick one and PM it to Certis.

I am beginning to wonder if when your tag comes up, are you going to start your own thread for the new tag? Or will you wait for someone else to start it?

Well if you guys are big enough jerks to not even bother for two days after someone else had already pointed it out... Who better than me?

create a thread?
I don't create threads, I degrade them with my presence!

Cue evil laugh?

Aww, you guys know me so well.
Hmm, maybe that should of been my tag. (cue evil laugh)

Too late! Count it!

Pretty interesting article on lolking about gameplay patterns over the last few weeks:

http://www.lolking.net/news/champion...

AP Trynd is of course silly, but looks like the Olaf nerfs really screwed da pooch.

Poor Yi.

What happened to Riven? She drop for any nerfs? Or is it just the surge in other champs beating her?

Riven's ult CD got nerfed in mid January. She's been missing from the game ever since.

Her base health regen also got nerfed into the ground.

Thank god AP trynd will disappear next patch.

Two words. Rammus. Thornmail.