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psoplayer wrote:

Sometimes I really lament our inability to play a custom game on an old patch. I want to go back and experience the absurdity of Heimer creep pooling, Gangplank hyperviability, Five-man ward/teleport mid-tower grab by 1:30, locket Udyr, and Rammus jungle. What patch would you return to?

I really miss when Mundo's Cleaver scaled with AP. You could really harass and dominate a lane.

Guys, whatever you do, DON'T BUILD ATHENES ON POPPY.

FedoraMcQuaid wrote:

Jimmy's midPoopy is basically god (as long as you give enough pressure)

I see what you did there, Mr. Poopface.

IMO, mid is the only place to play Poppy anymore. Top is just too long of a lane and it's too easy to gank her pre-6 and deny her farm. There are SO MANY counters to her in top lane because Bruisers are so effective against her. They can eat her Q harass and out-trade her because their abilites/attacks don't proc her passive. The changes to Arpen and the popularity of Brutalizer makes toplane an even more dangerous place for her.

Mid is a short lane and it's much easier for her to get farm there. Additionally, most midlane champs have bad early games when compared to the bruisers you see up top. They also often have more bursty kits, which will proc her passive more often and allow for favorable trades.

The problem with Poppy mid is not her ability to trade or her melee-ness or her lack of kill potential. The main problem is that she cannot push for sh*t. She gets outpushed by almost all midlaners and struggles to stop them from roaming. She also can't roam without giving up her precious farm/tower.

Poppy sucks, but she sucks least in mid. and if you get TriForce by 15 minutes, then it's GG for the other team. No one zones/kills carries like Poppy, not even Olaf.

What about Poppy out of the jungle?

Played against a Poppy Last week that did great up top. Of course our top had no clue how to position in lane, and kept trying to hide in the bushes, letting her body slam him to death.

kaostheory wrote:

What about Poppy out of the jungle?

Not enough farm and her clear speeds are really terrible. You have to snowball out of control with ganks to have a chance and her ganks are only average pre-6. There are better jungle options for snowbally assassins like Eve or Shaco.

So I have been playing LoL a lot the last few weeks....recently things haven't been going well...

http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/2...

I don't feel like i am doing horribly, and I feel like a lot of those deaths are after the game is "over." Generally (except for 2-3 of those games) I come out of lane at least decently.

The crappiest one was the game I went 7/5/10 with Olaf. I came out of lane (1v2 Nid and Garen) with more CS than the two of them combined, and 3-0.....but Talon was already 12-1 (ended up like 29/6 or something crazy like that). We were even coming back, but I was the only one who could survive Talon's burst and he got smart enough to not even attack me after awhile.

_Free_ wrote:
kaostheory wrote:

What about Poppy out of the jungle?

Not enough farm and her clear speeds are really terrible. You have to snowball out of control with ganks to have a chance and her ganks are only average pre-6. There are better jungle options for snowbally assassins like Eve or Shaco.

poppy support with vayne.

Kamakazi010654 wrote:

So I have been playing LoL a lot the last few weeks....recently things haven't been going well...

http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/2...

I don't feel like i am doing horribly, and I feel like a lot of those deaths are after the game is "over." Generally (except for 2-3 of those games) I come out of lane at least decently.

The crappiest one was the game I went 7/5/10 with Olaf. I came out of lane (1v2 Nid and Garen) with more CS than the two of them combined, and 3-0.....but Talon was already 12-1 (ended up like 29/6 or something crazy like that). We were even coming back, but I was the only one who could survive Talon's burst and he got smart enough to not even attack me after awhile.

I wouldn't build Berserkers Greaves on Olaf ever. Ninja Tabis are REALLY strong in lane against AD Bruisers and Mercs are still really good on Olaf. His ult doesn't last that long so the Tenacity is still good when your ult isn't active.

I also don't love Sunfire on Olaf. You should be focusing harder on CDR early in addition to Warmogs. Build a Kindlegem early. It's a great item and has awesome build paths for Olaf (Shurelias, Locket are awesome and Spirit Visage is pretty good if you're facing dual APs and/or you didn't get Mercs). Honestly, Tabis/Locket should give you plenty of armor until you get to lategame items like Randuins. Skip the Sunfire.

Black Cleaver is good on Olaf too and is usually the only damage item on build on him (aside from a stray Maw from time to time). His Q procs the BC passive to all targets you hit with it. In teamfights, you can reduce a lot of armor in a hurry. Rushing Brutalizer if you're ahead can be a great call.

I know you didn't ask, but that's my advice as an avid Olaf player.

Complex wrote:

poppy support with vayne.

sh*t is OP. riot pls.

_Free_ wrote:
Complex wrote:

poppy support with vayne.

sh*t is OP. riot pls.

I feel so ashamed, I just found out that poppy stun works with minions (hit into minions instead of into wall). It doesn't give double damage from what I read, but the stun is nice. I was wondering how you would do a mid poppy before I read that. Now I can see how you can use minions to stun them while jungler comes in for more cc and damage, or just stun and kill alone. It's interesting how she might be one of the few champs in season 3 where a warmogs might hurt more than help. Though thinking about it, warmogs could still kinda work on her when she is half health or less.

I want to play poppy now.

_Free_ wrote:
Kamakazi010654 wrote:

So I have been playing LoL a lot the last few weeks....recently things haven't been going well...

http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/2...

I don't feel like i am doing horribly, and I feel like a lot of those deaths are after the game is "over." Generally (except for 2-3 of those games) I come out of lane at least decently.

The crappiest one was the game I went 7/5/10 with Olaf. I came out of lane (1v2 Nid and Garen) with more CS than the two of them combined, and 3-0.....but Talon was already 12-1 (ended up like 29/6 or something crazy like that). We were even coming back, but I was the only one who could survive Talon's burst and he got smart enough to not even attack me after awhile.

I wouldn't build Berserkers Greaves on Olaf ever. Ninja Tabis are REALLY strong in lane against AD Bruisers and Mercs are still really good on Olaf. His ult doesn't last that long so the Tenacity is still good when your ult isn't active.

I also don't love Sunfire on Olaf. You should be focusing harder on CDR early in addition to Warmogs. Build a Kindlegem early. It's a great item and has awesome build paths for Olaf (Shurelias, Locket are awesome and Spirit Visage is pretty good if you're facing dual APs and/or you didn't get Mercs). Honestly, Tabis/Locket should give you plenty of armor until you get to lategame items like Randuins. Skip the Sunfire.

Black Cleaver is good on Olaf too and is usually the only damage item on build on him (aside from a stray Maw from time to time). His Q procs the BC passive to all targets you hit with it. In teamfights, you can reduce a lot of armor in a hurry. Rushing Brutalizer if you're ahead can be a great call.

I know you didn't ask, but that's my advice as an avid Olaf player.

Hmm didn't consider going locket. That doesn't seem to have it on lolking but last week I was doing Warmogs->Brutelizer->tabi and it was working okay.

I also seem to actually do better in 1v2 scenarios for the most part, I think it is a combination of always being under tower and also the other 2 underestimating how much burst Olaf can have (I level his E first).

Kamakazi010654 wrote:

Hmm didn't consider going locket. That doesn't seem to have it on lolking but last week I was doing Warmogs->Brutelizer->tabi and it was working okay.

Locket is a really really strong item ATM, especially in midgame. Shurelias is great as it allows your team to easier follow up on your inevitable dives.

Lolking is useful for tips and tricks, but item builds are often poorly thought-out in most guides.

Complex wrote:
_Free_ wrote:
Complex wrote:

poppy support with vayne.

sh*t is OP. riot pls.

I feel so ashamed, I just found out that poppy stun works with minions (hit into minions instead of into wall). It doesn't give double damage from what I read, but the stun is nice. I was wondering how you would do a mid poppy before I read that. Now I can see how you can use minions to stun them while jungler comes in for more cc and damage, or just stun and kill alone. It's interesting how she might be one of the few champs in season 3 where a warmogs might hurt more than help. Though thinking about it, warmogs could still kinda work on her when she is half health or less.

I want to play poppy now.

Warmogs is awful on Poppy. In fact, there are certain thresholds of HP where you actually take MORE damage when you build more health depending on the incoming damage. Her kit is clear: build damage and resistances.

TriForce is just too good not to rush on her. It's cheaper now and the nerfs didn't affect her (slow % remains the same since she's melee).

After that you have some options. I still prefer Gunblade second, follow by Thormail/Guardians. But the new DFG is really good on her as well. It depends on who you're facing. If you're facing a super slippery AD carry like Vayne or Ez, I prefer Gunblade because the active makes them easier to catch. If it's an Draven/MF though, DFG can be great as they won't be able to easily escape. R-->DFG-->E-->Q = dead carry unless they rushed QSS. You don't even need the E stun, although it helps.

After TriForce and Gunblade/DFG, you should just build resists unless they have a billion MR (then get Void). Thornmail is great as you'll likely be diving an auto-attacker and the passive benefits from your Mpen runes/masteries. GA is good, Abyssal works too as does Zhonyas.

For boots, 9/10 times i get Mercs for the Tenacity and b/c it's hard to itemize MR on Poppy.

_Free_ wrote:
Complex wrote:
_Free_ wrote:
Complex wrote:

poppy support with vayne.

sh*t is OP. riot pls.

I feel so ashamed, I just found out that poppy stun works with minions (hit into minions instead of into wall). It doesn't give double damage from what I read, but the stun is nice. I was wondering how you would do a mid poppy before I read that. Now I can see how you can use minions to stun them while jungler comes in for more cc and damage, or just stun and kill alone. It's interesting how she might be one of the few champs in season 3 where a warmogs might hurt more than help. Though thinking about it, warmogs could still kinda work on her when she is half health or less.

I want to play poppy now.

Warmogs is awful on Poppy. In fact, there are certain thresholds of HP where you actually take MORE damage when you build more health depending on the incoming damage. Her kit is clear: build damage and resistances.

TriForce is just too good not to rush on her. It's cheaper now and the nerfs didn't affect her (slow % remains the same since she's melee).

After that you have some options. I still prefer Gunblade second, follow by Thormail/Guardians. But the new DFG is really good on her as well. It depends on who you're facing. If you're facing a super slippery AD carry like Vayne or Ez, I prefer Gunblade because the active makes them easier to catch. If it's an Draven/MF though, DFG can be great as she won't be able to easily escape. R-->DFG-->E-->Q = dead carry unless they rushed QSS. You don't even need the E stun, although it helps.

After TriForce and Gunblade/DFG, you should just build resists unless they have a billion MR (then get Void). Thornmail is great as you'll like be diving an auto-attacker and the passive benefits from your Mpen runes/masteries. GA is good, Abyssal works too as does Zhonyas.

For boots, 9/10 times i get Mercs for the Tenacity and b/c it's hard to itemize MR on Poppy.

I have seen more ad builds on her come into popularity.

_Free_ wrote:

Lolking is useful for tips and tricks, but item builds are often poorly thought-out in most guides.

Yeah I use lolking for skin viewer and checking out summoner stats of my terrible teammates sometimes.

For builds, mobafire or solomid.

Just do what I do build items impulsively and then change your mind 3 times throughout a game.

FedoraMcQuaid wrote:

Just do what I do build items impulsively and then change your mind 3 times throughout a game.

also AFK at champ select if you want to go "Full Fedora".

_Free_ wrote:
FedoraMcQuaid wrote:

Just do what I do build items impulsively and then change your mind 3 times throughout a game.

also AFK at champ select if you want to go "Full Fedora".

You never go full fedora.

Complex wrote:

[Ihave seen more ad builds on her come into popularity.

yeah, AD has always been a good option. I prefer the old Spamhappy TF/Gunblade/GA build, but IE/PD can work, esp with the PD passive to prevent creep block when you dive carries.

It's more sustained damage than burst without Sheen and you're more reliant on crit chance. If you're facing a bruiser-heavy team with multiple fed damage sources, this can be preferable to the "blow up one target" build.

The other fun part about AD Poppy is you'll see people build armor in response. Joke's on them: her E is magic and her Q turns all her damage to magic.

_Free_ wrote:
FedoraMcQuaid wrote:

Just do what I do build items impulsively and then change your mind 3 times throughout a game.

also AFK at champ select if you want to go "Full Fedora".

So what is "Full Frontal Fedora"?

Complex wrote:
_Free_ wrote:
Complex wrote:

poppy support with vayne.

sh*t is OP. riot pls.

I feel so ashamed, I just found out that poppy stun works with minions (hit into minions instead of into wall). It doesn't give double damage from what I read, but the stun is nice. I was wondering how you would do a mid poppy before I read that. Now I can see how you can use minions to stun them while jungler comes in for more cc and damage, or just stun and kill alone. It's interesting how she might be one of the few champs in season 3 where a warmogs might hurt more than help. Though thinking about it, warmogs could still kinda work on her when she is half health or less.

I want to play poppy now.

Well, doing more research into it when I got home (ie now) I found that what I read was out dated and was instead considered a bug that they fixed T_T. So poppy only stuns with walls, making me wonder how you would mid poppy without stun? try to ram them into those side walls with speed steroid?

Complex wrote:
Complex wrote:
_Free_ wrote:
Complex wrote:

poppy support with vayne.

sh*t is OP. riot pls.

I feel so ashamed, I just found out that poppy stun works with minions (hit into minions instead of into wall). It doesn't give double damage from what I read, but the stun is nice. I was wondering how you would do a mid poppy before I read that. Now I can see how you can use minions to stun them while jungler comes in for more cc and damage, or just stun and kill alone. It's interesting how she might be one of the few champs in season 3 where a warmogs might hurt more than help. Though thinking about it, warmogs could still kinda work on her when she is half health or less.

I want to play poppy now.

Well, doing more research into it when I got home (ie now) I found that what I read was out dated and was instead considered a bug that they fixed T_T. So poppy only stuns with walls, making me wonder how you would mid poppy without stun? try to ram them into those side walls with speed steroid?

Anivia Jungle.

Kamakazi010654 wrote:

Hmm didn't consider going locket. That doesn't seem to have it on lolking but last week I was doing Warmogs->Brutelizer->tabi and it was working okay.

I also seem to actually do better in 1v2 scenarios for the most part, I think it is a combination of always being under tower and also the other 2 underestimating how much burst Olaf can have (I level his E first).

Usually you'll want Shurelya's instead of locket off your Kindlegem. With Ghost and Shurelya's, you'll always have speed burst available when your ult is up. That speed is essential in order to gap close so you can do your primary job of diving their carry, and also comes in handy during winning team fights, allowing you to turn 3 kills into 5 kills.

Olaf's biggest needs are CDR and health, hence the reason I recommend Ionian boots on him as the default. Merc Treads aren't necessarily a bad choice in some situations, but remember that you'll be using your ult when it's critical that you not be disabled, and with CDR it comes back up quickly. As a general rule, if you ever find yourself taking Merc Treads on a champ simply for the MR, buy other boots and get MR elsewhere.

If the lane is going well enough that you can grab Warmog's and Ionian boots quickly, then you're in business. If not, you decide between Philo Stone, Giant's Belt, and Kindlegem. Philo is good if you're going to have to sit in lane for a long time, won't be able to get kills without jungle assistance, and won't be able to roam. I typically will only pursue Kindlegem first if I was forced to back with less than 1000G due to their jungler coming, but still feel I can get kills in lane.

Randuin's is core on Olaf, and Frozen Mallet is a good choice (particularly now that your Q slow decays). Sixth item is all over the place for Olaf. Sometimes you'll need an early Hexdrinker, but if I think I'm really going to need MR I prefer to go the Spirit Visage route for the big CDR boost and healing bonus. I've had success with BotRK against the recent stacks-o-bruisers comps, but it's a rare choice.

Olaf is very much a front-foot/back-foot hero in lane. His butter zone is levels 2 and 3, when your Q/E combo is incredibly devastating. Against almost any melee without a pull/stun, you should be able to out-trade them at those levels and play extremely aggressively. If you screw up or get jungled and get on the back foot, he's pretty blah in lane. If that happens, level your Q aggressively and use it to farm, and pick up a Philo.

Also, your Q and E need to be on smart cast, and I'm not talking the "oh I use shift+key to smart cast everything" variety (I'm looking at you, whichever of you made that shameful admission the other day).

That would be Black Raven.

Also I think Olaf's win rates are in the garbage after they nerfed him this last time. He's not too strong right now.

What's wrong with the way I smart cast? It works for me, I'm not gonna need that millisecond of cast timing in this elo. Plus I'm too lazy to remap my keys for every game like you are really supposed to.

carrotpanic wrote:

That would be Black Raven.

Also I think Olaf's win rates are in the garbage after they nerfed him this last time. He's not too strong right now.

Yes his win rate is bad right now but that doesn't make him weak. Stop following the pros in everything. Every champ has it's uses and it place. All it currently means it that Olaf is more of a specialized pick.

Shynex wrote:
carrotpanic wrote:

That would be Black Raven.

Also I think Olaf's win rates are in the garbage after they nerfed him this last time. He's not too strong right now.

Yes his win rate is bad right now but that doesn't make him weak. Stop following the pros in everything. Every champ has it's uses and it place. All it currently means it that Olaf is more of a specialized pick.

Yeah, in the same way I just use to always pick Kayle and see what happens I do that with Olaf now, just trying to learn wtf to do against certain champs.

Also thanks everybody for the advice, will try and put some of it into action.

Also, I have never used Smartcast at all (perhaps why I miss those clutch Kayle ults all the time)...honestly I didn't even know it existed....

carrotpanic wrote:

That would be Black Raven.

Also me! I can't be bothered to remap my keys every game.